Green brigade songbook

#1
Getting sick of hearing pro I.r.a songs week in week out. No need for them at football.
I understand there are people who think it's great to hear them. Not everyone shares thay opinion.
Would prefer we stuck to football related songs.
Before someone mentions them over the other side, I couldn't give two fks what they do. I am a Celtic supporter not interested in them.
 
#4
I must confess that the GB have been generally really creative around producing songs for Sinclair, KT, McGregor and Armstrong in recent times - some of the songs are first class. Yes I get a bit depressed that we still get some pro IRA stuff but I am 57 years old and it is a wee bit tiresome. I hate when Europeans come over to hear 'Celtic Celtic there the team for me (repeat 20 times) Celtic Celtic buy a shirt or three' music blare from our PA. We should be forward thinking and cutting edge. Thought the GB video at the end of the season with music from 'The Heavy' was first class. My wife and I also are amazed at the effort and artistic genius that goes into the banners and has been a new attraction at games.

The fact that the GB support the Palestinian cause and other fights against oppression around the world makes me proud to be a Celtic supporter. We must be one of the few clubs with a Conservative Board and Socialist fan base. (y) So I kinda agree but with conditions :cool:
 

Maestro

Active member
#5
Can't speak highly enough of the Green Brigade! They are absolutely fantastic! Got no problem with IRA songs at Paradise, seems very churlish to be blaming the Green Brigade, maybe want to go back to graveyard atmosphere that used to exist before the Green Brigade where you used to feel like a spare prick at a wedding just for singing the Celtic song! We're extremely lucky to have an intelligent and very creative guys n girls as are the Green Brigade, back them 100%
 
#9
I like the Green Brigade for the atmosphere they bring and the fantastic tifos the create but I'm not a fan of IRA songs being sung. So as an adult I make the conscious decision to not sing them. Whether anyone else does is simply a decision for them. And since it won't be long to poppy season we can all have our annual argument about that too. I look forward to the threads.
 

TET

Well-known member
#10
Heres my two bobs worth on rebel songs.

Lyrically most of them are about ethical resistance in one shape or form.
There are some rebel songs (off the top of my head I can't actually think of their title) that are really not fit for open public consumption.

They remind me of the struggle that my Irish ancestors fought and died for, and well, they may not be for all Celtic fans, since not all Celtic fans have irish ancestors, but I do think they are relevant reminders of much more oppressive regimes that administered these Islands once called the UK.

Most of these songs have real history in them that should never be forgotten. And although they don't represent Celtic they do represent a lot of the inner anger of lots of Celtic fans with Irish roots.

Personally I love some of the not so politically correct tunes that erupted into being in the 70's and 80's, but even most of these songs are historical songs to highlight what the MSM in those days refused to address.

But the ancient songs from around the 1916 rising and later the irish civil war period after partition and even the even older historical tunes are really a perspective of what our society pretends didn't really happen.

Now I can see why some people might not feel close to these songs and might think its not really for this period in the history of Celtic minded people, but nonetheless I think these songs are mostly valid songs, in my opinion, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever singing these songs in Irish pubs and other venues, and that includes Celtic park.

They are part of my history and its part of history that I share with lots of other Celtic fans in and around the stadium. Ethical resistance to oppression is moral and even if its denied by society as immoral, then I think its time to think clearly what these people wrote these songs about and for whom.

Now I am open to persuasion that certain of these songs are not fit for public consumption. But of the hundreds of rebels songs I have heard over the years I have yet to find more than couple that could be interpreted as condoning unethical resistance.

Now you might ask but whats it got to do with Celtic per se. Nought really, but its has a lot to do remembering the damaged hearts, minds and psyche of 100s thousands of people who just so happen to be Celtic supporters.

Im deeply proud of some of these so called terrorists for their stand against wilful oppression of an entire country for hundreds of years. And even after they were displaced deliberately through starvation to other countries/continents the persecution didn't end. The evil regime that called itself the British Empire had poisoned the minds of most of its colonies, like here in Scotland for instance to hate Irish people simply because they were forcibly impoverished through their faith and language and customs.

