In defence of Lennon. Our regression is down to Lawwell

[Theverdict1]

Typical roman misrepresentation of events.
Fighting lions? extremely unlikely much actual fighting of lions went on, real headlines Christians briefly hiding and running from Lions before being caught mauled ripped to pieces and best parts eaten by lions.

fighting suggests a contest.

The british colonial media reported similar tales for Ireland, like Ballymurphy, where heavily armed roaming gangs of semi literate british thugs were given crown license to murder unarmed innocent civilians -reported at the time and for decades accepted as a supposed 'gun battle'

It was a joke about the lions ffs!

 

[JimMc]

It was a joke about the lions ffs!

Really ffs there's me thinking you were literally some near 2000 year old on the ground reporting events live from the Coliseum

 

[Theverdict1]

Where is the financial back up to your theory?

With an estimated top line income of around 105 million

And last seasons risk assessed 87 million operation costs.

What in your opinion is the correct risk to attain 105 million?

And why is it Lawells fault that we can't afford to keep players who are feeling underpaid when our operation costs are pretty much maxed out?

I cannot jump on the Lawell must go bandwagon until I see proper risk assessed alternative budgets and value added players who can fit into the Celtic risk model.

Where is the money coming from to retain players on 60K+ after tax before add-ons?

Which is what allegedly is the price for Wee Paddy, Dembele loyalty, Or Stuart Armstrong to stick around in lower quality league that allegedly stalls their growth as players?

Are you suggesting 87 Million op costs is not high enough for your liking?

Are you suggesting there are better players out there who are willing to play at 40K max per week with add ons probably included.

You have this incessant theory of how Lawell is short changing the fans.
But I have yet to see this economic miracle plan that does better than the Lawell model both on and off the field of play.

Or are you of the opinion that clubs can't die and should therefore rack up as much debts as possible chasing down glory that has so far been achieved without destroying value off the field?

Spend some of the £40m to increase our chances of CL qualification and achieving 10iar. No guarantees it will achieve both but doing fuck all with the money I would argue ensures we will continue to decline. That’s it. You keep going on about the finances as if having money in the bank is to stay there. I don’t agree with that. We need players. Players cost money. We have money. Buy better players that helps us genenerate more money.

 

[Theverdict1]

Really ffs there's me thinking you were literally some near 2000 year old on the ground reporting events.

I watched the Life of Brian. All true.

 

[TET]

Spend some of the £40m to increase our chances of CL qualification and achieving 10iar. No guarantees it will achieve both but doing fuck all with the money I would argue ensures we will continue to decline. That’s it. You keep going on about the finances as if having money in the bank is to stay there. I don’t agree with that. We need players. Players cost money. We have money. Buy better players that helps us genenerate more money.

I don't argue keep money in bank at all.
If there is a value added player on off field to be had its a buy from me no matter what his fee. if he adds value on off field then its a winner.

but if buying better player means paying a massive premium that destroys value for minimum value on the pitch then bin that idea.

id rather see young Celtic fan with potential get his chance.

currently the market for top players is in the serious wealth destruction bracket, unless you can be certain the inflation of other markets applies to ours also.

but it does not.

vvd playing for Celtic will always be 20m plus add ons max
but vvd at Liverpool with same talent is whatever the top market dictates.

our Scottish market doesn't have the top league inflated prices.

we may get little more than other Scottish teams if we regularly win trebles and qualify for CL

but the players who are already are CL quality at big leagues will always be costing more than we can ever sell them. therefore its wealth destruction luxury to bring over waged inflated value for the market we sell from.

 

[The Deadner]

If all you say is true Lawell as top kid should have got rid of him. Did he go to China? No. Let’s be clear here. I wasn’t duped into thinking he was a able to walk on water. It’s funny how when all the the things you site were happening you won’t find one post from anycunt calling him out. Not one.

It seems all his disciples are fucked off they made a cunt if their assessment doesn’t it? Hindsight is not allowed I’m afraid. If you are clearly fucked off with what you quoted, and I’m not saying you shouldn’t be, but where is the post taking him to task at the time.

