My day.

Bridie Bhoy

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Right on, TartanTim!



I'll see your Kevin Bridges (he's great, by the way) video and raise you one Big Yin video, Michael . . .


I've been thinking about this all day, ever since Lubo posted this, and I think it's important to bring this up. If you ever watch Ntcham, Elhamed, and Elyounoussi on the field before a game, they pray, eyes closed, heads bowed, hands facing up. To me, that speaks volumes on inclusion: Excellent Muslim players suiting up and playing for a club founded by a Marist brother.

Here in the "leftie" circles I occupy in the States, I hit the "privilige trifecta" -- I'm white, male, and straight -- and we feel, generally speaking, it's our duty to speak up for people who are "not as privileged" -- people of colour, of a different nationality, of a different sexuality, etc. A friend of mine in Southern California puts it this way: "Are you going to use your privilege for good, or for awesome?" And it remains that if someone harasses other because of any of those reasons (colour, nationality, sexuality), you should stand up for them.

You did good, Lubo and TartanTim -- I don't think that can be emphasized enough -- and it goes without saying that this included standing up for those who are victims of sectarianism as well.

I'll get off the soapbox now . . . .
Well said Larry. πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ’š
 

DILLIGAF

Well-known member
Brexit,a vote for engerlish nationalism, encouraged the shite,that is fascism,tommy robinson,racism,niggle farage,islamophobia boakis johnson tae float to the top of the cesspit,it's stink is getting stronger up here,keep up the good fight Lubo, but i fear we are too far down the road now!


ye can tell they're intellectually sound, well adjusted individuals, one with an engerlund top and one with an Argentine t-shirt!!!!!!
You'd never tire of hitting that fucking imbecile
He's like a computer, you have to punch information into it
Absolute spunk spangle
HH
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
Right on, TartanTim!



I'll see your Kevin Bridges (he's great, by the way) video and raise you one Big Yin video, Michael . . .


I've been thinking about this all day, ever since Lubo posted this, and I think it's important to bring this up. If you ever watch Ntcham, Elhamed, and Elyounoussi on the field before a game, they pray, eyes closed, heads bowed, hands facing up. To me, that speaks volumes on inclusion: Excellent Muslim players suiting up and playing for a club founded by a Marist brother.

Here in the "leftie" circles I occupy in the States, I hit the "privilige trifecta" -- I'm white, male, and straight -- and we feel, generally speaking, it's our duty to speak up for people who are "not as privileged" -- people of colour, of a different nationality, of a different sexuality, etc. A friend of mine in Southern California puts it this way: "Are you going to use your privilege for good, or for awesome?" And it remains that if someone harasses other because of any of those reasons (colour, nationality, sexuality), you should stand up for them.

You did good, Lubo and TartanTim -- I don't think that can be emphasized enough -- and it goes without saying that this includes standing up for those who are victims of sectarianism as well.

I'll get off the soapbox now . . . .
And Nir Bitton, Israeli Larry,Catholics,Protestants!, we don't give a phuq about that shit,but we are confronted on a daily basis with the klan/wasp mentality, how anyone who plays for them can tolerate, racial and religious abuse is beyond me, only last season a young loanee was hounded out by their everyone and anyone fans! feckin nazi's!
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
Right on, TartanTim!



I'll see your Kevin Bridges (he's great, by the way) video and raise you one Big Yin video, Michael . . .


I've been thinking about this all day, ever since Lubo posted this, and I think it's important to bring this up. If you ever watch Ntcham, Elhamed, and Elyounoussi on the field before a game, they pray, eyes closed, heads bowed, hands facing up. To me, that speaks volumes on inclusion: Excellent Muslim players suiting up and playing for a club founded by a Marist brother.

Here in the "leftie" circles I occupy in the States, I hit the "privilige trifecta" -- I'm white, male, and straight -- and we feel, generally speaking, it's our duty to speak up for people who are "not as privileged" -- people of colour, of a different nationality, of a different sexuality, etc. A friend of mine in Southern California puts it this way: "Are you going to use your privilege for good, or for awesome?" And it remains that if someone harasses other because of any of those reasons (colour, nationality, sexuality), you should stand up for them.

You did good, Lubo and TartanTim -- I don't think that can be emphasized enough -- and it goes without saying that this includes standing up for those who are victims of sectarianism as well.