And just incase you didn't know Celtic was formed to help feed the children of these forcibly impoverished and oppressed peoples who had also been forced to abandon their homeland to find some food. The Richest Empire in the world starved the people in its own UK. Even starved the veterans of the most famous War that Britain probably won, The battle of Waterloo was victorious and it was led by an Irishman and an army that came 75 percent from Ireland. And not 30 years later most of these ex heros of UK were starved to death by their psycho masters in Westminster purely because well they could sell corn for more to other people than people who had no money. And why did they have no money. They weren't allowed to work most jobs or own mostly any property simply because they had a more ancient faith.

So forgive me when I love these songs that remind me not to forget the terrible oppression of my people at the stadium I love which helped feed my family and friends ancestors when they needed it most.

And to this day while Celtic fans sing about ethical resistance the scum sing about glorying in the oppression murder and torture of my peoples through history.

Lest we forget

Aye indeed exactly right lest we forget that at any moment these rancid psychos will do it all over again just for kicks.

And then we will need people like Michael Collins, Tom Barry, Padraig Pearce, James Connolly, Robert Emmet, Wolfetone etc etc etc to stand up for the innocent people these madmen want to die.

Worth also remembering that when most of irish ancestors came here they already lived in UK. But still we hear songs about going home having lived here for 150 years hated and detested just for being forced to come here to get something to eat because these same people starved us out of our own country.

You don't like the songs. I do. I love the purely celtic songs too, but the rebel songs for me anyway will always be part of my irish and celtic ancestry.

And i do it by choice. While i don't believe blowing innocent people up is just. I do condone ethical resistance against slavery and oppression.

Thanks for reading.

I hope i didn't offend anyone, but if somehow i did then I apologise, but thats just my plain and simple point of view.

Like i said I'm open to persuasion

But most of the rebel songs are fit for public consumption even if the public in this country don't want to hear about the things they did to their own members of the UK just coz they were Irish.
 
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#11
Heres my two bobs worth on rebel songs.

Lyrically most of them are about ethical resistance in one shape or form.
There are some rebel songs (off the top of my head I can't actually think of their title) that are really not fit for open public consumption.

They remind me of the struggle that my Irish ancestors fought and died for and well they may not be for all Celtic fans, since not all Celtic fans have irish ancestors, but I do think they are relevant reminders of much more oppressive regimes that administered these Islands once called the UK.

Most of these songs have real history in them that should never be forgotten. And although they don't represent Celtic they do represent a lot of the inner anger of lots of Celtic fans with Irish roots.

Personally I love some of the not so politically correct tunes that erupted into being in the 70's and 80's, but even most of these songs are historical songs to highlight what the MSM in those days refused to address.

But the ancient songs from around the 1916 rising and later the irish civil war period after partition and even the even older historical tunes are really a perspective of what our society pretends didn't really happen.

Now I can see why some people might not feel close to these songs and might think its not really for this period in the history of Celtic minded people, but nonetheless I think these songs are mostly valid songs, in my opinion, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever singing these songs in Irish pubs and other venues, and that includes Celtic park.

They are part of my history and its part of history that I share with lots of other Celtic fans in and around the stadium. Ethical resistance to oppression is moral and even if its denied by society as moral, then I think its time to think clearly what these people wrote these songs about and for whom.

Now I am open to persuasion that certain of these songs are not fit for public consumption. But of the hundreds of rebels songs I have heard over the years I have yet to find more than couple that could be interpreted as condoning unethical resistance.

Now you might ask but whats it got to do with Celtic per se. Nought really but its has a lot to do wishing the damaged hearts minds and psyche of 100s thousands of people who just so happen to be Celtic supporters.

Im deeply proud of some of these so called terrorists for their stand against wilful oppression of an entire country for hundreds of years. And even after they were displaced deliberately through starvation to other continents the persecution didn't end. The evil regime that called itself the British Empire had poisoned the minds of most of its colonies, like here in Scotland for instance to hate Irish people simply because they were forcibly impoverished through their faith and language and customs.

