Hoops bhoy off there - especially if Dallas grandad was on duty. If its Lennox probably miles on when ball played
Changing the offside rule?
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Bridie Bhoy
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Well, Hugh Dallas's dad was an important member of the Orange Order who's passing was mourned by them in his obituary in the newspaper. So no surprise there if he did give offside against Celtic.Hoops bhoy off there - especially if Dallas grandad was on duty. If its Lennox probably miles on when ball played
lcafiero
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Absolutely! In fact, let's be like the Allsvenskan in Sweden and bar VAR altogether!How about scrapping the offside rule and putting the MIB on VAR out of busines…..
Imatim
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VAR isn’t the problem Larry. It’s the cheating Hun MIB that manipulate it to suit their own ends that’s the problem…
Bridie Bhoy
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In principle, VAR should be a good innovation to help eradicate major errors and injustices. Of course, there will always be controversy whenever it is a subjective decision based on opinion or interpretation by the officials, as 100 experts can all see the same incident and you will probably find several different takes on the same thing.
But the way football has introduced this is an absolute shambles. Take rugby, in this the 3 on-field officials will all gather together, watch the incident in full view of the stadium and everyone discuss it with the TMO official. These discussions are clear for viewers (and those in the stadium who paid the small fee to listen into the refs in headphones) to hear the step-by-step decision making process. You may still not agree with the final call, but at least you know exactly why they came to that decision.
As we know, in football it is all top secret. The ref gets told to go and watch a wee tv screen on his own and essentially feels pressurised to over-turn his decision as the implication is that a couple of refs who are not caught up in the hurly-burly of being on the pitch, with better viewpoints and slow motion replays, think you have made a mistake. This leads to 95%+ of VARs overturning the original decision. Fans at home have an idea as to what is going on but fans in the stadium are oblivious.
Then in Scotland, we have the problem of a brotherhood of referees who have allegiances to certain team(s) which results in inconsistencies, turning a blind eye to certain incidents, exaggerating other incidents (freeze frames of contact that is deliberately out of context) the use of unusual camera angles, squint lines or still frames taken before or after the through ball has been kicked, all in order to achieve the decision that they want rather than what is correct.
Winter
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Les Mottram , what a ***** absolute ***** and terrible referee ( for *** , insert self appropriate words) mine perhaps x rated enough to require self moderation..
Yet ' stranger things' those referees were deemed good enough to officiate high level European fixtures.
Where they any better than what we have now? Long time ago, difficult to determine with the number of rule changes that's taken place since then but personally there's no improvement in Scottish officiating in my eyes, the opposite is the way I see it.
"From June 2009 until November 2010, Dallas ( Hugh) was the SFA's Referee Development Officer. He is a UEFA Referee Officer. He is also currently the Referee Development Consultant for TFF's Arbitration Committee, a position he has been occupying since June 2022."
- ive included an interesting link from the source of above quote which I believe shows just how much Dallas and Co have failed our country's national sport, one which we gifted to the world amongst others.
- I read this on tinterweb and thought to myself ' this is a joke , serious , but also embarrasing'.
Dated June 17 2003 its astonishing how little if any progress has been made at all.
Scotland's pride in its referees
The SFA's annual conference gives officials at all levels the chance to mix and learn.
www.uefa.com
How can Scotland have a guy like Dallas snr in the " SFAs referee Development officer " for a whopping 17 months , at the same time hes currently, Referee Development Consultant for TFF's Arbitration Committee, a position he has been occupying since June 2022.
According to the official UEFA link.
We've gone backwards so much since even then , an important year in Celtic's history , despite it ending trophy-less.
FF to 2024 we now have Collum as SFA head of refereeing " following an extensive recruitment process " yes I smell it too.
" Collum was the last referee to represent Scotland at a major tournament eight years ago, and he says that is far too long a gap between representation for our officials on the big stage."
Well congratulations Willie on stating the most obvious and absolute truth that our referees are held in such low regard, our football is rated higher than our refereeing standards in Europe, we even suffered the ignominious decision made by FIFA/ UEFA to have a south American referee " trialist" referee , officiate the Hungary v Scotland game last euros ( I believe, could be wrong but it was one of our games) that referee was sent home straight after, disgraceful decision to " trial" anyone at such a high profile high stakes game, its only taken years for these countries to go through all the rigours of qualification to reach a pinnacle tournament then given a random referee to officiate, scandalous decision,why was Argentinian Facundo Tello chosen for our game? Randomly?
Computer chose it?
Had the computer chosen it?