I'll get off the soapbox now . . . .
Belter Larry!
 

DILLIGAF

Well-known member
Hail Hail D, it's gettin phuqin rancid over here wi'this brexit pish,even the "impartial" BBC is gettin called oot fur givin the boris an easy ride,when the state broadcaster takes sides, well, that's a rocky fuckin road !
Watching it on a daily/weekly basis Michael
I saw Boris' old man on TV, calling people who call Boris a liar, disgusting and aren't intelligent enough to spell Pinocchio, after he was labelled that ,by average working class people
All this Establishment pish, is past it's sell by date
The whole thing needs a rebuild
Get rid of the Monarchy, the House of Lords, all the fuckers who cannot relateto the average person's struggle on a daily basis
US, UK, Canada, it's all gong sideways
Trudeau, rewarded a known terrorist, with $10.5 Million of taxpayers dollars, after he was tortured by the US, for killing a Marine
We have Veterans, who went to battle for these bastards, living on the streets, after they got home, in some cases
It does my head in, when I think of it
COYBIG
HH
 

TartanTim

Well-known member
The "impartial" BBC have been anything but - their biased reporting on IndieRef was a disgrace. They behaved like a KGB dictated to state broadcaster rather than a media.

Anything rancid for the last 6 years has been mostly one way from the Pro-Unionists belittling us.
old mate of my late father, Robert puts it in simple terms about the BBC, PUT THE FUCKIN LIGHTS OUT. He's coming up on 80, ex Royal Navy mad as he was when him & my Da were shipmates.

Dislikes the BBC with a passion blamed them for the ships that got attacked during the Falklands War. Got them chucked out of a Veterans for Indy hustings in Stirling, that wee prick Brian Taylor getting the hairdryer treatment was priceless,,πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
 

TET

Well-known member
Right on, TartanTim!



I'll see your Kevin Bridges (he's great, by the way) video and raise you one Big Yin video, Michael . . .


I've been thinking about this all day, ever since Lubo posted this, and I think it's important to bring this up. If you ever watch Ntcham, Elhamed, and Elyounoussi on the field before a game, they pray, eyes closed, heads bowed, hands facing up. To me, that speaks volumes on inclusion: Excellent Muslim players suiting up and playing for a club founded by a Marist brother.

Here in the "leftie" circles I occupy in the States, I hit the "privilige trifecta" -- I'm white, male, and straight -- and we feel, generally speaking, it's our duty to speak up for people who are "not as privileged" -- people of colour, of a different nationality, of a different sexuality, etc. A friend of mine in Southern California puts it this way: "Are you going to use your privilege for good, or for awesome?" And it remains that if someone harasses other because of any of those reasons (colour, nationality, sexuality), you should stand up for them.

You did good, Lubo and TartanTim -- I don't think that can be emphasized enough -- and it goes without saying that this includes standing up for those who are victims of sectarianism as well.

I'll get off the soapbox now . . . .
I think its important to see the best in people always, but also be fully aware it may be a bad mistake.

Privilege trifecta

Never heard that expression before but I would agree there is a strange bias towards those domains

Ive never heard that its only left politically that stick up for these people though.

In fact historically I would suggest there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that its centre who look after these peoples rights more than a certain degree past an unknown both on left and right.


There are plenty of muslims in Glasgow who support Rangers

In fact any muslim men I know personally seem to lean more towards right politics and Rangers and are UK together voters.

Anyway

point I'm trying to make is that good people are on the right side of the divide in political matters

And some very evil people exist on the left side of politics



In fact both sides genuinely think they are on the side of good.


I would stand up for anyone being bullied (at least I hope and think I would) but I dont trust right wing or left wing politics

Virtue is what I try to understand

And standing up to evil is important
Standing up to lies is important
Helping others is important (sometimes helping your enemy is most important)

But its very difficult to spot vice sometimes

It masquerades as a hero in troubled times.

I give you the Sevco heros




Sometimes helping your enemy may be the right thing to do

But given half a chance they may not return the favour



I find the culture of London to be very toxic
The divided communities and cultures and the biases in the system make it a very unhealthy place.