And just incase you didn't know Celtic was formed to help feed the children of these forcibly impoverished and oppressed peoples who had also been forced to abandon their homeland to find some food. The Richest Empire in the world starved the people in its own UK. Even starved the veterans of the most famous War that Britain probably won, The battle of trafalgar was victorious and it was led by an Irishman and an army that came 75 percent from Ireland. And not 30 years later most of these ex heros of UK were starved to death by their psycho masters in Westminster purely because well they could sell corn for more to other people than people who had no money. And why did they have no money. They weren't allowed to work most jobs or own mostly any property simply because they had a more ancient faith.

So forgive me when I love these songs that remind me not to forget the terrible oppression of my people at the stadium I love which helped feed my family and friends ancestors when they needed it most.

And to this day while Celtic fans sing about ethical resistance the scum sing about glorying in the oppression murder and torture of my peoples through history.

Lest we forget

Aye indeed exactly right lest we forget that at any moment these rancid psychos will do it all over again just for kicks.

And then we will need people like Michael Collins, Tom Barry, Padraig Pearce, James Connolly, Robert Emmet, Wolfetone etc etc etc to stand up for the innocent people these madmen want to die.

Worth also remembering that when most of irish ancestors came here they already lived in UK. But still we here songs about going home having lived here for 150 years hated and detested just for being forced to come here to get something to eat because these same people starved us out of our own country.

You don't like the songs. I do. I love the purely celtic songs too, but the rebel songs for me anyway will always be part of my irish and celtic ancestry.

And i do it be choice. And i don't believe blowing innocent people up is just. But i do condone ethical resistance against slavery and oppression.

Thanks for reading.

I hope i didn't offend anyone, but if somehow i did then I apologise, but thats just my plain and simple point of view.

Like i said I'm open to persuasion

But most of the rebel songs are fit for public consumption even if the public in this country don't want to here about the things the did to their own members of the UK just coz they were Irish.
As I said in my post I don't like them personally but you make some very valid points in your piece and found it an interesting read HH
 

TET

Well-known member
#12
Heres my two bobs worth on rebel songs.

Lyrically most of them are about ethical resistance in one shape or form.
There are some rebel songs (off the top of my head I can't actually think of their title) that are really not fit for open public consumption.

They remind me of the struggle that my Irish ancestors fought and died for, and well, they may not be for all Celtic fans, since not all Celtic fans have irish ancestors, but I do think they are relevant reminders of much more oppressive regimes that administered these Islands once called the UK.

Most of these songs have real history in them that should never be forgotten. And although they don't represent Celtic they do represent a lot of the inner anger of lots of Celtic fans with Irish roots.

Personally I love some of the not so politically correct tunes that erupted into being in the 70's and 80's, but even most of these songs are historical songs to highlight what the MSM in those days refused to address.

But the ancient songs from around the 1916 rising and later the irish civil war period after partition and even the even older historical tunes are really a perspective of what our society pretends didn't really happen.

Now I can see why some people might not feel close to these songs and might think its not really for this period in the history of Celtic minded people, but nonetheless I think these songs are mostly valid songs, in my opinion, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever singing these songs in Irish pubs and other venues, and that includes Celtic park.

They are part of my history and its part of history that I share with lots of other Celtic fans in and around the stadium. Ethical resistance to oppression is moral and even if its denied by society as immoral, then I think its time to think clearly what these people wrote these songs about and for whom.

Now I am open to persuasion that certain of these songs are not fit for public consumption. But of the hundreds of rebels songs I have heard over the years I have yet to find more than couple that could be interpreted as condoning unethical resistance.

Now you might ask but whats it got to do with Celtic per se. Nought really, but its has a lot to do remembering the damaged hearts, minds and psyche of 100s thousands of people who just so happen to be Celtic supporters.

Im deeply proud of some of these so called terrorists for their stand against wilful oppression of an entire country for hundreds of years. And even after they were displaced deliberately through starvation to other countries/continents the persecution didn't end. The evil regime that called itself the British Empire had poisoned the minds of most of its colonies, like here in Scotland for instance to hate Irish people simply because they were forcibly impoverished through their faith and language and customs.

