Ally
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Don't know about Bernie Sanders but I'd keep Elizabeth Warren at arms length.
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lcafiero
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I'd keep Elizabeth Warren in a trunk in the basement, if that were possible. She's awful on several levels.
TET
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While Corbyn has a statue of Lenin in his house and has Blairite party under him then sadly I think he is unelectable to Welsh people and the centre left Disenfanchised English labour strongholds.
He cant even command traditional labour support against the most inept series of Tory Banksters in history.
His general old labour thinking is appealing but that old labour style which created the winter of discontent will mean he will be second choice for English voters even against an incompetent far right choice.
the UKIP brexiteers are mostly from strong left leaning constituencies.
Which means they think the left has failed and the new radical is extreme right and it has massive support through propaganda
personally anyone who idolises mass murdering extreme anti catholic Lenin is not electable even if they tell you they are the moderate version
thats exactly what all communist regimes said before they removed voting and exterminated all religions or people who asked difficult questions.
All bar none.
Clinton gloated when she came saw and killed Gaddafi. no fan of Gaddafi but he was the only socialist in history that made his poor wealthier. And the us democrat party extinguished him and Libyan gold bullion disappeared.
So much for helping the poor clinton
the poor now live in deserts in Libya and extremist islamic politics dominates that country.
Gaddafi was evil. But he was a socialist.
Cromwell was evil
but he was a socialist republican
French Revolution was socialist evil and republican
Russian revolution was socialist evil and republican
Chinese revolution was socialist evil and republican
in fact every single socialist republic made the poor poorer and killed religious catholics
Notice the common denominator
And every one of these regimes was replaced by false hard right conservatism
Anyone who thinks Marx policies will make their poorness better off needs a proper history lesson.
The fact Corbyn has statue of Lenin in his house alarms me. And I am left leaning.
most people will pick hard right when they get taste of hard left
Cromwell made the people of England so aggrieved they demanded the son of the illegally beheaded king be made king when Cromwell was dead.
but the powerful people dont like chains so they gloriously revolted again but this time with city of London and its barons as the crown on the head of a foreign republic, namely stadholder and prince of orange of the REPUBLIC of the United Provinces.
a republic was king of England and soon King of UK and soon King of the empire that had no setting sun.
A man who took orders from the republic will of united provinces was king of the Empire.
Hows that for bizarre truth.
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TET
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Sounds very evil to me.
michael duffy
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Indendepence for me!
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kelly
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if it's a vote to break the union then i'm in
Ally
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The trouble is the unionist vote in the UK,that always carries the day. Unfortunately but Scotland I know one day will be independent just have to be patient, Rome was not built in a day. Johnston in power no referendum in Scotland as long as he survives. HH
Ally
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No that won't happen. Look at Israel non European but play in UEFA competitions. I know your having a laugh, but just wanted it put out there UEFA are dodgy. HH
tictastic
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Are you imbibing any falling down water?Aw fuck youāll only encourage them ā¹ā¹ Made a cunt a that
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Ian65
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naw just made a cunt of itAre you imbibing any falling down water?
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Ian65
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Says. 007No that won't happen. Look at Israel non European but play in UEFA competitions. I know your having a laugh, but just wanted it put out there UEFA are dodgy. HH
Especially āred cardā Ross up in sheep land,get him to āFā hh
BroonyNeedsAStatue
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Scotland breaks from the union and the EU sends them to the back of the line. Scotland accepts an invitation from Dublin to form a Celtic Union. All Scots are given Irish and thus EU citizenship. Within a decade, the Welsh are knocking at the door.
Shadow2
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I would sound a note of caution to those who think this election is basically all about Brexit, that may be true for England, Wales and NI but in Scotland it's still all about killing Independence for the Unionist parties, whatever the cost! Why else would we be seeing things like this......
www.thetimes.co.uk
Also be careful if your leaning towards the Lib Dem tactical vote, there's a reason all the Tory defectors are joining the Lib Dems, they were after all the party who propped up a Tory government and made the Tory's austerity policies possible. Not to mention the fact they are massive hypocrites who want to give voters a 2nd referendum on the EU because 'circumstances have changed and people have changed their minds' while simultaneously denying the Scots their chance to 'change their minds' on Independence due to 'changed circumstances'!
As for Labour well apart from the fact that they're a fucking shambles internally, have no coherent message on Brexit and are not only at odds with one another at a UK level but also north and south of the border I still find it impossible to vote for a party who conspired with the Tories in the IndyRef, sit in coalition with the Tories in councils up and down Scotland, who along with the Tories have Orange Order members as councillors and who abstained during votes on Tory welfare cuts in WM. Getting harder to tell which is which these days.
Say what you like about the SNP and Sturgeon but at least they try to fight against and actively mitigate against the devastating and brutal impact of Tory policy on the people of Scotland, at least they strive for positive change in Scotland instead of aiding and abetting the Tories and voting down any chance we have of devolving powers to the Scottish parliament which could improve the lives of the people of Scotland.
Would never dream of telling people how to vote what I would say though is don't just vote for a party out of habit, tradition or tribalism......look at the detail, look at their track record and compare their actions to their rhetoric but whatever you do vote for them on policy and not out of blind loyalty.
Labour and Tories will āsit back to let Lib Dems oust Blackfordā
An informal pact has emerged to oust the second SNP Westminster leader in as many years by giving ground to the Liberal Democrats. Senior figures in the Scottish Conservatives and Scottish Labour believe that Craig Harrow, the Liberal Democrat candidate, is on course to topple Ian Blackford in Ross
www.thetimes.co.uk
Also be careful if your leaning towards the Lib Dem tactical vote, there's a reason all the Tory defectors are joining the Lib Dems, they were after all the party who propped up a Tory government and made the Tory's austerity policies possible. Not to mention the fact they are massive hypocrites who want to give voters a 2nd referendum on the EU because 'circumstances have changed and people have changed their minds' while simultaneously denying the Scots their chance to 'change their minds' on Independence due to 'changed circumstances'!