But I would say that most of the toxic people are from both ends of the spectrum



Its a very animalistic egoistic city


When ever I go for a holiday

I love glasgow so much more even full of Rangers men


It may come as a surprise to some people to think that Rangers fans might also be left leaning

They may not trust SNP through the propaganda they get fed

But they have always been into labour unions

in fact I would suggest the closed shop pro white male theme has a huge support in left politics, in history anyway


I have no problem with gay rights

Again I dont think its a left only thing

Plenty of conservative heterosexuals/homosexuals fighting for gay rights


Worth noting extreme left and extreme right both restrict that minority

Also worth noting the narcissistic element is prevalent in the whole of cultures across planet

The left also claim to champion the murder of innocent unborns, mostly for woman who cant really be arsed having a child.

Some instances have justifiable human traumatic reasons for termination

But I would think the vast majority of abortions are cosmetic rather than traumatic

Controversial I know


But if the left champion the rights of women
What about the unborn children rights?

Now I am left leaning but I try to cling to the centre with my whole being, because the left is potentially more vicious if its given half a chance.


I detest nazi ideology
But I also detest the principles of islam

I would try and support either of these individuals who support these ideologies if they were being abused in their selection

knowing full well if the roles were reversed I may not get any help when im condemned to be executed for being catholic in their domain

But thats part of being christian


There are some good people who are muslim
there must be some good people who are extreme right wing (they have just got their thinking all mixed up)

My question to Larry is extreme islam

is it closer to the right or the left?

I would suggest its closer to the left but its the extreme part thats bad


All are capable of virtue

Some chose vice

And a lot of the stuff on the left is vice, because it's extreme.

you get caught in a vice it will be very painful and very difficult to remove


And imo despite leaning towards left and hating extreme right

I fear the extreme left much more than the right.
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
Watching it on a daily/weekly basis Michael
I saw Boris' old man on TV, calling people who call Boris a liar, disgusting and aren't intelligent enough to spell Pinocchio, after he was labelled that ,by average working class people
All this Establishment pish, is past it's sell by date
The whole thing needs a rebuild
Get rid of the Monarchy, the House of Lords, all the fuckers who cannot relateto the average person's struggle on a daily basis
US, UK, Canada, it's all gong sideways
Trudeau, rewarded a known terrorist, with $10.5 Million of taxpayers dollars, after he was tortured by the US, for killing a Marine
We have Veterans, who went to battle for these bastards, living on the streets, after they got home, in some cases
It does my head in, when I think of it
COYBIG
HH
Honestly think western democracy is doon the stank D!
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
I think its important to see the best in people always, but also be fully aware it may be a bad mistake.

Privilege trifecta

Never heard that expression before but I would agree there is a strange bias towards those domains

Ive never heard that its only left politically that stick up for these people though.

In fact historically I would suggest there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that its centre who look after these peoples rights more than a certain degree past an unknown both on left and right.


There are plenty of muslims in Glasgow who support Rangers

In fact any muslim men I know personally seem to lean more towards right politics and Rangers and are UK together voters.

Anyway

point I'm trying to make is that good people are on the right side of the divide in political matters

And some very evil people exist on the left side of politics



In fact both sides genuinely think they are on the side of good.


I would stand up for anyone being bullied (at least I hope and think I would) but I dont trust right wing or left wing politics

Virtue is what I try to understand

And standing up to evil is important
Standing up to lies is important
Helping others is important (sometimes helping your enemy is most important)

But its very difficult to spot vice sometimes

It masquerades as a hero in troubled times.

I give you the Sevco heros




Sometimes helping your enemy may be the right thing to do

But given half a chance they may not return the favour



I find the culture of London to be very toxic
The divided communities and cultures and the biases in the system make it a very unhealthy place.

But I would say that most of the toxic people are from both ends of the spectrum



Its a very animalistic egoistic city


When ever I go for a holiday

I love glasgow so much more even full of Rangers men


It may come as a surprise to some people to think that Rangers fans might also be left leaning

They may not trust SNP through the propaganda they get fed

But they have always been into labour unions

in fact I would suggest the closed shop pro white male theme has a huge support in left politics, in history anyway


I have no problem with gay rights

Again I dont think its a left only thing

Plenty of conservative heterosexuals/homosexuals fighting for gay rights


Worth noting extreme left and extreme right both restrict that minority

Also worth noting the narcissistic element is prevalent in the whole of cultures across planet

The left also claim to champion the murder of innocent unborns, mostly for woman who cant really be arsed having a child.

