Goalkeeping The Faith

Spherical Planet

Well-known member
I am/was a goalkeeper. It wasn't by design, it was decided purely on the fact that I was a terrible footballer.

Once I committed to being a keeper, I didn't have any regrets and loved the responsibility and the high stakes that went with the position.

I earned money from being a goalkeeper and I still ponder the 'what might have beens' if I didn't rupture my knee ligaments at 17. I kicked my last meaningful ball at 25 and have spent the last 25-years boring pub punters into submission about the 'nearly' times.

As a goalkeeper during the 80's and 90's, you knew that you were going to get badly hurt at least three times per match. You knew you were going to 'get it', but you also knew that you had a bit more licence to 'give it' back as well.

I think goalkeeping is a completely different discipline in football. It is a unique role that cannot be determined by the way you might judge an outfield player. Modern goalkeeping tends to focus on physicality, stature and presence, but the actual art of goalkeeping has been lost due to specialist coaching and a heavy concentration on technique. What coaching cannot provide is the fearlessness and courage to be a goalkeeper. It cannot provide you with the arrogance or confidence to put your neck on the block as the last line of defence.

I was never the most technically gifted keeper. There were far better shotstoppers than I ever was. There were far better keepers at dealing with cross balls, and there were far more impressive physical specimens than me (not as handsome though). My strength could be found in two specific areas: I talked my way through games and had a constant flow of dialogue with my teammates and the second big attribute I had was that I did not give two fucks about anything.

I didn't like conceding goals and I took it personally, but even if I threw one in - I just got back up and didn't let it affect me one way or another.

In my humble opinion - it is confidence and arrogance that will decide how good a goalkeeper you are.

Buffon was/is a reasonable keeper, but forget the hype - he was as dodgy as a ten-bob note. It was/is his confidence, arrogance and self-belief that set him apart from the majority of his contemporaries.

Much has been made of our current keeper and what makes his position all the more daunting is that we are directly comparing him to Fraser Forster. However - those of us who can recall Fraser's first season will likely remember that his early performances were questionable and he didn't look altogether convincing. It wasn't until the Ne'ers day game at the midden that he started to inspire a bit of confidence and even then, he still had a few dodgy games in the run-in. We were absolutely awful in Inverness, but Fraser had a 'mare that night and the league would eventually be lost as a consequence.

Barkas cost the club a lot of money, but more than any other position - the importance of being able to clearly communicate with your defence is never more necessary than when you're a keeper. It takes time to forge that bond and it is nowhere near being cemented as it currently stands. A lot has been made of his apparent inability to come up with critical saves, but my argument has always been that (with strong communication) a keeper shouldn't have too many saves to make in the first instance.

Barkas will need time to grow into the shirt; unfortunately - Celtic don't have a lot of time to allow that transition to naturally develop. Scott Bain is a good goalkeeper, but he is not a genuine Celtic No.1. For Barkas to develop at the required rate, he needs a stable, consistent defence that plays in a settled formation. His defenders need to be defenders first and not expose him to unnecessary danger. He needs to work on his English and coach these players in front of him through games and he needs to understand the emphasis on crossing in Scottish football.

Being a goalkeeper isn't easy. Being a goalkeeper for Celtic multiplies the difficulty by three due to the expectations. There aren't many hiding places at Celtic Park, but he might just need that one massive matchwinning game to give him the confidence to be a Celtic keeper.

I'll keep the faith a while longer, but he's on a steep learning curve and he needs to learn very quickly.
 

Bridie Bhoy

Well-known member
I am/was a goalkeeper. It wasn't by design, it was decided purely on the fact that I was a terrible footballer.

Once I committed to being a keeper, I didn't have any regrets and loved the responsibility and the high stakes that went with the position.

I earned money from being a goalkeeper and I still ponder the 'what might have beens' if I didn't rupture my knee ligaments at 17. I kicked my last meaningful ball at 25 and have spent the last 25-years boring pub punters into submission about the 'nearly' times.

As a goalkeeper during the 80's and 90's, you knew that you were going to get badly hurt at least three times per match. You knew you were going to 'get it', but you also knew that you had a bit more licence to 'give it' back as well.

I think goalkeeping is a completely different discipline in football. It is a unique role that cannot be determined by the way you might judge an outfield player. Modern goalkeeping tends to focus on physicality, stature and presence, but the actual art of goalkeeping has been lost due to specialist coaching and a heavy concentration on technique. What coaching cannot provide is the fearlessness and courage to be a goalkeeper. It cannot provide you with the arrogance or confidence to put your neck on the block as the last line of defence.