Probably possibly perhaps etc but something tells me that if it was a fair and random decision, and the CPU had chosen Tello to instead be a " trialist" official for the round of 16 ko game between say France 1 - 0 Belgium , I firmly believe that someone somewhere would've forseen that this is/was a poor time to introduce a trialist official from the other side of the world into the cauldron of the Euros knock out stage and overruled it as the sensible thing to do with such massive stakes on the line for both nations , of course Scotland v Hungary, doesn't have the same perceived level of importance to a worldwide audience as we are looking at 2 pre tournament favourites to go far possibly win it outright
.So the sensible thing to do there was make his trial either a dead rubber or opening match.
Scotland 0-1 Hungary both teams were poor and neither deserved to go through as was the case in the end.
Without going back into great detail ( collective thank ***k") and watching the highlights I can remember of the time thinking, Argentinian referee to referee a British nations game?
OK time has passed since 1982, but I cannot believe, I do not believe that "Argentinians " of all walks of life have forgiven the " British " certainly NOT forgetting, what happened there.
Now forget all the rights and many wrongs of the actual conflict itself, but to me ( without accusing the ref ( from memory alone)) of being anti-scottish during the game, I'm not but md3 is effectively a ko matchday, someone is going home afterwards.
Makes me wonder do FIFA have any sort of background checks to see (for instance), did/does Tello's family history have any connection with the conflict?
Did the guy lose any family or friends families etc suffer at the hands of the then making a statement" Thatchers British government " we can take this war right to the doorstep of the nasty Argentinian people and their government and show them, we may be far away and no longer the empire but dontvf**k with us because look at the damage we can happily supply from distance.
We all have heard many stories of that conflict, one in particular sticks in the head about the SAS brutality during the conflict where the SAS herded Argentinian conscripts of the top off of 50 ft cliffs.
If I, as a 12 year old during the conflict remember this coming out a few years later doesn't Tello?
My opinion? Yes of course he does and he cannot be alone , Scotland, England Wales, Northern Ireland it will be all the same to them rightly so as I believe it was the Scots who first landed on the moon , I mean the Falklands well can't be that much further away. So it was a very inflammatory decision in the first place.
Apart from all of that opinionated ehm opinion, if you're still awake can you imagine the flip side of the coin?
Let's say for example that in the recent Copa America.( which ran concurrently with the Euros, )
Let's just choose Argentina ( since Tello is Argentinian).Vs Brazil.
Here's an idea, why don't we have a Portuguese trialist referee , to referee that game,?
Would anyone care about the fact we'd have a Portuguese ref taking charge of a Spanish v Portuguese speaking referee?
Of course they would they hate one another it wouldn't happen , too much opportunity for an already powdererkeg fixture to explode, so avoid that.
Tangents all around here I know ik I get it , get in with it already.
For guys like Larry relatively new to the sport, picked a wonderful club to follow massive respect Larry HH ).
This chopping and changing of the offside rules doesn't help it hinders, I mean there's only been around 125 years to get it right.
The athletics ( sprinting ) comparisons a relatively decent one , its not the feet toes nor hands amor any extremities it's the torso, head or chest which is used.
Imo its something similar, but even it's as closest the advantage should always go to the attacker, the one trying to make something happen not the defender trying to stop things happening.
So I'd be happy with even a heads width ( steady now family forum), if the attacker is attacking and has his ass offside due to looking the wong way, turns around gets the ball but is flagged for offside for his actions or lack of 5 minutes earlier it's a total nonsense.
- rant over ' good afternoon HH
Bridie Bhoy
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The biggest problem with Scottish referees is the long-term continual promotion based not on the person's abilities but rather on their closeness to Lanarkshire and their handshake. 3 or 4 years ago now, I read that out of the 14 regionalised footballing association in Scotland, 60% of the top tier refs came from just the one - Lanarkshire! Dallas fast-tracked refs of a similar background to himself and we are still paying the price for this until this day.Les Mottram , what a ***** absolute ***** and terrible referee ( for *** , insert self appropriate words) mine perhaps x rated enough to require self moderation..
Yet ' stranger things' those referees were deemed good enough to officiate high level European fixtures.
Where they any better than what we have now? Long time ago, difficult to determine with the number of rule changes that's taken place since then but personally there's no improvement in Scottish officiating in my eyes, the opposite is the way I see it.
"From June 2009 until November 2010, Dallas ( Hugh) was the SFA's Referee Development Officer. He is a UEFA Referee Officer. He is also currently the Referee Development Consultant for TFF's Arbitration Committee, a position he has been occupying since June 2022."