As for Labour well apart from the fact that they're a fucking shambles internally, have no coherent message on Brexit and are not only at odds with one another at a UK level but also north and south of the border I still find it impossible to vote for a party who conspired with the Tories in the IndyRef, sit in coalition with the Tories in councils up and down Scotland, who along with the Tories have Orange Order members as councillors and who abstained during votes on Tory welfare cuts in WM. Getting harder to tell which is which these days.
Say what you like about the SNP and Sturgeon but at least they try to fight against and actively mitigate against the devastating and brutal impact of Tory policy on the people of Scotland, at least they strive for positive change in Scotland instead of aiding and abetting the Tories and voting down any chance we have of devolving powers to the Scottish parliament which could improve the lives of the people of Scotland.
Would never dream of telling people how to vote what I would say though is don't just vote for a party out of habit, tradition or tribalism......look at the detail, look at their track record and compare their actions to their rhetoric but whatever you do vote for them on policy and not out of blind loyalty.
Goldfinch67
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What a time to be living. Right wing leaders getting arrested returning from Russia where Putin has been found to be authorising the funding of their groups to cause disruption in the uk. Johnson admits this morning that he and sinister Rees-Mogg were aware they breached Election funding rules during the Brexit campaign. We slept through the same model as was rolled out in the USA elections that had Russian senior figures toasting 'Make America Great'. What I will say for Corbyn (and I do not particularly warm to him) is that he has been hounded by the English right wing press throughout his tenure. The fact that he respected and spoke to Gerry Adams and the late Martin McGuinness about the issues in Ireland made him a pariah. I respect that he has never tried to step back from this position.
SNP and Police showed their hand with their dealings of the Green Brigade (like Celtic Park was the place to root out Sectarianism in Scotland). It wasn't so long ago that if you had kicked Donald Trumps arse you'd have broke Alex Salmond's nose. Some on our own Board will be accepting Johnson as a lovable buffoon which is fine if you have personal wealth, private health care and all the trimmings.
People should make up their own minds.
SNP and Police showed their hand with their dealings of the Green Brigade (like Celtic Park was the place to root out Sectarianism in Scotland). It wasn't so long ago that if you had kicked Donald Trumps arse you'd have broke Alex Salmond's nose. Some on our own Board will be accepting Johnson as a lovable buffoon which is fine if you have personal wealth, private health care and all the trimmings.
People should make up their own minds.
Shadow2
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''SNP and Police showed their hand with their dealings of the Green Brigade''
Sorry Goldfinch but while I'll concede the OBFA was a poorly constructed piece of legislation by the SNP it was drafted at a time when WE Celtic fans were demanding action from the Scottish government to deal with the lunatic bigots who were making death threats and sending bombs and bullets through the post to Lenny, Niall McGinn, Celtic lawyer Paul McBride and Labour MSP Trish Godman.
Granted they made a balls up of the legislation but at least they made an attempt to tackle the sectarian problem whereas every other party either pretended it didn't exist for over 100 years or actively stirred the pot when it suited their interests (I mean ffs we have 2 Orange Order members sitting as Labour and Tory councillors as we speak).
As for the Police, well how they enforced the OBFA was entirely their responsibility, the SNP didn't draw up the legislation and send them out to specifically target the Green Brigade. It was the Police who made that call all on their own and like the SMSM and so many other institutions in Scotland their hierarchies are known to be bursting at the seams with people of a Unionist persuasion. People who are traditionally ideologically opposed to not just us as a support but to the SNP as a party. The Police not only abused their power by using the OBFA to disproportionately target the Green Brigade, whilst ignoring the actions of others, but they undermined the very reasons why the SNP drew up the legislation in the first place.
Why would the SNP set out to undermine their own legislation? Is it not more likely people of a certain outlook from within the police took it upon themselves to use the OBFA to single out a Green Brigade they were already hostile to whilst not being ignorant to the fact that it had the added benefit of placing people who they were politically opposed to directly in the firing line knowing it would be them (with a little help from the Unionist SMSM) who would get the blame?
What I do agree with however is that Corbyn has been hounded by what is a predominately right wing UK press. His willingness to talk with Gerry Adams, Martin McGuiness etc. (something the UK establishment eventually had to do themselves) and others involved in other conflicts has been used to paint him as some sort of collaborator or traitor to the UK and it's just frothing batshit nonsense. That doesn't take away from the fact however that he has been impotent when it's come to Tory austerity and the devastating welfare cuts that's got so many people on the brink of survival, both he and his party have shamefully abstained when they could've stopped some of the most brutal Tory cuts in their tracks. Also he's been absolutely useless on the Brexit issue as he himself is a Brexiteer and is at odds with large swathes of his own party. Even if his party is divided on Brexit it's up to him and his Shadow cabinet to come up with a strategy that carries a majority of support one way or another and at least gives them a semi coherent message to take to the electorate. Instead he has dithered and equivocated at a time when the country needs a capable coherent opposition the most.
As an ex-Labour voter I still find it not just sad but infuriating to see the mess they're in as a party. I don't even know what they are or what they stand for anymore, to me at least they are now 2 parties in one who instead of just splitting for the benefits of themselves and the UK they instead slowly tear themselves apart allowing the Tory's free reign to inflict damaging policies on the most vulnerable in society. It's a shameful dereliction of duty.
HH
