Next Manager

I'm genuinely struggling with this. There's a tug of war taking place between my heart and my conscience. Robbie Keane? My first reaction was absolutely not. Questions upon questions are swirling around in my head like the Corryvreckan Whirlpool. We wouldn't; would we? Given that we like to think of ourselves as a club, or perhaps more accurately as a support, or a community, with a moral conscience, could we really appoint someone who, apparently, had no problem working for an institution that openly supported the murderous genocide of tens of thousands of innocent people?

Call it what you will; conscience, principles, awareness of what we/I perceive to be right or wrong, or in the case of Israel's terrorist, murderous genocidal, evil, yes actual evil; I find myself, as I've said, genuinely struggling with it.

Do we as a club/support, ditch our long-held belief that we are truly a club like no other? Do we stand by the very honourable principles that led our founding fathers to give us the gift of, not just a football club, but an identity?

Has it come to be that finishing above an institution clearly devoid of those things we claim to cherish is now our be-all-and-end-all? If so, then, for me, a huge chunk of what has made our community a source of pride, comfort, and an absolute joy to be part of, is lost. Scattered in the wreckage of a changing world. A changing, ( perhaps already changed ) club. A changed and divided support.

For me?..... Those two small words perfectly sum up my situation. They show what just happens to be my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. It goes without saying that there will be many who don't share my opinions. That, as always, is absolutely fine. I'm not on a quest to change anybody's mind. I would however, feel a crushing sense of loss.

Mea Culpa? It has to be said, of course, that Robbie Keane, if it is indeed to be him, and he wishes to do so, should have the right to put his side of the story.

Yip, questions, questions?

Hali Hail.
Excellent post Frank. Hatred of someone because they worked in a country that our fans take great issues with is for me wrong.I man going to Israel to do a job in itself isn't wrong.But being by Irish somehow it is. If only we could take the politics and religion out of football, we could imho be in a better place.
 
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I have expressed my hatred of the IDF and Israeli state's disgusting, illegal and immoral genocide of the Palestinians on here often enough for you to know my views on this appalling subject.

Personally, I do not believe that Keane was showing support of the slaughter of innocent Palestinians or taking blood-money by managing in Israel for 1 season. I wouldn't have chosen that option myself and I fully appreciate the anger and disgust felt by most of the fanbase for him having done chosen to work there, so won't try to justify it or argue with anyone who feels that way. My feelings are that I just do not believe that it should be held so strongly against him - he was a football manager doing a job.

As Ally says, do we blackball everyone who has worked in Israel? Or the other countries guilty of atrocities or have terrible human rights records such as Saudi (bye bye Jota), USA (see ya Trusty, CCV, Alistair Johnston who played for Nashville and against American sides in the MSL), Iheanacho (Nigerian), etc? Much of our merchandise is made using grossly underpaid child labour in sweatshops in China and Asia, but we still buy it.

The reason I wouldn't want him is I do not think he would be getting the job on merit. I want the best available that we can afford and IMO he is nowhere near good enough (I hope he proves me wrong if/when he gets the job). His main qualification appears to be his strong Irish connection with Despot rather than his incredible management skills.

It is a tricky subject and anyone who knows anything about the situation would have foreseen this as a potential issue and either tried to deal with things early on or else completely avoided it by discounting him immediately. It does seem that DD is going out his way to cause another situation so he can throw his weight about again and get it right up a large number of the fans.

This situation is just too toxic and carries a lot of emotion due to nature of the issue that it was never going to go well.
 
Excellent post Frank. Hatred of someone because they worked in a country that our fans take great issues with is for me wrong.I man going to Israel to do a job in itself isn't wrong.But being by Irish somehow it is. If only we could take the politics and religion out of football, we could imho be in a better place.

This pretty much sums up why many Celtic supporters (not all) have a problem with a Robbie Keane appointment both from a moral and footballing perspective Ally 👇....


Not only that but he knowingly went to work for a club who's support are self-confessed fascists, ethno-nationalists and who are one of the most toxic violent and racist in that country. One of their most popular chants being ''Why is school out in Gaza...because all their children are dead.' gives you an idea of their mentality.