And just incase you didn't know Celtic was formed to help feed the children of these forcibly impoverished and oppressed peoples who had also been forced to abandon their homeland to find some food. The Richest Empire in the world starved the people in its own UK. Even starved the veterans of the most famous War that Britain probably won, The battle of Waterloo was victorious and it was led by an Irishman and an army that came 75 percent from Ireland. And not 30 years later most of these ex heros of UK were starved to death by their psycho masters in Westminster purely because well they could sell corn for more to other people than people who had no money. And why did they have no money. They weren't allowed to work most jobs or own mostly any property simply because they had a more ancient faith.

So forgive me when I love these songs that remind me not to forget the terrible oppression of my people at the stadium I love which helped feed my family and friends ancestors when they needed it most.

And to this day while Celtic fans sing about ethical resistance the scum sing about glorying in the oppression murder and torture of my peoples through history.

Lest we forget

Aye indeed exactly right lest we forget that at any moment these rancid psychos will do it all over again just for kicks.

And then we will need people like Michael Collins, Tom Barry, Padraig Pearce, James Connolly, Robert Emmet, Wolfetone etc etc etc to stand up for the innocent people these madmen want to die.

Worth also remembering that when most of irish ancestors came here they already lived in UK. But still we hear songs about going home having lived here for 150 years hated and detested just for being forced to come here to get something to eat because these same people starved us out of our own country.

You don't like the songs. I do. I love the purely celtic songs too, but the rebel songs for me anyway will always be part of my irish and celtic ancestry.

And i do it by choice. While i don't believe blowing innocent people up is just. I do condone ethical resistance against slavery and oppression.

Thanks for reading.

I hope i didn't offend anyone, but if somehow i did then I apologise, but thats just my plain and simple point of view.

Like i said I'm open to persuasion

But most of the rebel songs are fit for public consumption even if the public in this country don't want to hear about the things they did to their own members of the UK just coz they were Irish.
Also worth noting the leaders of 1916 were branded traitors to the crown because the UK were in world war 1. The British army sent their Irish regiments to free Belgium and parts of France from occupation of germans, while their own country was in bondage. Then when the Irish voted 75 percent to secede from Uk, they partitioned Ireland under threat of all out war, armed the real terror gangs in Norn Iron and began the oppression of Catholic Irish in the north. Armed the UVF B men and made them reserve soldiers of the newly formed RUC.

And it was illegal for Catholics to have arms but UK government thought it was mighty OK to gerry mander elections and terrorise Catholics into the bog parts of towns and cities.

And while they looked down their loaded guns at people oppressed they called them terrorists for resisting, marched through the streets with their song books of shame and tunes of oppression.

And while that was happening in Norn Iron, their was no jobs in Glasgow after the war, so the tanks were sent to Glasgow to put the starving crowds in fear while Bigot Billy Fullerton and his razor gang went around slashing strikers who were picketing the low wages of the few who actually had jobs. And for whom the same people who thought fascism was a great thing, and guess who were the unemployed peoples in the 1920s in Glasgow, guess who were the people who had decent jobs, Guess who were the people being slashed by Billy blood razors. Thats right. But somehow our media to this day call it tit for tat. Call it just as bad as each other. And some Celtic fans don't really know much about the history of the people who loved Celtic even the ones born here.

Its a bit like jewish peoples making songs to remember the holocaust in germany. And the holocaust deniers take control of the MSM and tell everybody these holocaust songs are just as offensive as the nazi songs of glorifying the holocaust. To deny the irish rebels songs in my opinion would be same as people in Israel saying lets move on the Holocaust doesn't really affect the modern age. No need to remember what the holocaust deniers say didn't happen. In fact the holocaust deniers claim its them who have been wronged. Now put on your poppy to remember some of the peoples peepo who died in the wars past but those other one s should go home the famine is over.

But you'll never read anything like that in our MSM.
 

Digger

Active member
#13
Heres my two bobs worth on rebel songs.

Lyrically most of them are about ethical resistance in one shape or form.
There are some rebel songs (off the top of my head I can't actually think of their title) that are really not fit for open public consumption.