I was never the most technically gifted keeper. There were far better shotstoppers than I ever was. There were far better keepers at dealing with cross balls, and there were far more impressive physical specimens than me (not as handsome though). My strength could be found in two specific areas: I talked my way through games and had a constant flow of dialogue with my teammates and the second big attribute I had was that I did not give two fucks about anything.

I didn't like conceding goals and I took it personally, but even if I threw one in - I just got back up and didn't let it affect me one way or another.

In my humble opinion - it is confidence and arrogance that will decide how good a goalkeeper you are.

Buffon was/is a reasonable keeper, but forget the hype - he was as dodgy as a ten-bob note. It was/is his confidence, arrogance and self-belief that set him apart from the majority of his contemporaries.

Much has been made of our current keeper and what makes his position all the more daunting is that we are directly comparing him to Fraser Forster. However - those of us who can recall Fraser's first season will likely remember that his early performances were questionable and he didn't look altogether convincing. It wasn't until the Ne'ers day game at the midden that he started to inspire a bit of confidence and even then, he still had a few dodgy games in the run-in. We were absolutely awful in Inverness, but Fraser had a 'mare that night and the league would eventually be lost as a consequence.

Barkas cost the club a lot of money, but more than any other position - the importance of being able to clearly communicate with your defence is never more necessary than when you're a keeper. It takes time to forge that bond and it is nowhere near being cemented as it currently stands. A lot has been made of his apparent inability to come up with critical saves, but my argument has always been that (with strong communication) a keeper shouldn't have too many saves to make in the first instance.

Barkas will need time to grow into the shirt; unfortunately - Celtic don't have a lot of time to allow that transition to naturally develop. Scott Bain is a good goalkeeper, but he is not a genuine Celtic No.1. For Barkas to develop at the required rate, he needs a stable, consistent defence that plays in a settled formation. His defenders need to be defenders first and not expose him to unnecessary danger. He needs to work on his English and coach these players in front of him through games and he needs to understand the emphasis on crossing in Scottish football.

Being a goalkeeper isn't easy. Being a goalkeeper for Celtic multiplies the difficulty by three due to the expectations. There aren't many hiding places at Celtic Park, but he might just need that one massive matchwinning game to give him the confidence to be a Celtic keeper.

I'll keep the faith a while longer, but he's on a steep learning curve and he needs to learn very quickly.
Great insight SP. I might be wrong but I think there is a decent keeper there too and once we get some stability in defence and he gets a good confidence boost then he will shine.
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
I am/was a goalkeeper. It wasn't by design, it was decided purely on the fact that I was a terrible footballer.

Once I committed to being a keeper, I didn't have any regrets and loved the responsibility and the high stakes that went with the position.

I earned money from being a goalkeeper and I still ponder the 'what might have beens' if I didn't rupture my knee ligaments at 17. I kicked my last meaningful ball at 25 and have spent the last 25-years boring pub punters into submission about the 'nearly' times.

As a goalkeeper during the 80's and 90's, you knew that you were going to get badly hurt at least three times per match. You knew you were going to 'get it', but you also knew that you had a bit more licence to 'give it' back as well.

I think goalkeeping is a completely different discipline in football. It is a unique role that cannot be determined by the way you might judge an outfield player. Modern goalkeeping tends to focus on physicality, stature and presence, but the actual art of goalkeeping has been lost due to specialist coaching and a heavy concentration on technique. What coaching cannot provide is the fearlessness and courage to be a goalkeeper. It cannot provide you with the arrogance or confidence to put your neck on the block as the last line of defence.

I was never the most technically gifted keeper. There were far better shotstoppers than I ever was. There were far better keepers at dealing with cross balls, and there were far more impressive physical specimens than me (not as handsome though). My strength could be found in two specific areas: I talked my way through games and had a constant flow of dialogue with my teammates and the second big attribute I had was that I did not give two fucks about anything.

I didn't like conceding goals and I took it personally, but even if I threw one in - I just got back up and didn't let it affect me one way or another.

In my humble opinion - it is confidence and arrogance that will decide how good a goalkeeper you are.

Buffon was/is a reasonable keeper, but forget the hype - he was as dodgy as a ten-bob note. It was/is his confidence, arrogance and self-belief that set him apart from the majority of his contemporaries.