Not many on here even questioned his messianic abilities. I did. And what did I get for that? Called a hun. Regardless of any of the stuff floating around it’s still boils down to leadership. Lawell should have sacked him if half of what you say is true. He didn’t. Rogers left us in a hole. I hated that, but it’s the hole I worry about more.

He didn't go to China, because the deal fell through, but he knew at the time he had lawell by the balls. So he managed to squeeze an extra five grand a week to stay.
I've never for one minute thought Rodgers was the messiah, but he was winning games, so you back the manager whoever it is when they're getting results. I knew before Rodgers signed the type of dirth bag he was. Infact I could sicken you with some of the shit he has pulled even before he signed for Celtic. I will also admit that I got sucked in by him with his stories of not becoming, but being born a Celtic supporter shite that he spun. And if I'm being honest, that's what pissed me off the most about his departure. He was a lying wee rat!

 

[The Galway shawl]

Having 40m in the bank does not eqate to Qaulity players rushing to come to play in Scottish football. some people really need a reality check at times. Finances aren't always the problem it's down to players that want to come here.fucked up big time with mcginn, you couldn't buy him for less than 20m now! So to blame PL is ludicrous. Have a look at recruitment Lee Congerton let's start there.HH ☘☘

 

[Theverdict1]

Having 40m in the bank does not eqate to Qaulity players rushing to come to play in Scottish football. some people really need a reality check at times. Finances aren't always the problem it's down to players that want to come here.fucked up big time with mcginn, you couldn't buy him for less than 20m now! So to blame PL is ludicrous. Have a look at recruitment Lee Congerton let's start there.HH ☘☘

Agreed it’s not a guarantee of anything. But, we have money. We need better players. We need to find younger players who could do a job, see us as a stepping stone, as we are, but improve us to better compete.

No one is saying £40m will have Europe reeling. It may though allow us to qualify. That additional £60m then helps us move forward a year at a time and ensure domestic dominance.

It’s all about finding them, then when we do buying them. There is no use going for a player who ya already linked with richer clubs. We need to be able to find young players who are in the £4-5m bracket but have the ability to make us better.

If we don’t invest we arrive at where we are today. Stalling.

 

[JimMc]

With the prize now in sight.
Logical to imagine and obviously Hope PL sees his own legacy as Celtic-win-10-in-a-row
PL is getting on a bit, he surely knows that he is unlikely to ever achieve any new project or career of remotely equivalent imagined greatness and surely he has enough money, concern is the greedy are blind to reality and can never ever have enough.
So logic suggests we can be positive this window and see a much improved squad. The signings of Schved and Perez which by reported accounts were not likely much to do with Rodgers, look like we have already improved the quality of choices for our right side.

And Lennys first season signings were overall great, would not complain with younger similar types of most of these arriving.


Plus PL knows the pressure is on him, knows enough if not most Celtic fans blame him and will blame him, so all the logic with a prize now in sight, does suggest we can be positive that the Celtic fans wallet he has control over, will be used and used more positively for immediate impact 2019-2020 2020-2021. when Celtic-win-10-in-a-row

No point being the other anyway, that cliché Japanese mentality of only being concerned with that you have some control over is not some great mysticism, it just basic logic and reality, all we can do is apply the pressure and let PL know we are watching and expect.

 

[The Galway shawl]

Agreed it’s not a guarantee of anything. But, we have money. We need better players. We need to find younger players who could do a job, see us as a stepping stone, as we are, but improve us to better compete.

No one is saying £40m will have Europe reeling. It may though allow us to qualify. That additional £60m then helps us move forward a year at a time and ensure domestic dominance.

It’s all about finding them, then when we do buying them. There is no use going for a player who ya already linked with richer clubs. We need to be able to find young players who are in the £4-5m bracket but have the ability to make us better.

If we don’t invest we arrive at where we are today. Stalling.