They remind me of the struggle that my Irish ancestors fought and died for, and well, they may not be for all Celtic fans, since not all Celtic fans have irish ancestors, but I do think they are relevant reminders of much more oppressive regimes that administered these Islands once called the UK.

Most of these songs have real history in them that should never be forgotten. And although they don't represent Celtic they do represent a lot of the inner anger of lots of Celtic fans with Irish roots.

Personally I love some of the not so politically correct tunes that erupted into being in the 70's and 80's, but even most of these songs are historical songs to highlight what the MSM in those days refused to address.

But the ancient songs from around the 1916 rising and later the irish civil war period after partition and even the even older historical tunes are really a perspective of what our society pretends didn't really happen.

Now I can see why some people might not feel close to these songs and might think its not really for this period in the history of Celtic minded people, but nonetheless I think these songs are mostly valid songs, in my opinion, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever singing these songs in Irish pubs and other venues, and that includes Celtic park.

They are part of my history and its part of history that I share with lots of other Celtic fans in and around the stadium. Ethical resistance to oppression is moral and even if its denied by society as immoral, then I think its time to think clearly what these people wrote these songs about and for whom.

Now I am open to persuasion that certain of these songs are not fit for public consumption. But of the hundreds of rebels songs I have heard over the years I have yet to find more than couple that could be interpreted as condoning unethical resistance.

Now you might ask but whats it got to do with Celtic per se. Nought really, but its has a lot to do remembering the damaged hearts, minds and psyche of 100s thousands of people who just so happen to be Celtic supporters.

Im deeply proud of some of these so called terrorists for their stand against wilful oppression of an entire country for hundreds of years. And even after they were displaced deliberately through starvation to other countries/continents the persecution didn't end. The evil regime that called itself the British Empire had poisoned the minds of most of its colonies, like here in Scotland for instance to hate Irish people simply because they were forcibly impoverished through their faith and language and customs.

And just incase you didn't know Celtic was formed to help feed the children of these forcibly impoverished and oppressed peoples who had also been forced to abandon their homeland to find some food. The Richest Empire in the world starved the people in its own UK. Even starved the veterans of the most famous War that Britain probably won, The battle of Waterloo was victorious and it was led by an Irishman and an army that came 75 percent from Ireland. And not 30 years later most of these ex heros of UK were starved to death by their psycho masters in Westminster purely because well they could sell corn for more to other people than people who had no money. And why did they have no money. They weren't allowed to work most jobs or own mostly any property simply because they had a more ancient faith.

So forgive me when I love these songs that remind me not to forget the terrible oppression of my people at the stadium I love which helped feed my family and friends ancestors when they needed it most.

And to this day while Celtic fans sing about ethical resistance the scum sing about glorying in the oppression murder and torture of my peoples through history.

Lest we forget

Aye indeed exactly right lest we forget that at any moment these rancid psychos will do it all over again just for kicks.

And then we will need people like Michael Collins, Tom Barry, Padraig Pearce, James Connolly, Robert Emmet, Wolfetone etc etc etc to stand up for the innocent people these madmen want to die.

Worth also remembering that when most of irish ancestors came here they already lived in UK. But still we hear songs about going home having lived here for 150 years hated and detested just for being forced to come here to get something to eat because these same people starved us out of our own country.

You don't like the songs. I do. I love the purely celtic songs too, but the rebel songs for me anyway will always be part of my irish and celtic ancestry.

And i do it by choice. While i don't believe blowing innocent people up is just. I do condone ethical resistance against slavery and oppression.

Thanks for reading.

I hope i didn't offend anyone, but if somehow i did then I apologise, but thats just my plain and simple point of view.