Much has been made of our current keeper and what makes his position all the more daunting is that we are directly comparing him to Fraser Forster. However - those of us who can recall Fraser's first season will likely remember that his early performances were questionable and he didn't look altogether convincing. It wasn't until the Ne'ers day game at the midden that he started to inspire a bit of confidence and even then, he still had a few dodgy games in the run-in. We were absolutely awful in Inverness, but Fraser had a 'mare that night and the league would eventually be lost as a consequence.

Barkas cost the club a lot of money, but more than any other position - the importance of being able to clearly communicate with your defence is never more necessary than when you're a keeper. It takes time to forge that bond and it is nowhere near being cemented as it currently stands. A lot has been made of his apparent inability to come up with critical saves, but my argument has always been that (with strong communication) a keeper shouldn't have too many saves to make in the first instance.

Barkas will need time to grow into the shirt; unfortunately - Celtic don't have a lot of time to allow that transition to naturally develop. Scott Bain is a good goalkeeper, but he is not a genuine Celtic No.1. For Barkas to develop at the required rate, he needs a stable, consistent defence that plays in a settled formation. His defenders need to be defenders first and not expose him to unnecessary danger. He needs to work on his English and coach these players in front of him through games and he needs to understand the emphasis on crossing in Scottish football.

Being a goalkeeper isn't easy. Being a goalkeeper for Celtic multiplies the difficulty by three due to the expectations. There aren't many hiding places at Celtic Park, but he might just need that one massive matchwinning game to give him the confidence to be a Celtic keeper.

I'll keep the faith a while longer, but he's on a steep learning curve and he needs to learn very quickly.
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TET

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I think he is a good keeper.

But he isn't having good time at minute.

Coulda done better a couple of times.

But the defence is shambolic as a whole, imo.

We have had weak exposed flanks especially against useful teams for long time. The formation we use is weak against strong teams, imo.

We had Lustig international Swedish multi title winner at right back, but he wasn't that great in last couple of seasons. Even he struggled against better quality wingers.

But I really dont think we have made an improvement at right back, if Frimpong is the best we have.

He is high quality dribbler and maybe if he gets his passing part fixed then he is a great right mid. But defensively he is nowhere near level of Lustig and Lustig was a problem player at times against quick fast direct wingers.

Laxalt looks like a decent replacement for Tierney style dynamic left back but again he was too far forward on their attacks to support defence, imo.

Ajer is not a natural centre back for me and isn't really champions league standard player yet, physically not strong enough or stable enough to be a last ditch defender in that system.

he might look much stronger with a proper left back on his left.

But if Frimpong is better than el hamed at right back we need major improvement on that right flank as well in defence.

I dont like 3 man defence. my personal dislike but if you have very dangerous delivery from wingbacks then it can work and hurt teams.

But I dont see any real dangerous crosses from our wide players. In fact their passing is that ordinary they often gift opps ball and expose our width even worse by having everybody out of position on bad pass.

I dont think many keepers would have done much better on most of the goals we lost in recent months.

As much as I like Bain I dont think he would have done any better. But who knows? Maybe needs a chance to get Barkas to up his game if thats an issue.

we have some tactical issues imo

but keeper aint really our weakness imo

midfield is dysfunctional imo because our flanks are exposed permanently and its pulling the cm too wide to cover the runs of wbs

Wb role is dysfunctional so that compensation by mids to support flanks leaves big hole in middle of park

And imo, the 3 at back isn't stronger than 2 and doesn't get support from width of midfield who are caught in-between positions too often

its a really stupid formation imo

doesn't create many chances in dangerous areas
doesn't prevent dangerous attacks, in fact encourages opps to expose it
And midfield is weaker and more drained
defence is weaker and exposed
And attack cant muster shots without functioning midfield and wings.

Barkas may not have had good game but I think any keeper exposed to that support system would struggle.
 

Lubos left peg

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I think he is a good keeper.

But he isn't having good time at minute.

Coulda done better a couple of times.

But the defence is shambolic as a whole, imo.

We have had weak exposed flanks especially against useful teams for long time. The formation we use is weak against strong teams, imo.

We had Lustig international Swedish multi title winner at right back, but he wasn't that great in last couple of seasons. Even he struggled against better quality wingers.

But I really dont think we have made an improvement at right back, if Frimpong is the best we have.