Some instances have justifiable human traumatic reasons for termination

But I would think the vast majority of abortions are cosmetic rather than traumatic

Controversial I know


But if the left champion the rights of women
What about the unborn children rights?

Now I am left leaning but I try to cling to the centre with my whole being, because the left is potentially more vicious if its given half a chance.


I detest nazi ideology
But I also detest the principles of islam

I would try and support either of these individuals who support these ideologies if they were being abused in their selection

knowing full well if the roles were reversed I may not get any help when im condemned to be executed for being catholic in their domain

But thats part of being christian


There are some good people who are muslim
there must be some good people who are extreme right wing (they have just got their thinking all mixed up)

My question to Larry is extreme islam

is it closer to the right or the left?

I would suggest its closer to the left but its the extreme part thats bad


All are capable of virtue

Some chose vice

And a lot of the stuff on the left is vice, because it's extreme.

you get caught in a vice it will be very painful and very difficult to remove


And imo despite leaning towards left and hating extreme right

I fear the extreme left much more than the right.
think the key word here TET, is extreme! Stalin, Hitler, the middle is being squeezed, to the point where, the middle ground is a cyclepath squashed between two motorways,
iv'e engaged with "one nation tories" and "socialists, tories on the left of their party, socialists on the right of their party,but, with brexit,indyref2 the border in Ireland, a problem that can only be resolved by remaining in the EU,and reforming it from within,

until then,the extremists on both sides,will be the most vocal,most active,in the pursuit of their goals,and whoever win's will decimate the extremists on the other side,
will have a compliant, moderate middle ground,how will they achieve this,invoke powers, pass laws! where have we seen that movie before!
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
The rise in right wing,extremist/populism is palpable,eastern europe,western democracies,the USA, latin America,why is this happening,well under old tired,political systems,it's mainly down to economics, the poor are getting poorer and they/us are being fed the the lie from the right, that it's all the fault of those pesky immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers,particularly, if the colour of their skin is different from "ours",how long will it take before they start saying it's all their fault because of their religion, oops that's already happening! assistant chief constables and prominent public figures calling for catholic schools to be closed,where is that going to lead!, hmm maybe have to have a shamrock sewn on our jackets,not as if anything like that has happened before!
Anyway, rant over!
 

TET

Well-known member
think the key word here TET, is extreme! Stalin, Hitler, the middle is being squeezed, to the point where, the middle ground is a cyclepath squashed between two motorways,
iv'e engaged with "one nation tories" and "socialists, tories on the left of their party, socialists on the right of their party,but, with brexit,indyref2 the border in Ireland, a problem that can only be resolved by remaining in the EU,and reforming it from within,

until then,the extremists on both sides,will be the most vocal,most active,in the pursuit of their goals,and whoever win's will decimate the extremists on the other side,
will have a compliant, moderate middle ground,how will they achieve this,invoke powers, pass laws! where have we seen that movie before!
extreme is the key

But most minorities could be classed as extreme

Virtue is the only way out

Not.left or right

Virtue

And to understand virtue you need a solid code of ethics as standard to destinguish

But neither the left of politics or the right of politics has the correct code of virtue

They are driven by their passions which is the source of all extreme behaviours

The cardinal vices that lure you in as a better way

Pride
Envy
Greed
Gluttony(luxury)
Lust
Sloth
Wrath

The antidotes are the 4 cardinal virtues held together in place with the 3 theological virtues, from which all virtue flows

And the foundation virtue is Humility

For pride is the opposite of Humility And pride leads to all vice both spiritual and temporal

Both left and right fall foul of pride

Pride in truth and virtue is the only pride that is not vicious but even that is hard to find since you need the truth to on the money

left or right of on the money and you have missed the truth

And you have got caught in the web of vice



But what is the truth?

As asked by pilate before he condemned him to death?

Does humanity have the key to truth?

Well in the history of mankind there has only ever been one man bold enough to call himself the truth.

Every single word he spoke and his directions to find blessings (beatitudes) contradict all politics

He was either a liar, mad or telling the truth.

He claimed he was to way the truth and the life.