Like i said I'm open to persuasion

But most of the rebel songs are fit for public consumption even if the public in this country don't want to hear about the things they did to their own members of the UK just coz they were Irish.
Love this like you Celtic and Irish .songs part of my history in the old jungle songs of Irish decent were sung with gusto ,glad you mentioned Wolf Tone and Robert Emett both Non catholic who fought against the oppression of the Irish people,you can't change history.our club was formed to support the same Irish people we sing about
 

BILLCOWIE1958

Well-known member
#14
Getting sick of hearing pro I.r.a songs week in week out. No need for them at football.
I understand there are people who think it's great to hear them. Not everyone shares thay opinion.
Would prefer we stuck to football related songs.
Before someone mentions them over the other side, I couldn't give two fks what they do. I am a Celtic supporter not interested in them.
We have some BRILLIANT songs at Parkhead

'Walk On' for sheer adrenalin rush is my favourite
For emotion GRACE has no equaland although intrinsically a Rebel Song I could ot comprehend any Celtic minded person having a problem with that song being sung

Likewise the Fields of Athenrye although I well remember Ferry McNee (the voice of a football) taking great issue with it on the 90s

Let the People Sing linked with This Land are very stirring songs however I feel that songs like Broad Black Brimmer and Boys of the Old Brigade or Go On Home are just a little to political for a football match

We have SO Many fantastic songs which are suitable for matches we can sing to our hearts content without reverting to politics or terrorism It's not as if we only have 1 or 2 like many clubs do and are shit

In saying that I love going and watching Rebel Bands in clubs and bars where people KNOW what they are going to listen to and go wllingly

I'm no fuddy fuddy or prude and probably know the lyrics of most of the Rebel songs off by heart and indeed many that a lot of fellow fans may never have heard but there is a suitable time and place for them to be sung

So in brief Let's sing our songs but not songs that cause offence to others including our own fans

We are after all OFFICIALLY the greatest supporters in the world

HH๐Ÿ€
 

BILLCOWIE1958

Well-known member
#15
Also worth noting the leaders of 1916 were branded traitors to the crown because the UK were in world war 1. The British army sent their Irish regiments to free Belgium and parts of France from occupation of germans, while their own country was in bondage. Then when the Irish voted 75 percent to secede from Uk, they partitioned Ireland under threat of all out war, armed the real terror gangs in Norn Iron and began the oppression of Catholic Irish in the north. Armed the UVF B men and made them reserve soldiers of the newly formed RUC.

And it was illegal for Catholics to have arms but UK government thought it was mighty OK to gerry mander elections and terrorise Catholics into the bog parts of towns and cities.

And while they looked down their loaded guns at people oppressed they called them terrorists for resisting, marched through the streets with their song books of shame and tunes of oppression.

And while that was happening in Norn Iron, their was no jobs in Glasgow after the war, so the tanks were sent to Glasgow to put the starving crowds in fear while Bigot Billy Fullerton and his razor gang went around slashing strikers who were picketing the low wages of the few who actually had jobs. And for whom the same people who thought fascism was a great thing, and guess who were the unemployed peoples in the 1920s in Glasgow, guess who were the people who had decent jobs, Guess who were the people being slashed by Billy blood razors. Thats right. But somehow our media to this day call it tit for tat. Call it just as bad as each other. And some Celtic fans don't really know much about the history of the people who loved Celtic even the ones born here.

Its a bit like jewish peoples making songs to remember the holocaust in germany. And the holocaust deniers take control of the MSM and tell everybody these holocaust songs are just as offensive as the nazi songs of glorifying the holocaust. To deny the irish rebels songs in my opinion would be same as people in Israel saying lets move on the Holocaust doesn't really affect the modern age. No need to remember what the holocaust deniers say didn't happen. In fact the holocaust deniers claim its them who have been wronged. Now put on your poppy to remember some of the peoples peepo who died in the wars past but those other one s should go home the famine is over.

But you'll never read anything like that in our MSM.
Who in their right ming reads MSN anyway?

