Way OTT way of making at least one factual point about certainty, but then reasoned logic says-
Nobody can state much if anything in life that for absolute certain, not even you about Lawell! Do you know for certain that he was not ordered to do his actions by DD or by the board of shareholders and is only to blame by default.
Unless you were a baby that was born talking, then all is up for debate and the very need for humanity to be wondering and making points in life whether right or wrong as that is by definition how knowledge evolves, and is the very point of a discussion forum, if! that is, we know for absolute certain this forum exists at all.
In summary we would all be in caves with clubs for weapons and no rights of complaint for Raquel Welch in what was left of her sabre toothed Tiger bikini if we relied on just waiting because of not being certain. Come to think of that I see your point now.
But as regards Congerton we can make a more than reasoned point based on his previous employers and a summarised track record of recent years of a generalized air of mystery and disappointment that appears to continue to date at our club.
We can look at the most recent consistent evidence from a fair number of years that more than suggest he could well be a overpaid chancer and who has consistently joined and left clubs in mystery and dissatisfaction and clubs worse off player wise if not financially and league position wise than before his employment.
The problem for us is he looks like BR's man, I suspected he was but was not certain of the events up to employment, hence one of my questions.
BR the likely cause, will hopefully will conclude that Con-gerton is no longer the right man, and replace, and possibly consider that he BR is possibly not the best judge and has his hands full enough seeking 10-in-a-row and so employ someone under his control who has a actual track record of signing good players and for the sort of budget we have.
If you look at the language you use, “a more than reasoned point” “a generalised air of mystery” “worse off player wise if not financially and league position wise than before his employment.” If we take those points then they are not definitive are they. They are suppositions arrived at due to his previous record. That doesn’t mean it was the same, it suggests it. The last point about being worse this time doesn’t lend to your argument. We have won a double treble and are financially sound. Do you remove him from this just to make a negative point about him. Since being here we have demonstrably improved on an off the pitch, so I can’t see how this helps your argument.
Unless you are saying we only look at the bad stuff and that is neither logical, rational or fair.
You stare he’s Rogers man. Well, why wouldn’t he be? Who would want someone in who wasn’t? What kind of butter gets someone in they don’t want. Again, logic suggests that’s exactly what he should be.
You are suggesting that it may not be Lawell, but the board who told him not to buy. Where are you getting that from? Every utterance out of CP states Lawell is our chief negotiator and if you are suggesting the board or DD blocked the move for McGinn, then sanctioned it when it was too late for a price lower than we paid Eboussa, then I cannot accept that. This was down to Lawell. He played hardball when it wasn’t required and we lost a great player who was one of us.
Remember too that Congleton doesn’t sign players, he suggests them. Rogers and Lawell do that.
If we look at Rogers reaction, are you seriously suggesting he was pissed off at Congerton? I certainly hope not.
We don’t know who the players were on the list that went straight in the bin. What we do know with certainty is we needed defenders, we knew Boyata wanted away. We knew Moussa wanted away. So I would suggest the list contained possible replacements. What happened is also a matter of fact. We went into the Qualifiers with a makeshift defence that was pathetic and failed.
Was anybody surprised we crashed out? Not me at least. It was a symptom of our inability to act to move forward.
Lawell is all over this. Why would DD tell him not to spend when dugs in the street knew our defence was not good enough and we were down Boyata and Lustig in defence and Rogic also?
I listened to Rogers after the cup final. We need to strengthen, we must. Now that suggest to me that he gave Lawell a list that was within our budget, what would be the point not to, and for whatever reason we kissed away £60m and crashed out.
If you read my post I concede that Congerton may well be a chance, as you put it. What I am saying is we don’t know that. You look at previous history to suggest improvement wouldn’t happen. You can’t back that up because you have no more information than I do.
My belief is that Rogers has made a cunt of most of HIS signings. Hendry and Comper were a disaster. But Rogers signed them, not Congerton.
Lawell is risk averse. He dithers, McGinn showed how badly. His ego got in the way with his war with Petrie. He went back in with what they wanted when it was too late and fucked us up, not just for what he could bring to the team, but his sell on value.
He had the cheek to get his PR team to send out the news if a “world class deal with Defabet” A deal that barely covers his wages and bonus for its duration. We were all waiting for players and he tries to make us feel better with a deal and Sysco lights? That may be I’m in your world, not mine.
He then brings in Arzani over the head of Rogers. He hasn’t kicked a baw yet and is another player who he has singlehanded brought without the managers say so. I think he is a frustrated manager.
Congertin may be shit. We don’t know. When, and if we find out who the close season targets were this would help us make a better decision than looking at his past.
I hate Lawells timorous approach to moving forward. We have gone backward. We have lost three class players and replaced them with nothing. Are you seriously suggesting that Rogers forgot what he says after the final and decided to go with what we had? When every supporter knew it would fuck us up, but he missed that?
If it is the board that stopped Lawell as you suggest, then may I make a suggestion.
They all get to fuck and are replaced with men or women who have the courage to take us forward. And that includes DD.
I won’t accept Cingertin as the scapegoat. He advises, he doesn’t sign. If Rogers was pissed if with him, he would be gone. His anger was at Lawell and the board and for missing out on CL and McGinn is enough for me to suggest his time us up.
If Cingertin is to follow him fine, but we need to know why and neither of us know if that is justified. Lawell failures are a matter of record, Disco lights apart he has failed us all.
