So far I have had denial deflection anger rejection more deflection more anger some more deflection and now I am getting anger deflection and whataboutery. You are the first SNP voice that has actually agreed with condemning the SNP mp for Paisley mhairi black for her sectarian posts I at last see a bit of hope .
But then you miss my point. I posted because this overtly rascist anti Irish scots mp has been given an award by the saltire society as one of the ten outstanding women of Scotland for 2018 inspite of her post she is rewarded by this country, the SNP do not do that, i cannot say who is on the awarding panel but it is , I assume ,Scottish societies great and good and they see no problem with this award going to ms black I do that is why I started this post. I posted because I could not believe that this insult had added salt to the wound of her original interview.
I have become upset with the SNP however on two fronts, first the list of attempts by SNP supporting voices on this site to shut me up have been wide and varied, but I cannot help but feel this is more of my previously argued party fear than any genuine attempt to engage after all if they wanted to they need only address my points .
My original questioning of the SNP was as a result of the lack of censure for the mp from the SNP for Paisley ms mhairi black. Again would it be acceptible if she were speaking of blacks Jew Asians . Of course not but the SNP choose to attack me on this page rather than face up to their own party members who espouse these views. I appear easier to attack than to engage in debate with.
Now a new voice come on and again distract what about this what about that i am this I am doing that. I have told you what I am doing. If you choose to read something else into this I cannot be held responsible for that. I am a Celtic fan who came to this forum after seeing it announced on Celtic web pages. I am of Irish scots background. I have been angered by the award given to the SNP mp for Paisley mhairi black. I have also been angered at the SNP for their lack of censure of this individual who represents the SNP in Paisley .
I am not and never have been a member of a political party. If what i am saying is being seen as pushing a wedge between you SNP guys and the Celtic support who backed you in their droves I suggest you look at what you guys are doing rather than what I am saying.
I feel no need to address the deflective whataboutery you bring to this discussion when so few of my points are addressed. I have attempted to put forward the same basic argument in the hope that your party take note and as the party of power in this country try and change it for the better of my community. I note from philmacgiollabhain site with sadness that a meeting planned this very week to begin to try and address these sort of issueshas been cancelled in Glasgow for fear of fascist repercussions towards the venue staff.
Should your time as a party not be better spent fighting these guys rather than us who just seek a degree of parity. After all I did not confront anyone in George / independance square after the vote. My conscience is clear on all these matters is yours.
Yours in Celtic. Hh
You were trying to imply that because one MP said something you found offensive the SNP should be tarred with that same brush. You stated you wouldn’t trust them. Implying that they were not due anyone of Irish/Scots heritage because of this. That was your implication, so dont try and wiggle out of that one.
Andybhoy rightly pointed out to you the real exploiters of the situation have been both Labour and the Tories. Did you miss the comment recently about a labour official questioning a woman blessing herself, that escape your attention? Selective retention is the curse that keeps people like you going in your victimization crusade.
In an earlier ramble to me, and by fuck was it a ramble. You invoked the British Empire, as if I or any other living soul was responsible for the many wrongs committed at that time. Are you that deluded that you think we will stand for that utter shit. Why don’t you just go the whole hog and bring up Cromwell or Knox? Totally pathetic and made you look like the eternal victim, looking to cast up the sins of the past to reinforce you heart wrenching feelings of subjugation. Reading your posts I hear the smallest violin playing with every self pitying sentence you batter out.
You may be a victim mate, i’m not. You may spend your life looking backward and filling up, that’s not the experience of most Irish/Scots. We are here, we are Scots, we belong here, we are not of the downtrodden immigrant mentality, you clearly still are.
You took an instance where a Catholic MP made comments about the lingering mentality of some that they are Irish and not Scots. Now you may not agree with her, you may think it’s racism, you may even be right, although I don’t agree with that. But here’s the rub. You used that to attack the SNP in all its works. You latest posts about Gullags playing Jimmy Shand shows me you have lost the plot in your self pitying victimhood and your motives are wider than the MP.
Everybody not so afflicted by a sense of perpetual victimisation can see it. You then go on to talk about slavery and people torn from their homes to be taken to the USA. As if this has a parralell with a young woman calling you a plastic Paddy.
Your hatred for this country, it’s past, it’s present, it’s future is a worry. You probably spend your life looking for things like this to get outraged about. It doesn’t extend to that Labour Party cunt who mocked the woman blessing herself though, does it? Missed that one out didn’t you. Missed out the Tories courting the OO. Your argument and motives are sullied by your total absence of objectivity and equally applied rage.
The SNP have done more for this country than Labour these last twenty years. The Labour Party, which I would bet my left nut you voted for betrayed the working class. They have exploited the Catholic vote for generations. Not a word. Not a mention
Here’s a tip, if you want to be taken seriously introduce a balanced attack on all the party’s. drop the Empire shit, that is so embarrassing. Don’t then try to deflect about your real motive. To demonise the SNP. Do you think we are all stupid? Do you think we cannot see the wider target of your, oh I’m so offended, boo hoo bollocks?
No community or group should be above criticism. No group should be immune to people asking difficult questions. Like why when you are clearly Scottish you refuse to accept that? Pointing to perceived and real wrongs as a reason to fuel your agenda of perpetual victim hood.
As I said, you may be a fucking victim, I’am not. Neither are my sons my siblings my friends. We will not take to our knees lamenting a young woman having a view you don’t like. Get off your knees and stand proud of who you are and that you belong, and avoid letting stuff you don’t like making you cast up the Empure and African slavery as somehow to prove your point.
Your point was using Black as a vehicle to arrack the SNP. Own that and we can put this to bed, but don’t think there are not at least a few on here who will call out your pitying woe are us bollicks and not call you out.
This is my country, you might not feel that way, but that’s your problem. I belong here. We all do. Let us see who the Irish/Scots vote for in the next election. I guarantee you it won’t be those traitors to the working class in Scotland-of the Labour Party. I will bet you a bleating, poor us heart on that.