HH๐Ÿ€
 

TET

Well-known member
#16
We have some BRILLIANT songs at Parkhead

'Walk On' for sheer adrenalin rush is my favourite
For emotion GRACE has no equaland although intrinsically a Rebel Song I could ot comprehend any Celtic minded person having a problem with that song being sung

Likewise the Fields of Athenrye although I well remember Ferry McNee (the voice of a football) taking great issue with it on the 90s

Let the People Sing linked with This Land are very stirring songs however I feel that songs like Broad Black Brimmer and Boys of the Old Brigade or Go On Home are just a little to political for a football match

We have SO Many fantastic songs which are suitable for matches we can sing to our hearts content without reverting to politics or terrorism It's not as if we only have 1 or 2 like many clubs do and are shit

In saying that I love going and watching Rebel Bands in clubs and bars where people KNOW what they are going to listen to and go wllingly

I'm no fuddy fuddy or prude and probably know the lyrics of most of the Rebel songs off by heart and indeed many that a lot of fellow fans may never have heard but there is a suitable time and place for them to be sung

So in brief Let's sing our songs but not songs that cause offence to others including our own fans

We are after all OFFICIALLY the greatest supporters in the world

HH๐Ÿ€
Im sure you will find even some of the songs you mentioned will offend someone somewhere. But being offended at songs that are anti oppression is the whole point. They have been branded sectarian by certain sections of society and therefore just as offensive as songs glorifying oppression slashing and murder.

ethical resistance for me is part of Celtic. Just like the political stance against the oppressive regime against palestine. Ironic that they were oppressed in similar fashion not that long ago.

I really don't think political songs and especially songs of remembering resistance to oppression should ever be banned in society. Any song that glorifies murder should. That is the distinction Im trying to make. Nearly anything could be construed as political one way or another. Grace, fields of athenrye are clearly political but not offensive or at least shouldn't be. But neither should broad black Brimmer.

Churchill is remembered in Britain as a hero. But in 1920s Cork he torched that city because they couldn't find a handful of men who were guerrilla warfarin and sharing the few guns they had resisting the dreaded essex regiment who were running amok terrorising people.

Even purely celtic songs could be construed as offensive to somebody. So where does the line get drawn. Im not even sure being offensive is outright classifiable in some instances.

Should people frustrated and had a few shandies and swear outlaid be banned from the stadium?

If there are specific songs with offensive lyrics then identify the offensive lyrics and then outlaw those songs or at least those parts like Hello Hello has been. But What exactly offends you about Broad black Brimmer. A memorial song about a bloke who fought for his countries freedom against a heinous occupation with no real justification or justice.
 

TET

Well-known member
#18
The British army burned cork looking for 140 IRA men some of which wore Broad Black Brimmers. The people of the city claimed they didn't know who the Army were looking for so the army set about torching building after building causing millions pounds worth damage as well as indiscriminately beating lumps out of people that complained. For years the british high command denied it gave the order or even it was british that had destroyed the place. Instead saying it was the 140 guys they were looking for who did it. Later the truth came out. No-one was prosecuted. Allegedly it was Oked by Churchill who was London controller and authority at time.

Now if thats true should Churchill be an offensive word and downgraded from hero to sadist. Im sure the innocent people torched in Dresden in 2nd world war by churhills command after peace was signed would like justice. That also offends me. And no-one in the army or air force or government was prosecuted.

Now i have absolutely no objection to anyone wearing a poppy although it deeply offends me to think what a poppy actually represents. Is that another hidden in plain sight Masonic Symbol. Was 2nd world war partly about who would control the poppy fields, and hence the opium trade. Britain again has a dark history of opium trade, destroying food fields in India to make opium to sell to chinese at gunboat point. Maybe just maybe afghanistan taliban burning the poppy fields had some bearing on the wars to find the bogey man.

War offends me. Remembering dead does not. But poppy is a weird symbol to remember people who gave their life for freedom. Poppy represents anything but freedom.

Anyway here a an old clip from footage of the cork destruction by some heros against some terrorists, or did i get that wrong way round.

Broad black Brimmer of the old IRA is equivalent to headwear of Belgian and french and polish resistance. Would Germans have the right to be offended if the ww2 resistance against nazi germany sang songs about atrocities against them at hands of an invading oppressive unwelcome occupying force. MSM and British propaganda will tell you IRA are terrorists. And the actions of the PIRA were not my cup of tea. But the broad black trimmer of IRA fills my heart with hope. Hope that good people are willing to stand up for their rights under extreme duress even when the propaganda machine of the empire oppressing them tries to justify their war crimes against people seeking their own freedom in their ancient homeland that had been invaded and imposed under military monopoly of violence.

