May election

kelly said:
part 2

If, as Olsen says, the future level of oil demand is coming into question as governments address the issue of combatting climate change, forecast production levels at Johan Sverdrup would seem to indicate that it’s all right to export the stuff so long as you don’t use it at home. As one commentator said: “Norway appears to have cleaned up its act, but it’s just a case of ‘drug user turned drug dealer’.”
With today’s ultra-low interest rates and tumbling stock markets brought about by the Covid-19 heath crisis, there seems plenty of room left for a U-turn as Norway is faced with the prospect of reining in public spending from its economically stagnating – albeit temporarily – sovereign wealth fund.
Meanwhile, Britain’s domestic energy mix has a far higher dependency on oil than Norway’s. According to the UK government Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy, “over half of the UK’s electricity comes from clean sources including wind and solar energy. However, oil and natural gas are still required for heating, cooking and transport, and vital to the production of many everyday essentials like medicines, plastics, cosmetics and household appliances.” The statement goes on to admit that this scenario “is likely to remain the case over the coming decades as the UK transitions to low-carbon solutions”.
Speaking at the launch of a government review aiming to ‘lead the way on tackling climate change’ Business and Energy Secretary Alok Sharma said that the oil and gas sector “will continue to be needed for the foreseeable future as we move toward net-zero carbon emissions by 2050”.
As with Norway, the UK’s much trumpeted intention to clean up its act at home is highly visible in any amount of government publications, strategy documents, news conferences and white papers. The fact remains that despite the stated commitment to zero carbon emissions by 2050, i
body Oil and Gas UK (OGUK) predicts that oil and gas will still provide two-thirds of total primary energy by 2035.

The picture is further confused by the recent closure of mature North Sea fields and massive falls in oil prices in the wake of Covid-19 – in April, US oil futures actually went negative for the first time in history, with the result that producers were effectively paying people to take it off their hands. OGUK said this would mean “more insolvencies and consolidations in the market”, in a sector worth £12bn and supporting over a quarter of a million jobs in the UK. For now it’s pinning its hopes on a government North Sea Transition Deal.
n 2020 the UK became a net exporter of oil for the first time in 15 years, while industry
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A good read that Kelly...
 
Frank Owen said:
Hi Hoopy, I think I've answered on another post regarding being lied to. As for the SNP keeping going until they get independence that's no different from any political party keeping going in their pursuit of their goal. The ONLY thing that can bring independence is the will of the Scottish people. I definitely don't agree with you as regards the leave/remain vote. Scotland was told the ONLY way to stay as member of the EU was to vote no. We were then dragged out against our will.

In the interest of clarity, let me say I did vote remain, however, even if I'd voted to leave, I would still say Scotland had every right to revisit the the question of independence simply because we were lied to. Fool me once ?
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Well you must of known if you voted yes, you would leave the EU
 
Steviebhoy67 said:
Have you studied how a country has to gain entry into the EU? The rules for acceptance are rigid and entry would take ALL existing members to accept which in itself is highly unlikely notwithstanding to prove a track record of financially being able to stand on it's own two feet.
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Scotland's debt to gdp would rule it out of being able to join the EU.
If they let us join, we would have heavy economic sections put on us like Greece.
I Don't understand these nationalist who want independence, just to give it up straight away by joining another union
 
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Prague67Bhoy said:
Stevie, Where did I suggest Greece was not an existing member? Did you read my post in full? My point was that given Greece is an existing member (and continues to be despite all its problems), then we can confidently expect that Scotland (with all its resources) might eventually be welcomed back. I do not doubt there will be a certain amount of political horse-trading required. However, I believe that with independence a "glass half full" approach can be adopted.
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Scotland was a full member as a country not as region of the uk , before being pulled out ,it's requirement would change going it alone but it would see acceptance quicker than countrys not a member of the E.U
 
Glasbhoy81 said:
Well you must of known if you voted yes, you would leave the EU
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That’s the trouble with most people on there, it’s just blind independence, no care or inclination how’d we’d fund things, it’s all just get free of Westminster, then we’ll wing it......the uk (of which) we’re part of, is at debt levels not seen since ww2, we’re liable for our share, SNP thinks North Sea oil will cure all our problems, but the fact is, they couldn’t give it away during the summer, had to PAY companies to take because the storage was maxed out, building our economy on soon to be defunct fossil fuels is short sighted in the extreme.....I want independence.....but the SNP arguments just don’t stack up
 
kelly said:
Scotland was a full member as a country not as region of the uk , before being pulled out ,it's requirement would change going it alone but it would see acceptance quicker than countrys not a member of the E.U
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Your talking pish, Scotland was never a full member as a country, neither is England a full member as a country.
The United Kingdom had the membership of the EU. If Scotland left the United Kingdom, it would also have left the EU.
Hence the reason wee nic and fat Alex were saying the EU would have us back-light away. Even if they were talking bullshit about rejoining right away, they KNEW that voting for independence would see us drop out the EU
 
Glasbhoy81 said:
Well you must of known if you voted yes, you would leave the EU
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if you're asking me if I knew I was being lied to, well, I think I had a good idea I was. I'm not really too sure how I can answer your post to be honest. Is it that I think I'm being lied to, so it's a waste of time voting remain ? Sorry, really don't get it.
 