He is high quality dribbler and maybe if he gets his passing part fixed then he is a great right mid. But defensively he is nowhere near level of Lustig and Lustig was a problem player at times against quick fast direct wingers.

Laxalt looks like a decent replacement for Tierney style dynamic left back but again he was too far forward on their attacks to support defence, imo.

Ajer is not a natural centre back for me and isn't really champions league standard player yet, physically not strong enough or stable enough to be a last ditch defender in that system.

he might look much stronger with a proper left back on his left.

But if Frimpong is better than el hamed at right back we need major improvement on that right flank as well in defence.

I dont like 3 man defence. my personal dislike but if you have very dangerous delivery from wingbacks then it can work and hurt teams.

But I dont see any real dangerous crosses from our wide players. In fact their passing is that ordinary they often gift opps ball and expose our width even worse by having everybody out of position on bad pass.

I dont think many keepers would have done much better on most of the goals we lost in recent months.

As much as I like Bain I dont think he would have done any better. But who knows? Maybe needs a chance to get Barkas to up his game if thats an issue.

we have some tactical issues imo

but keeper aint really our weakness imo

midfield is dysfunctional imo because our flanks are exposed permanently and its pulling the cm too wide to cover the runs of wbs

Wb role is dysfunctional so that compensation by mids to support flanks leaves big hole in middle of park

And imo, the 3 at back isn't stronger than 2 and doesn't get support from width of midfield who are caught in-between positions too often

its a really stupid formation imo

doesn't create many chances in dangerous areas
doesn't prevent dangerous attacks, in fact encourages opps to expose it
And midfield is weaker and more drained
defence is weaker and exposed
And attack cant muster shots without functioning midfield and wings.

Barkas may not have had good game but I think any keeper exposed to that support system would struggle.

I know its very easy to be an armchair manager. And talking a good tactical game is far easier than implementing one but your posts on Celtics set up, imo, have been 100% on the mark TET. So why can't our management or coaching staff see it.

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SalopCelt

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Having been a keeper also, a lot of what you said in your post really chimed with me. Agree totally with pretty much everything you say - I think he just needs one big save to get a bit of confidence going. People need to forget what all the idiots say - he hasn鈥檛 been at fault for any goals - just needs to get a bit of confidence going to make some of those saves.

The only thing I don鈥檛 agree with in your post - Buffon, dodgy?? Seriously? Give your head a wobble! 馃ぃ馃ぃ
 

Docco

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At this moment, I don't think he looks angry or menacing enough to be a kerper...I think he's too slight of build and minimal facial hair is a factor ...he also needs to learn basic Glaswegian by that I mean start everything he shouts to defenders and opposition players with the word "fucking" and end it with "man" ...he seems far too sensible....just an observation
Great original post though SP 馃槑馃憤
 

TET

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I know its very easy to be an armchair manager. And talking a good tactical game is far easier than implementing one but your posts on Celtics set up, imo, have been 100% on the mark TET. So why can't our management or coaching staff see it.

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I think they can

but I assume they are on an elite level of tactics and are adamant that their choice works.

Deila had system that he thought fits all

so he bought players he thought were good enough but perhaps not used to his particular positions

he assumed they would evolve into his system over time.

But that time factor is hard bit to gauge.

Some players will get new system quickly some slowly and some are so stuck in their own idea of their role that they just dont ever fit the system.

Now if you have the money you can speed that process up in theory by buying guys who already play your system and play that position very well

But lennon and deli didn't do that

they bought players and tried changing/tweaking their preferred position to fit their system.

MON and Rodgers refuse to buy any old dude he must already have the skillset for his system.

But those already high grade specific players cost top wages.

I assume my assessment is amateur

And Lenny having played game and managed has much better ideas on reality of management

but he is pig headed enough to stick with what he wants even if its no working.

Strachan was opposite

he took players put them in their best position and his formation was different every game

if he played two df m they played dfm

if he picked an am he played attacking mid

he didn't try fit them into a special system


now theory suggests if you persevere with same system long enough the players will eventually get stronger and stronger if they are good players

but morale and fans can get impatient and lose trust if its no working fast enough

and thats when manager gets flaky and starts doubting himself and trying random stuff

Gerrard stuck with his system over over over and now his players fit his system quite well, but long periods they lacked cohesive gel

the hardest bit in management is keeping players motivated

and sometimes the same system fails through human ups downs

lennon must rate his system

I dont

but he is manager and picks team

can I do the stuff he does well

no chance

can I talk a good game in reflection having watched over and over

well I see patterns but doesn't mean I have any better answers

I just like sharing my thoughts since im mental

:p:p:p:p:p
 

Docco

Well-known member
I think they can

but I assume they are on an elite level of tactics and are adamant that their choice works.