Agree with most of what your saying mate.but some people are quick to point fingers without having the full facts. We are a stepping stone to possibly bigger things just look at the last 5-10 years no argument there. But for people just say PL has no ambition for Celtic is plain madness. Do you not think he can see what's required when watching week in week Out? It then comes down to the head of recruitment and the management to present a wish list after that it's his job to go and make that happen.

 

[Theverdict1]

Agree with most of what your saying mate.but some people are quick to point fingers without having the full facts. We are a stepping stone to possibly bigger things just look at the last 5-10 years no argument there. But for people just say PL has no ambition for Celtic is plain madness. Do you not think he can see what's required when watching week in week Out? It then comes down to the head of recruitment and the management to present a wish list after that it's his job to go and make that happen.

I can’t think he doesn’t. He obviously must, but we see it with no power to change it. He does. We have only bought Bayo and Shved, who isn’t even here. I like the look of him and young Perez and hopefully they will improve us.

It’s the never ending or starting quest to improve us defensively that gets me down mostly. I want Lawell to see what we see and respond. If he does I will be the first to praise him to the stars and back. He needs to get moving. This summer is absolutely vital to ensure we keep they bastards at arms length and if we qualify for the CL we bury the cunts.

 

[JamSam67]

Agree the squad needs investment, especially the defence. A successful football team needs to evolve continuously if it wants to remain successful. But to talk as if we are in the middle if some crisis is quite frankly ridiculous. Our next important step is who we appoint as full time Manager. Whoever is appointed will want to spend, so lets see who that is. Some people bang on about PL's bonus all the time, but lets get something straight, he gets a bonus for reaching certain targets set out beforehand by the board. Do you think DD would just let him pay himself massive bonuses because he felt like it? No. Neither do I.

Sorry Brim have been out but I have never said Crisis we need to fix the problem areas of the pitch.
As a miner we got Bonus payments for certain
Work when done you saw the work was done.
But if the Targets that set Pls bonus they should be higher because it’s on the Park where in Europe we have had huge Defeats.
So I’m not seeing the work as done.
It’s great that 8iar is on the way and hopefully the rest Follow.
But to stay there we need at least 1 C/H With Ajer. A Right Back and a Midfielder.
As a matter of Urgency. The CL is fast approaching.
Of the loanees we got only Weah is worth trying to tie down on a longer loan with options would be good.
Maybe Burke but his first touch is a volley.
Those 3 positions I have pointed out up to £5 million each £15 mill qualify for the return is £50/60 million to me that’s a no brainier.
Now I have made that sound simple. It isn’t
But it is achievable.

HH

 

[The Galway shawl]

I can’t think he doesn’t. He obviously must, but we see it with no power to change it. He does. We have only bought Bayo and Shved, who isn’t even here. I like the look of him and young Perez and hopefully they will improve us.

It’s the never ending or starting quest to improve us defensively that gets me down mostly. I want Lawell to see what we see and respond. If he does I will be the first to praise him to the stars and back. He needs to get moving. This summer is absolutely vital to ensure we keep they bastards at arms length and if we qualify for the CL we bury the cunts.

Aye right he does but it's not his job to look at players and then buy them. Look at some of the fuckin dross Rodgers bought is that PL fault? Am the same as you mate in my mind we need a new defence and am sure whoever gets the job will have players in mind when they come on board, then it's PL remit to go do the business.

 

[Brimcbhoy]

JS67 I didnt mean you were suggesting we were in some sort of crisis. I also think DD and the other major shareholders must think PL is doing a good job. I seem to remember Arsenal were sniffing around him a few years back, I think a lot of EPL teams would love to have him as their CEO. Maybe thats why he gets the big bucks.

 

[Theverdict1]

Aye right he does but it's not his job to look at players and then buy them. Look at some of the fuckin dross Rodgers bought is that PL fault? Am the same as you mate in my mind we need a new defence and am sure whoever gets the job will have players in mind when they come on board, then it's PL remit to go do the business.

I was sick talking about the number of duds bought by Rogers. Rogers actually made our defence worse with Hendry and Comperr and Tolijan isn’t anywhere near good enough either.