And the saints of history all had one thing in common they chose virtue over human concupiscence

they followed the simple 3 bit rule to the virtues as taught by Christs apostles

Avoid the 3 enemies of humanity

the concupiscence of the flesh (worldly vice)
the concupiscence of the eyes (spiritual vice)
And the pride of life ( self importance)

which lead them to the heavenly blessings of the beatitudes

Only one religion on earth teaches this teaching

All others and none are manmade

All others lead to vice.


there is no sainthood where vice exists

And being proud to promote vice because its popular is not the way out of,

its the way into perdition.

Perdition is devolution of man into beast through concupsence driven by pride.

Beware the road to perdition.
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
extreme is the key

But most minorities could be classed as extreme

Virtue is the only way out

Not.left or right

Virtue

And to understand virtue you need a solid code of ethics as standard to destinguish

But neither the left of politics or the right of politics has the correct code of virtue

They are driven by their passions which is the source of all extreme behaviours

The cardinal vices that lure you in as a better way

Pride
Envy
Greed
Gluttony(luxury)
Lust
Sloth
Wrath

The antidotes are the 4 cardinal virtues held together in place with the 3 theological virtues, from which all virtue flows

And the foundation virtue is Humility

For pride is the opposite of Humility And pride leads to all vice both spiritual and temporal

Both left and right fall foul of pride

Pride in truth and virtue is the only pride that is not vicious but even that is hard to find since you need the truth to on the money

left or right of on the money and you have missed the truth

And you have got caught in the web of vice



But what is the truth?

As asked by pilate before he condemned him to death?

Does humanity have the key to truth?

Well in the history of mankind there has only ever been one man bold enough to call himself the truth.

Every single word he spoke and his directions to find blessings (beatitudes) contradict all politics

He was either a liar, mad or telling the truth.

He claimed he was to way the truth and the life.

And the saints of history all had one thing in common they chose virtue over human concupiscence

they followed the simple 3 bit rule to the virtues as taught by Christs apostles

Avoid the 3 enemies of humanity

the concupiscence of the flesh (worldly vice)
the concupiscence of the eyes (spiritual vice)
And the pride of life ( self importance)

which lead them to the heavenly blessings of the beatitudes

Only one religion on earth teaches this teaching

All others and none are manmade

All others lead to vice.


there is no sainthood where vice exists

And being proud to promote vice because its popular is not the way out of,

its the way into perdition.

Perdition is devolution of man into beast through concupsence driven by pride.

Beware the road to perdition.
Just sayin TET,extremism has kicked virtue into touch,extremism is winning,particularly right wing extremism,look around the world, it's grab "power", consolidate power, use the powers of the state to enforce power,if your not fighting a war, use your forces to subdue your own populations,it's happening before our very eyes!
 

TET

Well-known member
Just sayin TET,extremism has kicked virtue into touch,extremism is winning,particularly right wing extremism,look around the world, it's grab "power", consolidate power, use the powers of the state to enforce power,if your not fighting a war, use your forces to subdue your own populations,it's happening before our very eyes!
But that's exactly what left wing politics does too
 

TET

Well-known member
But that's exactly what left wing politics does too
Are any of the worlds majority left countries less intolerant?

Is the islamic countries right or left?

Are the old soviet countries more or less left right?

Are the new totalitarian countries left or right?

Was hitler left or right?

He claimed he was left

national socialist

soviets offered international socialism

Where the Stazi or the nazi voted into power?

Or did they all start close to centre fighting the rights of workers?

then when they got power they consolidated by removing elections to prevent the opposite ever getting power.

North Korea?

China?

Are they left or right?
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
Are any of the worlds majority left countries less intolerant?

Is the islamic countries right or left?

Are the old soviet countries more or less left right?

Are the new totalitarian countries left or right?

Was hitler left or right?

He claimed he was left

national socialist

soviets offered international socialism

Where the Stazi or the nazi voted into power?

Or did they all start close to centre fighting the rights of workers?

then when they got power they consolidated by removing elections to prevent the opposite ever getting power.

North Korea?

China?

Are they left or right?
Given that TET, there's no right.left or moderate, theres totalitarianism, then all bets are off,is china totalitarian, right or left wing,russia,there are totalitarian states popping up everywhere, Brazil for instance, maybe the the right left labels are no longer relevavant!
 
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