 
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The British army burned cork looking for 140 IRA men some of which wore Broad Black Brimmers. The people of the city claimed they didn't know who the Army were looking for so the army set about torching building after building causing millions pounds worth damage as well as indiscriminately beating lumps out of people that complained. For years the british high command denied it gave the order or even it was british that had destroyed the place. Instead saying it was the 140 guys they were looking for who did it. Later the truth came out. No-one was prosecuted. Allegedly it was Oked by Churchill who was London controller and authority at time.

Now if thats true should Churchill be an offensive word and downgraded from hero to sadist. Im sure the innocent people torched in Dresden in 2nd world war by churhills command after peace was signed. That also offends me. And no-one in the army or air force or government was prosecuted.

Now i have absolutely no objection to anyone wearing a poppy although it deeply offends me to think what a poppy actually !represents. Is that another hidden in plain sight Masonic Symbol. Was 2nd world war partly about who would control the poppy fields, and hence the opium trade. Britain again has a dark history of opium trade, destroying food fields in India to make opium to sell to chinese at gunboat point. Maybe just maybe afghanistan taliban burning the poppy fields had some bearing on the wars to find the bogey man.

War offends me. Remembering dead does not. But poppy is a weird symbol to remember people who gave their life for freedom. Poppy represents anything but freedom.

Anyway here a an old clip from footage of the cork destruction by some heros against some terrorists, or did i get that wrong way round.

Broad black Brimmer of the old IRA is equivalent to headwear of Belgian and french and polish resistance. Would Germans have the right to be offended if the ww2 resistance against nazi germany sang songs about atrocities against them at hands of an invading oppressive unwelcome occupying force. MSM and British propaganda will tell you IRA are terrorists. And the actions of the PIRA were not my cup of tea. But the broad black trimmer of IRA fills my heart with hope. Hope that good people are willing to stand up for their rights under extreme duress even when the propaganda machine of the empire oppressing them tries to justify their war crimes against people seeking their own freedom in their ancient homeland that had been invaded and imposed under military monopoly of violence.

very well said !
 

The Deadner

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We have some BRILLIANT songs at Parkhead

'Walk On' for sheer adrenalin rush is my favourite
For emotion GRACE has no equaland although intrinsically a Rebel Song I could ot comprehend any Celtic minded person having a problem with that song being sung

Likewise the Fields of Athenrye although I well remember Ferry McNee (the voice of a football) taking great issue with it on the 90s

Let the People Sing linked with This Land are very stirring songs however I feel that songs like Broad Black Brimmer and Boys of the Old Brigade or Go On Home are just a little to political for a football match

We have SO Many fantastic songs which are suitable for matches we can sing to our hearts content without reverting to politics or terrorism It's not as if we only have 1 or 2 like many clubs do and are shit

In saying that I love going and watching Rebel Bands in clubs and bars where people KNOW what they are going to listen to and go wllingly

I'm no fuddy fuddy or prude and probably know the lyrics of most of the Rebel songs off by heart and indeed many that a lot of fellow fans may never have heard but there is a suitable time and place for them to be sung

So in brief Let's sing our songs but not songs that cause offence to others including our own fans

We are after all OFFICIALLY the greatest supporters in the world

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I grew up in the six counties during the troubles. The term terrorist or terrorism is loosely bandied about and usually in the direction of the republican movement, without which, we would have been trampled into the ground. I can assure you from first hand experience that terrorism was rife during this period and it was all coming from the scum who are now hailed as heroes year in year out. The so called armed forces slaughtered and pillaged all before them and would have been a lot worse only for the IRA. And while I know that this is a debate about songs being sung at football matches, I just don't like the use of that word, as it only seems to be used against anyone who takes up arms against the English or Americans. I could go on and on, but I won't. Getting back to the songs and the green brigade, I have no problem with their choice of songs, but then again, I'm a product of the environment I grew up in. To each their own! On a different note, TET, there's a book in there somewhere. Very impressive writing!
 
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