Watchin it just now on CNN Boab,so much for 40,000 outside as well!No-one with a brain cell could be annoyed turning out for Trump, media bumming up the crowd and turnout but the camera does not lie.
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What can she do though Niall? Posted this the other day on another thread when discussing the issue with Kelly......
Trouble is Kelly the Scottish Government are dependent on institutions like the police and judiciary whose ranks (from top to bottom) are rife with the same BritNat/Loyalist ideology as these pricks. Aye the Scottish Government can create legislation to try and combat this shit but you need the police and the judiciary to enforce that legislation and they won't do that for 2 crucial reasons......
1. Like I said these 2 institutions are filled with people who see cracking down on these scumbags as 'going against their own' therefore they will do the bare minimum they can get away with.
2. Why would they assist a government that is run by a political party that is the very antithesis (seeks independence from the UK) to the ideology that permeates throughout every level of their institutions when it serves their purpose to undermine it instead.
Couple all that with a rabid media/press that are equally hostile to the Scottish Government for all the same reasons, who can blitz the airwaves and front pages with all sorts of bullshit and twisting of the narrative to manipulate public opinion, who will print partisan press releases from the Unionist parties like it's actual news then this particular Scottish government is virtually powerless when it comes to not only dealing with this shit but pretty much everything else that goes against this ideology.
The SNP might have been voted into power by the people of Scotland but it doesn't mean they actually have that much, not when all these institutions above can act in unison like a 5th Column of the British state and undermine them at every turn.
Now given this is what she's up against then she's virtually powerless to do anything in response.
Too pished to reply coherently,but remember talking to Gordon Wilson at an SNP conference, (Rothesay, clabby doo's) any way,independence wiz the goal. ah asked Gordon, how will the loyalists take it?,exactly! make the troubles look like a tea party!,the ulsterisation of Scottish politics is already underway, the cops have aligned themselves with the the statue protectors,the tory scum are calling out the SNP,for being careful?Sadly you are probably correct Shadow, Sturgeon you are quite right has limited power as a First Minister, however she does have the strongest position of all to question and lead on the issue.
She can question the approach from the Police, she can come out and state she fully understands and stands by the right to protest peacefully. She can ask questions as to why the antagonists from Wednesday – which she came out and criticised in very strong terms- were not kettled yet a group of protesters were who to date had not been involved in any trouble were. She can then ask why the press were stopped from taking pictures of and reporting what was happening.
There were clear attempts in my opinion here from the Police to avoid public scrutiny of their actions and Sturgeon can question why.
That said you are right, it is clear she is up against an establishment who offer her little respect and certainly don’t appear to fear her. I’m not sure that would be any better in an independent country, those views and tactics don’t disappear because Scotland becomes independent, the situation in Westminster and who controls the levers was evident with Boris and Cummings. Sturgeon could lead here, she could be vocal, she could shine a light on the inconsistencies in policing and question those tactics publicly. And she could do that through the press that the Police were clearly fearful of by their actions in trying to silence them on Saturday, there didn’t appear to be a united front from Police and media on Saturday. That would at least bring the scrutiny they were so keen to avoid. Perhaps there are cracks that can be exploited.
Like you said earleir in the thread there are questions to be asked in the consistency of policing of those that protest and those seeking to disrupt it with evident violence. I'd like her to at least call that out. HH
Aye MD, Shadow is right she is hamstrung and ignored. The police actions yesterday showed just that, but she and others still have a voice. Time they at least used what they do have and questioned the difference in tactics. Green Brigade not reacting and remaining peaceful under provocation was interesting and will the press conveniently moved away from the scene now have something to say? I won't be holding my breath but you live in hope. Like you say the next chapter could be interesting. Bevvied or not you make some good points. Enjoy!Too pished to reply coherently,but remember talking to Gordon Wilson at an SNP conference, (Rothesay, clabby doo's) any way,independence wiz the goal. ah asked Gordon, how will the loyalists take it?,exactly! make the troubles look like a tea party!,the ulsterisation of Scottish politics is already underway, the cops have aligned themselves with the the statue protectors,the tory scum are calling out the SNP,for being careful?
and legitimate protest is being condemned in SMSM!,when the first,second, third and fourth estate are against you, your..........fecked! fair play to the Green Brigade, they knew exactly what was going to happen,and the cops reaction was exactly what was expected, will the next protest see the huns kettled? exactly, will they be condemned? Ha! lines are bein drawin folks, but hey, ah'm blootered!
probably the only one here to stand up for all lives matter. I see the black lives matter as a definition of colour- some are saying all are stupid to think it . We will never be equal until we drop the colour issue. its a fact. The purpose of isolating is to get control. How many more people would have fought for all lives matter to end injustice?
Sadly you are probably correct Shadow, Sturgeon you are quite right has limited power as a First Minister, however she does have the strongest position of all to question and lead on the issue.
She can question the approach from the Police, she can come out and state she fully understands and stands by the right to protest peacefully. She can ask questions as to why the antagonists from Wednesday – which she came out and criticised in very strong terms- were not kettled yet a group of protesters were who to date had not been involved in any trouble were. She can then ask why the press were stopped from taking pictures of and reporting what was happening.
There were clear attempts in my opinion here from the Police to avoid public scrutiny of their actions and Sturgeon can question why.
That said you are right, it is clear she is up against an establishment who offer her little respect and certainly don’t appear to fear her. I’m not sure that would be any better in an independent country, those views and tactics don’t disappear because Scotland becomes independent, the situation in Westminster and who controls the levers was evident with Boris and Cummings. Sturgeon could lead here, she could be vocal, she could shine a light on the inconsistencies in policing and question those tactics publicly. And she could do that through the press that the Police were clearly fearful of by their actions in trying to silence them on Saturday, there didn’t appear to be a united front from Police and media on Saturday. That would at least bring the scrutiny they were so keen to avoid. Perhaps there are cracks that can be exploited.
Like you said earleir in the thread there are questions to be asked in the consistency of policing of those that protest and those seeking to disrupt it with evident violence. I'd like her to at least call that out. HH
Naw I agree 100% Niall when you say NS should be coming out and condemning this and asking those who head up Police Scotland the very questions you highlighted above but what I'm driving at here is then what? What comes after the questions and condemnation?
Answers , answers they will need to stand up and not fly under the guise of football rish groups
Kelly made the point about how paying lip service to this is not enough, that without action criticism of her government will rise and support for it will wane and he is bang on. The question I'm posing here is what, beyond her condemning Police Scotland's actions and asking the questions you raised above, can she actually do?
Call it out , speak up bring Scotlands shame out into the open she has everything to lose by ignoring it , ok you say she's powerless but she's not lost her voice and as an irish catholic her stance so far would not gain mine or any of my familys vote
she was vocal on the first day and so was Hamsa yousef ,,,and now .....silence
if it was black marchers being kettled yesterday we would be sreaming racists and want something done where as right now were saying she's powerless to stop a bigoted police force enforce the law or to answer for there actions
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i know you werent and neither was i just replyed to a few points ,
For the record I wisnae having a pop at you in any way on this thread mate I was actually agreeing with you in regards to your comment about paying lip service. Words are all good and well but when do those words lead to action, the question I was always posing was what action if any can be taken?
i know you werent and neither was i just replyed to a few points ,