As for moving forward we need better scouting. Due to Rogers countless projects far too much of our budget is going to players not good enough. That’s an ongoing problem reducing that cost. Mistvwere given king contracts which will see us paying out money to players who won’t feature for a few years yet.

Rogers overall signings were shit with a couple of exceptions. We need a lot better return. I actually have more faith in Lennon in that regard, as I never rated Rogers as being great at spotting players, especially defenders.

We are were we are. The only thing that matters is how we go about the summer market. Get decent scouts. It’s clear that this is a vital area we need to improve upon.

 

[The Galway shawl]

Sorry Brim have been out but I have never said Crisis we need to fix the problem areas of the pitch.
As a miner we got Bonus payments for certain
Work when done you saw the work was done.
But if the Targets that set Pls bonus they should be higher because it’s on the Park where in Europe we have had huge Defeats.
So I’m not seeing the work as done.
It’s great that 8iar is on the way and hopefully the rest Follow.
But to stay there we need at least 1 C/H With Ajer. A Right Back and a Midfielder.
As a matter of Urgency. The CL is fast approaching.
Of the loanees we got only Weah is worth trying to tie down on a longer loan with options would be good.
Maybe Burke but his first touch is a volley.
Those 3 positions I have pointed out up to £5 million each £15 mill qualify for the return is £50/60 million to me that’s a no brainier.
Now I have made that sound simple. It isn’t
But it is achievable.

HH

His bonus is based on the club as a whole entity Sam. Like I've mentioned before 2 of the biggest sponsorship deals in Scottish football history. And selling the brand in global terms Look at the progress Celtic have made in Commerical and attracting sponsors might not be what we as fans want but it enables the club to move forward. Celtic Hotel anyone? New revenue streams are what make the club strong and that's down to the CEO and the board.

 

[JamSam67]

JS67 I didnt mean you were suggesting we were in some sort of crisis. I also think DD and the other major shareholders must think PL is doing a good job. I seem to remember Arsenal were sniffing around him a few years back, I think a lot of EPL teams would love to have him as their CEO. Maybe thats why he gets the big bucks.

I know went back to re-read. the 1 thing I really like about this site is the Passion. If you read most of or even all the posts you find we all say the same thing. We all want the Same thing. And again your right PL is a wanted CEO. And it’s easy to criticise that bonus.
Most Celtic fans work all their lives and will never reach that mark. Sorry bud i am an old Socialist.
We are heading as a club into a battle with the Medja, The SFA so it’s all Tim’s to the pumps
These Bastards are coming we need to be ready. The Club DD, PL and the Board. Time to suit up mon the Hoops.

HH ?

 

[Brimcbhoy]

I know went back to re-read. the 1 thing I really like about this site is the Passion. If you read most of or even all the posts you find we all say the same thing. We all want the Same thing. And again your right PL is a wanted CEO. And it’s easy to criticise that bonus.
Most Celtic fans work all their lives and will never reach that mark. Sorry bud i am an old Socialist.
We are heading as a club into a battle with the Medja, The SFA so it’s all Tim’s to the pumps
These Bastards are coming we need to be ready. The Club DD, PL and the Board. Time to suit up mon the Hoops.

HH ?

 

[Theverdict1]

His bonus is based on the club as a whole entity Sam. Like I've mentioned before 2 of the biggest sponsorship deals in Scottish football history. And selling the brand in global terms Look at the progress Celtic have made in Commerical and attracting sponsors might not be what we as fans want but it enables the club to move forward. Celtic Hotel anyone? New revenue streams are what make the club strong and that's down to the CEO and the board.

How much were both these deals worth?

 

[boab1916]

Whats the betting on RClyde once the Broony stuff is over calls will turn to investment to stop the ten. Season books this season will be harder to sell, SG never delivered like all the other nuggets before him. Today they moved into a new mode of attack. Lets blame everything on Celtic. We shall crush them, we shall win the 55, we will spend others money, we will be the top kiddies.