- ive included an interesting link from the source of above quote which I believe shows just how much Dallas and Co have failed our country's national sport, one which we gifted to the world amongst others.
- I read this on tinterweb and thought to myself ' this is a joke , serious , but also embarrasing'.
Dated June 17 2003 its astonishing how little if any progress has been made at all.
Scotland's pride in its referees
The SFA's annual conference gives officials at all levels the chance to mix and learn.www.uefa.com
How can Scotland have a guy like Dallas snr in the " SFAs referee Development officer " for a whopping 17 months , at the same time hes currently, Referee Development Consultant for TFF's Arbitration Committee, a position he has been occupying since June 2022.
According to the official UEFA link.
We've gone backwards so much since even then , an important year in Celtic's history , despite it ending trophy-less.
FF to 2024 we now have Collum as SFA head of refereeing " following an extensive recruitment process " yes I smell it too.
" Collum was the last referee to represent Scotland at a major tournament eight years ago, and he says that is far too long a gap between representation for our officials on the big stage."
Well congratulations Willie on stating the most obvious and absolute truth that our referees are held in such low regard, our football is rated higher than our refereeing standards in Europe, we even suffered the ignominious decision made by FIFA/ UEFA to have a south American referee " trialist" referee , officiate the Hungary v Scotland game last euros ( I believe, could be wrong but it was one of our games) that referee was sent home straight after, disgraceful decision to " trial" anyone at such a high profile high stakes game, its only taken years for these countries to go through all the rigours of qualification to reach a pinnacle tournament then given a random referee to officiate, scandalous decision,why was Argentinian Facundo Tello chosen for our game? Randomly?
Computer chose it?
Had the computer chosen it?
Probably possibly perhaps etc but something tells me that if it was a fair and random decision, and the CPU had chosen Tello to instead be a " trialist" official for the round of 16 ko game between say France 1 - 0 Belgium , I firmly believe that someone somewhere would've forseen that this is/was a poor time to introduce a trialist official from the other side of the world into the cauldron of the Euros knock out stage and overruled it as the sensible thing to do with such massive stakes on the line for both nations , of course Scotland v Hungary, doesn't have the same perceived level of importance to a worldwide audience as we are looking at 2 pre tournament favourites to go far possibly win it outright
So the sensible thing to do there was make his trial either a dead rubber or opening match.
Scotland 0-1 Hungary both teams were poor and neither deserved to go through as was the case in the end.
Without going back into great detail ( collective thank ***k") and watching the highlights I can remember of the time thinking, Argentinian referee to referee a British nations game?
OK time has passed since 1982, but I cannot believe, I do not believe that "Argentinians " of all walks of life have forgiven the " British " certainly NOT forgetting, what happened there.
Now forget all the rights and many wrongs of the actual conflict itself, but to me ( without accusing the ref ( from memory alone)) of being anti-scottish during the game, I'm not but md3 is effectively a ko matchday, someone is going home afterwards.
Makes me wonder do FIFA have any sort of background checks to see (for instance), did/does Tello's family history have any connection with the conflict?
Did the guy lose any family or friends families etc suffer at the hands of the then making a statement" Thatchers British government " we can take this war right to the doorstep of the nasty Argentinian people and their government and show them, we may be far away and no longer the empire but dontvf**k with us because look at the damage we can happily supply from distance.
We all have heard many stories of that conflict, one in particular sticks in the head about the SAS brutality during the conflict where the SAS herded Argentinian conscripts of the top off of 50 ft cliffs.
If I, as a 12 year old during the conflict remember this coming out a few years later doesn't Tello?
My opinion? Yes of course he does and he cannot be alone , Scotland, England Wales, Northern Ireland it will be all the same to them rightly so as I believe it was the Scots who first landed on the moon , I mean the Falklands well can't be that much further away. So it was a very inflammatory decision in the first place.
Apart from all of that opinionated ehm opinion, if you're still awake can you imagine the flip side of the coin?
Let's say for example that in the recent Copa America.( which ran concurrently with the Euros, )
Let's just choose Argentina ( since Tello is Argentinian).Vs Brazil.
Here's an idea, why don't we have a Portuguese trialist referee , to referee that game,?
Would anyone care about the fact we'd have a Portuguese ref taking charge of a Spanish v Portuguese speaking referee?
Of course they would they hate one another it wouldn't happen , too much opportunity for an already powdererkeg fixture to explode, so avoid that.
As for the Argentine ref - that was a bizarre appointment. Maybe he was not entirely impartial? Who knows? But I will guarantee that you would not get, say, a Turkish ref in charge of a vital high profile Greek match.
