Livingston v Celtic - Premiership, Sunday 19th September

We need to drop this wing back play and leave us with 4 defenders in there correct place,and if we cant attack with six players it easy to see who is not pulling there weight, all we ask is at least have 4 players in the box when we go on attack when they are defending deep if you are not in there knee deep with them, you get fuck all from goal side of them
Not playing with wing backs lordmac.
Using this inverted full back's, which entails the full back's to come more infield, but exposes more space in behind them to be attacked if we lose possession, especially with the CBs so far apart.
Not a huge fan of it myself and seems to cause plenty of confusion and panic still within the defensive line.
All based upon keeping good possession of the football, yet far to open imo if possession is lost easily
 
Not playing with wing backs lordmac.
Using this inverted full back's, which entails the full back's to come more infield, but exposes more space in behind them to be attacked if we lose possession, especially with the CBs so far apart.
Not a huge fan of it myself and seems to cause plenty of confusion and panic still within the defensive line.
All based upon keeping good possession of the football, yet far to open imo if possession is lost easily
Nail on the head there John, keep possession, passing was poor yesterday and yes the pitch is shite but even 3 or 4 yard passing was going astray.

Ange's formula is a good one imo, but we need the bodies in to do it properly, with 2 decent CB's we would canter this league.
 
Nail on the head there John, keep possession, passing was poor yesterday and yes the pitch is shite but even 3 or 4 yard passing was going astray.

Ange's formula is a good one imo, but we need the bodies in to do it properly, with 2 decent CB's we would canter this league.
Don't see the CBs as the biggest problem within the system Ange has opted for myself 50.
More the full back's and the DM /playmaker getting the high press and giving the ball away when so out of position.
Very high risk and gets you playing very attack minded football and very enjoyable to watch when it works out.
Playing a defensive minded 5 across the midfield, left no room or space for us to exploit, but plenty for the opposition.
I can see many teams, using that approach against now, and if new ideas don't start coming up then a long hard slog awaits in potentially many games especially away from home.
 
The problem as I see it, we're too light weight. We don't have a player who can win the ball back when we lose it. I mean, it shouldn't be that hard. Isn't this why we signed McCarthy? Rogic and Turnbull don't tackle. Neither does Jota, abada, it's a joke. Where's the ball winners?
 
Don't see the CBs as the biggest problem within the system Ange has opted for myself 50.
More the full back's and the DM /playmaker getting the high press and giving the ball away when so out of position.
Very high risk and gets you playing very attack minded football and very enjoyable to watch when it works out.
Playing a defensive minded 5 across the midfield, left no room or space for us to exploit, but plenty for the opposition.
I can see many teams, using that approach against now, and if new ideas don't start coming up then a long hard slog awaits in potentially many games especially away from home.
I agree with you John, however having 2 CB's of quality would stop some of the stupid kid style defending, but as I said keeping or more importantly I suppose not giving the ball away needlessly would be a step in the right direction.
 
The problem as I see it, we're too light weight. We don't have a player who can win the ball back when we lose it. I mean, it shouldn't be that hard. Isn't this why we signed McCarthy? Rogic and Turnbull don't tackle. Neither does Jota, abada, it's a joke. Where's the ball winners?
Lot of people are looking at us been light weight brim.
Not buying into that whatsoever in the style of play Ange has opted for.
Using 5 attack minded players, trying to press and playing off forced errors, can't be a man mountain when pace is your main weapon in an attacking sense.
Force a team to go long and have the strength in the defensive 5 to recycle the ball again.
In theory sounds grand but when the space available is been attacked by speed against us then is leading to problems.
So getting the right balance remains the key, but would need very pacey CB to improve on the current system of play imo, something I'm yet to see with us.
 
The fact is when you have 75 % possession, camped in the opposition's half, away from home......and good enough to sustain it for the full 90 mins, then the goals should be raining in.

The guys in the front line must be hitting the target FAR more accurately and FAR more often. If not then they are not good enough or the manager's instructions are not getting through to them.

Either way, no-one can argue against the reality that the opposition scored ONLY one goal with a quarter of the possession.
The tactics we applied were poor and Ange is getting more wrong than right.....
Notwithstanding that, I think if we can sort this out before Christmas and he comes good where we are within reach of the top then we should hold our nerve....... but if by then it is lost to the filth then we should think about getting rid and looking at our options.

It is never too early to change direction if all is not well....Lennon is a good example of that.

BTW.......What the hell is Jullienne up to.....My sister had a complete knee porcelain rebuild back in the eighties after a skiing accident and was back running half marathons within 7 months..