Frank Owen said:
if you're asking me if I knew I was being lied to, well, I think I had a good idea I was. I'm not really too sure how I can answer your post to be honest. Is it that I think I'm being lied to, so it's a waste of time voting remain ? Sorry, really don't get it.
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Well your saying that Westminster lied by saying a no vote was the only way to stay in the EU.
Therefore a Yes vote would mean that we would be leaving the EU.
When Westminster said that they were telling the truth. Brexit hadn't happened yet.
So who lied to you?
 
Glasbhoy81 said:
Well your saying that Westminster lied by saying a no vote was the only way to stay in the EU.
Therefore a Yes vote would mean that we would be leaving the EU.
When Westminster said that they were telling the truth. Brexit hadn't happened yet.
So who lied to you?
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Sorry Glasbhoy81, I feel we're going round in circles. We were told the only way to stay in the EU was to vote no. We voted no and we were dragged out, so....
 
Glasbhoy81 said:
Your talking pish, Scotland was never a full member as a country, neither is England a full member as a country.
The United Kingdom had the membership of the EU. If Scotland left the United Kingdom, it would also have left the EU.
Hence the reason wee nic and fat Alex were saying the EU would have us back-light away. Even if they were talking bullshit about rejoining right away, they KNEW that voting for independence would see us drop out the EU
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:unsure: so the 4 countrys of the UK just woke up one morning and were told hoy jocko your now in the EU ,,,that's a good one mind you

You may just find all 4 countrys signed in one to join the EU did under the uk but ALL became members

as for the talkin pish statement here's a thought if you can't debate or put up your arguments up without the vitriol then go start a unionist thread am sure you'll find plenty like minded forelock tuggin unionist back of the bus soup takers to join you🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
 
kelly said:
:unsure: so the 4 countrys of the UK just woke up one morning and were told hoy jocko your now in the EU ,,,that's a good one mind you

You may just find all 4 countrys signed in one to join the EU did under the uk but ALL became members

as for the talkin pish statement here's a thought if you can't debate or put up your arguments up without the vitriol then go start a unionist thread am sure you'll find plenty like minded forelock tuggin unionist back of the bus soup takers to join you🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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That's the nice thing about you Kelly, always gentlemanly and gracious during political debates, you'd never stoop so low as to call someone a bellend or or a forelock tuggin unionist back of the bus soup taker because they kindly pointed out you were talking pish.

Wait a fuckin minute......
 
kelly said:
We also spread human shite on fields and call it biosolids ,and see some of them lovely forests we have , some of them have large pits dug in them and filled with all human sludge from the sewerage works ,it's smeared in lime before being dumped and then filled over and the guy standin operating the conveyor belt eaten his piece while the stench would drop an army says he canny smell a thing

going green ain't so great ,,,be careful what you pish for
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You huv so Kelly spread a lot of shit no just in fields. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
The Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.
The Scottish people overwhelmingly voted against the the current UK government.
Most Scottish people are opposed to nukes on the Clyde.
We are out the EU and ruled by Tory aristocratic millionaires that we did not vote for and US have nukes on the Clyde.
If you would like everything the majority of the Scottish people voted for to be ignored then vote for pro Union parties.
I want to be governed by people Scotland voted for.
Twice in my lifetime the UK electorate has inflicted Tory governments upon the people of Scotland against our wishes.
Never again should unelected Tories be allowed to wreck havoc in Scotland. Child Poverty will always increase wherever Tories rear their ugly heads and even uglier public policies. Never forget that Tory austerity killed 130,000 of the UKs most vulnerable citizens. (BMJ)
Independence is the only way to make sure we are governed by the people we actually voted for and to stop a foreign power deploying its weapons of mass destruction on the Clyde. They are about to increase these from 180 to 240. But we don't have money for schools or hospitals.
 
Prague67Bhoy said:
Fair enough, but your choice of words "Think you'll find" might have suggested a lack of understanding or respect for those with a different view.
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Respect works both ways and for the record i don't feel I've disrespected anyone on this subject. Only given my honest opinion. Could you please expand why you feel this way?
 
Richybhoy said:
The Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.
The Scottish people overwhelmingly voted against the the current UK government.
Most Scottish people are opposed to nukes on the Clyde.
We are out the EU and ruled by Tory aristocratic millionaires that we did not vote for and US have nukes on the Clyde.
If you would like everything the majority of the Scottish people voted for to be ignored then vote for pro Union parties.
I want to be governed by people Scotland voted for.
Twice in my lifetime the UK electorate has inflicted Tory governments upon the people of Scotland against our wishes.
Never again should unelected Tories be allowed to wreck havoc in Scotland. Child Poverty will always increase wherever Tories rear their ugly heads and even uglier public policies. Never forget that Tory austerity killed 130,000 of the UKs most vulnerable citizens. (BMJ)
Independence is the only way to make sure we are governed by the people we actually voted for and to stop a foreign power deploying its weapons of mass destruction on the Clyde. They are about to increase these from 180 to 240. But we don't have money for schools or hospitals.
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The problem youll find is it wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a UK vote pal. Maybe Doncaster voted in line with Scotland. Maybe some well off Scottish towns voted Tory. Who knows but at the end of the day it's called a UK vote and democracy is what defines a result.
 
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