Deila had system that he thought fits all

so he bought players he thought were good enough but perhaps not used to his particular positions

he assumed they would evolve into his system over time.

But that time factor is hard bit to gauge.

Some players will get new system quickly some slowly and some are so stuck in their own idea of their role that they just dont ever fit the system.

Now if you have the money you can speed that process up in theory by buying guys who already play your system and play that position very well

But lennon and deli didn't do that

they bought players and tried changing/tweaking their preferred position to fit their system.

MON and Rodgers refuse to buy any old dude he must already have the skillset for his system.

But those already high grade specific players cost top wages.

I assume my assessment is amateur

And Lenny having played game and managed has much better ideas on reality of management

but he is pig headed enough to stick with what he wants even if its no working.

Strachan was opposite

he took players put them in their best position and his formation was different every game

if he played two df m they played dfm

if he picked an am he played attacking mid

he didn't try fit them into a special system


now theory suggests if you persevere with same system long enough the players will eventually get stronger and stronger if they are good players

but morale and fans can get impatient and lose trust if its no working fast enough

and thats when manager gets flaky and starts doubting himself and trying random stuff

Gerrard stuck with his system over over over and now his players fit his system quite well, but long periods they lacked cohesive gel

the hardest bit in management is keeping players motivated

and sometimes the same system fails through human ups downs

lennon must rate his system

I dont

but he is manager and picks team

can I do the stuff he does well

no chance

can I talk a good game in reflection having watched over and over

well I see patterns but doesn't mean I have any better answers

I just like sharing my thoughts since im mental

:p:p:p:p:p

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the great jc

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Is Fraser still available, 'cause I don't think we would have needed to spend so much on other outfield players if Forster had come back.
Not sure if FF has been named in any side this season let alone been on the bench.
Don't think Barkas has it or the quality, at this moment to help us for this particular season.

Its vital we get a keeper who is quality and knows what to expect from our guys around him.

If we can get rid of our anger at him not interested in being a Celtic legend while going for the Ten, and spend the money buying him in January, it might not be too late to do 10iar.

Whats the thoughts guys?
 

TET

Well-known member
Is Fraser still available, 'cause I don't think we would have needed to spend so much on other outfield players if Forster had come back.
Not sure if FF has been named in any side this season let alone been on the bench.
Don't think Barkas has it or the quality, at this moment to help us for this particular season.

Its vital we get a keeper who is quality and knows what to expect from our guys around him.

If we can get rid of our anger at him not interested in being a Celtic legend while going for the Ten, and spend the money buying him in January, it might not be too late to do 10iar.

Whats the thoughts guys?
Think that boat has sailed

Besides if we had just kept FF and no signed Elyounoussi Duffy etc we would been raging.

I dont think Barkas is the main issue, tbh

the pict style of football

where we charge naked into battle with the highland charge will still get cut to shreds against properly armoured opposition

Charge like worsel gumnedge lads and if its not working roar louder

Might also be the big crowds intimidate these bigger teams when your on full loco charge.

I remember a scene in Indiana jones where the big sword fighter with the fancy moves does his stuff and dr jones looks and pulls out his gun and all that razzamataz was fancy but hey wasn't prepared for a gunfight

Barkas or Bain are good keepers

they cant make defence play better and although big Forster probably had at least one of the goals saved I doubt the extra 50k would been worth it coz it wouldn't have been the deciding factor if we dont score more goals than we concede

besides im sure he was costing 15 million plus massive wages
 

Tony Soprano

Well-known member
Is Fraser still available, 'cause I don't think we would have needed to spend so much on other outfield players if Forster had come back.
Not sure if FF has been named in any side this season let alone been on the bench.
Don't think Barkas has it or the quality, at this moment to help us for this particular season.

Its vital we get a keeper who is quality and knows what to expect from our guys around him.

If we can get rid of our anger at him not interested in being a Celtic legend while going for the Ten, and spend the money buying him in January, it might not be too late to do 10iar.