Celtic have the best private docs on tap for him and after eleven months he's still not back playing!!! I think this is not good enough, not acceptable and he MUST be at it.
This holiday is over.
He was only half decent in the box with free kicks and corners, an odd goal or two doesn't cut the mustard Chris, you have a week or two left to get back in or get out.
 
but if by then it is lost to the filth then we should think about getting rid and looking at our options.
Good post JC......But....
but if by then it is lost to the filth then we should think about getting rid and looking at our options.
No chance......He'll get there am sure of that.......too much goin on in th backgroond fur my liking....
 
Good post JC......But....

No chance......He'll get there am sure of that.......too much goin on in th backgroond fur my liking....
I love your optimism Len but I'm still hurting from yesterday, and moreso that THEY dropped points that we should have capitalised on.

But, I just don't get how we can score six goals TWICE against far better teams than Livi and not even one with the same domination.

That is worrying moving forward from today.
 
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I love your optimism Len but I'm still hurting from yesterday, and moreso that THEY dropped points that we should have capitalised on.

But, I just don't get how we can score six goals TWICE against far better teams than Livi and not one with the same domination.

That is worrying moving forward from today.
We'll get there.....it will 'come together'.....;) One thing for sure...we need our best players playing every game....

 
But, I just don't get how we can score six goals TWICE against far better teams than Livi and not one with the same domination.

That is worrying moving forward from today.

Maybe this will help: The Livi game is an anomaly, not the norm. The adage "you're only as good as your last game" is complete horseshit -- ask anyone who's ever played the game at any level. Each game has many different variables that may or may not hinder your performance at any given match (at Livi, a 0-0-10 system Livi played, a pitch unfit for a U-11 game let alone pros, their team at pretty much full strength we're missing some key players, etc.).

So you can worry if you want, but I don't think you should. Your call, though.
 
This will all end up in years. How long before people lose faith in Ange. There are already cries of dissatisfaction on the way the team is playing. Imo how long to give it? Two three years? Can we wait that long? I don't know all I know is I want our team to start hitting the heights soon. .
 
The fact is when you have 75 % possession, camped in the opposition's half, away from home......and good enough to sustain it for the full 90 mins, then the goals should be raining in.

The guys in the front line must be hitting the target FAR more accurately and FAR more often. If not then they are not good enough or the manager's instructions are not getting through to them.

Either way, no-one can argue against the reality that the opposition scored ONLY one goal with a quarter of the possession.
The tactics we applied were poor and Ange is getting more wrong than right.....
Notwithstanding that, I think if we can sort this out before Christmas and he comes good where we are within reach of the top then we should hold our nerve....... but if by then it is lost to the filth then we should think about getting rid and looking at our options.

It is never too early to change direction if all is not well....Lennon is a good example of that.

BTW.......What the hell is Jullienne up to.....My sister had a complete knee porcelain rebuild back in the eighties after a skiing accident and was back running half marathons within 7 months..

Celtic have the best private docs on tap for him and after eleven months he's still not back playing!!! I think this is not good enough, not acceptable and he MUST be at it.
This holiday is over.
He was only half decent in the box with free kicks and corners, an odd goal or two doesn't cut the mustard Chris, you have a week or two left to get back in or get out.
HH JC great to hear from you pray everything's alright with you and yours. Great post as usual.
 
HH JC great to hear from you pray everything's alright with you and yours. Great post as usual.
How are you doin' bud?
Hope everyone and everything your way is going grand Ally.

I'm home again after a protracted stay in hospital with a hip op that went pear shaped.
Its going well now but still a few weeks away from getting shot of the crutches and hopefully back to work..... and maybe even get in a game at Paradise.🙏

Had a good old conversation with Dilligaf a few weeks ago which helped a lot and thanks to him I'm well on the mend...... because after a second op opening the whole area up again had left me in a bad place, wondered if I was even going to walk again properly.

I'm still on heavy doses of antibiots though, 'cos my body kept rejecting the canulas and picc lines with constant vein blockages so had it changed to daily Butterfly injections which are getting me there.......slowly.

The Celtic family come together and don't really realise the immense good that they can do.
A kind word, a thoughtful phrase or just get well is enough to help a lot.
...lifts the spirits so to speak.
Its always good to hear from you Ally and thanks for the kind regards.

Stay well my friend and God Bless you.
HH
 
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Maybe this will help: The Livi game is an anomaly, not the norm. The adage "you're only as good as your last game" is complete horseshit -- ask anyone who's ever played the game at any level. Each game has many different variables that may or may not hinder your performance at any given match (at Livi, a 0-0-10 system Livi played, a pitch unfit for a U-11 game let alone pros, their team at pretty much full strength we're missing some key players, etc.).

So you can worry if you want, but I don't think you should. Your call, though.
Appreciated Icafiero, but I sometimes wonder why our players are out injured for several months, Julienne, Forrest, Taylor, Johnston and others over the last 3 years.....yet players at the T hun derdome are often back in a couple of weeks......whats going on?
 
Very disappointing display, but if I'm honest I'm not too surprised. Although our new players have had decent start there's still doubt in my mind as to whether they have what it takes to wear that Jersey. Ange will feel the pressure now for sure. Think I'll do that count to ten thing before saying anything else.
Theres arguments ( always ) to be made for the midweek hangover but this was more than that. We can say they're a bogey team thumped them 6nil at CP havent won there since they were promoted etc and players like juranovic and jota Abada Kyogo forrest julien can change things. Then again that's still Introducing players into the starting XI who have yet to be there. I'm trying to take a realist approach and perspective to this and remember that Ange has been left the sh*t show pieces to pick up. Jota , brilliant in spain ( what a coincidence he's spanish?), Kyogo injured Forrest julien also and McCarthy not up to speed. I can be a realist but it cant continue , if we play a high press like in spain and take a 2 goal lead we have to be clever and not push the high press as much when it's not necessary again for the time being I'll give Ange the benefit of doubt in he doesnt have the players to play his angeball stuff. I like all of us want to see a free flowing cavalier Celtic in their stride but if we don't have the players on the bench or field to turn to , particularly in defence
 
I love your optimism Len but I'm still hurting from yesterday, and moreso that THEY dropped points that we should have capitalised on.

But, I just don't get how we can score six goals TWICE against far better teams than Livi and not even one with the same domination.

That is worrying moving forward from today.
We only have Ajeti who is allergic to movement. Ajeti should not even be a serious question let alone any kind of answer. Don't get me started on McCarthy. Juliette is French so don't expect too much there.
 
Theres arguments ( always ) to be made for the midweek hangover but this was more than that. We can say they're a bogey team thumped them 6nil at CP havent won there since they were promoted etc and players like juranovic and jota Abada Kyogo forrest julien can change things. Then again that's still Introducing players into the starting XI who have yet to be there. I'm trying to take a realist approach and perspective to this and remember that Ange has been left the sh*t show pieces to pick up. Jota , brilliant in spain ( what a coincidence he's spanish?), Kyogo injured Forrest julien also and McCarthy not up to speed. I can be a realist but it cant continue , if we play a high press like in spain and take a 2 goal lead we have to be clever and not push the high press as much when it's not necessary again for the time being I'll give Ange the benefit of doubt in he doesnt have the players to play his angeball stuff. I like all of us want to see a free flowing cavalier Celtic in their stride but if we don't have the players on the bench or field to turn to , particularly in defence
I don't think McCarthy offers anything and the Livi game is a decent indicator. Anyone, ANYONE would have made more of a contribution on Sunday> Luke Shaw would have made a much bigger impact if only for his enthusiasm. Ange is doing himself no favours by trying to befriend people like DD by playing the likes of McCarthy and Ajeti. CELTIC would be better served by the likes of Brookes or others from the academy who will give you movement all day long. Oh and by the way Winter, Jota is PORTUGUESE but I guess all you Welsh people know that Spain and Portugal are different countries.... yeah? 🤪
 
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I don't think McCarthy offers anything and the Livi game is a decent indicator. Anyone, ANYONE would have made more of a contribution on Sunday> Luke Shaw would have made a much bigger impact if only for his enthusiasm. Ange is doing himself no favours by trying to befriend people like DD by playing the likes of McCarthy and Ajeti. CELTIC would be better served by the likes of Brookes or others from the academy who will give you movement all day long. Oh and by the way Winter, Jota is PORTUGUESE but I guess all you Welsh people know that Spain and Portugal are different countries.... yeah? 🤪
Struggling myself to see how Mccarthy is going to be any advantage to us with the way Ange likes to play.
That role at the bottom of a 3 in midfield really sets the whole tempo of your play, and never seen Mccarthy yet play in a fast attacking set up and unsure if he can actually carry out the role with it as your playmaker most of the time, until your targeted with a high press.
Thought he would be used more so in European football or to take the sting out of a game when needing to slow the game down or to see a game out.
Was never his biggest fan as a player and still quite clearly not up to speed still.
Will he be able to adapt? Wouldn't count on it, unless there was a change to the system of play imo.
 

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