Whats the thoughts guys?
He had his chance JC more interested in the dosh,fuck him
 

boab1916

Well-known member
I am/was a goalkeeper. It wasn't by design, it was decided purely on the fact that I was a terrible footballer.

Once I committed to being a keeper, I didn't have any regrets and loved the responsibility and the high stakes that went with the position.

I earned money from being a goalkeeper and I still ponder the 'what might have beens' if I didn't rupture my knee ligaments at 17. I kicked my last meaningful ball at 25 and have spent the last 25-years boring pub punters into submission about the 'nearly' times.

As a goalkeeper during the 80's and 90's, you knew that you were going to get badly hurt at least three times per match. You knew you were going to 'get it', but you also knew that you had a bit more licence to 'give it' back as well.

I think goalkeeping is a completely different discipline in football. It is a unique role that cannot be determined by the way you might judge an outfield player. Modern goalkeeping tends to focus on physicality, stature and presence, but the actual art of goalkeeping has been lost due to specialist coaching and a heavy concentration on technique. What coaching cannot provide is the fearlessness and courage to be a goalkeeper. It cannot provide you with the arrogance or confidence to put your neck on the block as the last line of defence.

I was never the most technically gifted keeper. There were far better shotstoppers than I ever was. There were far better keepers at dealing with cross balls, and there were far more impressive physical specimens than me (not as handsome though). My strength could be found in two specific areas: I talked my way through games and had a constant flow of dialogue with my teammates and the second big attribute I had was that I did not give two fucks about anything.

I didn't like conceding goals and I took it personally, but even if I threw one in - I just got back up and didn't let it affect me one way or another.

In my humble opinion - it is confidence and arrogance that will decide how good a goalkeeper you are.

Buffon was/is a reasonable keeper, but forget the hype - he was as dodgy as a ten-bob note. It was/is his confidence, arrogance and self-belief that set him apart from the majority of his contemporaries.

Much has been made of our current keeper and what makes his position all the more daunting is that we are directly comparing him to Fraser Forster. However - those of us who can recall Fraser's first season will likely remember that his early performances were questionable and he didn't look altogether convincing. It wasn't until the Ne'ers day game at the midden that he started to inspire a bit of confidence and even then, he still had a few dodgy games in the run-in. We were absolutely awful in Inverness, but Fraser had a 'mare that night and the league would eventually be lost as a consequence.

Barkas cost the club a lot of money, but more than any other position - the importance of being able to clearly communicate with your defence is never more necessary than when you're a keeper. It takes time to forge that bond and it is nowhere near being cemented as it currently stands. A lot has been made of his apparent inability to come up with critical saves, but my argument has always been that (with strong communication) a keeper shouldn't have too many saves to make in the first instance.

Barkas will need time to grow into the shirt; unfortunately - Celtic don't have a lot of time to allow that transition to naturally develop. Scott Bain is a good goalkeeper, but he is not a genuine Celtic No.1. For Barkas to develop at the required rate, he needs a stable, consistent defence that plays in a settled formation. His defenders need to be defenders first and not expose him to unnecessary danger. He needs to work on his English and coach these players in front of him through games and he needs to understand the emphasis on crossing in Scottish football.

Being a goalkeeper isn't easy. Being a goalkeeper for Celtic multiplies the difficulty by three due to the expectations. There aren't many hiding places at Celtic Park, but he might just need that one massive matchwinning game to give him the confidence to be a Celtic keeper.

I'll keep the faith a while longer, but he's on a steep learning curve and he needs to learn very quickly.
Steve Woods will know how good Barkass, after all its his job to know, regardless of the price tag he would not be in if the coach never rated him, Paddy Bonner was not the immediate success either come to think of it, Goalkeepers mature as they grow into the position, Gordon with Hearts had a few howlers, none more so when he surrendered a Hearts two goal neerday lead to us and to Stephen McManus hit and hope.
 

John n贸

Well-known member
Steve Woods will know how good Barkass, after all its his job to know, regardless of the price tag he would not be in if the coach never rated him, Paddy Bonner was not the immediate success either come to think of it, Goalkeepers mature as they grow into the position, Gordon with Hearts had a few howlers, none more so when he surrendered a Hearts two goal neerday lead to us and to Stephen McManus hit and hope.
Would you say Steve Woods and John Kennedy even talk to one another as this area of the field needs sorting out as a matter of urgency as a decent ball into our box nowadays has panic for us wrote all over it
 

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