You only have to do the most basic of google searches to find out what that club's fanbase is all about so Keane would've known this after doing his due diligence but still took the job anyway.

Same again at Ferncvaros....their fanbase are are also self-confessed fascists, racists and have a long history of anti-semitism while their club president was a leading executive member of Viktor Orban's authoritarian, openly racist and deeply corrupt ruling Fidesz Party yet once again knowing all this Keane took the job anyway.

For those that don't care about any of the above and only care about the the football side of things that's fair enough, that's their prerogative and they're fully entitled to it (although there's an argument to why Keane is unsuitable in that regard also) but equally the people who do have a problem with it are not engaging in 'hatred' Ally....it's concern and in some quarters outright disgust that we are associating our club and ourselves with someone who appears to be entirely comfortable associating himself and working for some seriously reprehensible people.

Whether people like it or not football doesn't exist in a vacuum, politics affects football the same way it does every other aspect of life, if it weren't for the politics of the 19th century then our own football club wouldn't even exist.

My overriding concern with all of this and my objection to Keane's appointment is the levels of division this will cause within our support and our club. After everything that happened last season (and those issues haven't gone away btw) it would be utter madness to create yet another schism that divides us further.

Anyone who attended a game last season understands exactly how all the division affected not just the atmosphere at games but also the team itself and if there is going to be even more of that for the sake of a lazy, mediocre, meritless managerial appointment then as a season ticket holder I'll be sitting next season out and watching from home as I can't be arsed sitting through any more of that shit.
 
Going a bit off piste here but has anybody seen this.
You would have thought if there was any substance to it ..it would have been all over the headlines.

Did I miss this or is it just nonsense....anybody ???

 
I'm genuinely struggling with this. There's a tug of war taking place between my heart and my conscience. Robbie Keane? My first reaction was absolutely not. Questions upon questions are swirling around in my head like the Corryvreckan Whirlpool. We wouldn't; would we? Given that we like to think of ourselves as a club, or perhaps more accurately as a support, or a community, with a moral conscience, could we really appoint someone who, apparently, had no problem working for an institution that openly supported the murderous genocide of tens of thousands of innocent people?

Call it what you will; conscience, principles, awareness of what we/I perceive to be right or wrong, or in the case of Israel's terrorist, murderous genocidal, evil, yes actual evil; I find myself, as I've said, genuinely struggling with it.

Do we as a club/support, ditch our long-held belief that we are truly a club like no other? Do we stand by the very honourable principles that led our founding fathers to give us the gift of, not just a football club, but an identity?

Has it come to be that finishing above an institution clearly devoid of those things we claim to cherish is now our be-all-and-end-all? If so, then, for me, a huge chunk of what has made our community a source of pride, comfort, and an absolute joy to be part of, is lost. Scattered in the wreckage of a changing world. A changing, ( perhaps already changed ) club. A changed and divided support.

For me?..... Those two small words perfectly sum up my situation. They show what just happens to be my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. It goes without saying that there will be many who don't share my opinions. That, as always, is absolutely fine. I'm not on a quest to change anybody's mind. I would however, feel a crushing sense of loss.

Mea Culpa? It has to be said, of course, that Robbie Keane, if it is indeed to be him, and he wishes to do so, should have the right to put his side of the story.

Yip, questions, questions?

Hali Hail.

Herein lies the problem Frank.

Our club hasn't abandoned its morals, it the fuckers who run in that have no morals.
There is a chasm between the board and the paying punters.
Unfortunately they run the club in their image and not ours.

After the shitshow of last season, the last 8 weeks of the season show what a unified Celtic support and football team is all about. With the seasons over, the idiots in charge seem intent on undoing all good feeling almost immediately.

As usual, i expect a shitshow of a summer and a rabid support come the CL qualifiers.
 
Going a bit off piste here but has anybody seen this.
You would have thought if there was any substance to it ..it would have been all over the headlines.

Did I miss this or is it just nonsense....anybody ???

Not sure, have read through the article but it seems as if this was not recent if true it could be more yanks trying to buy into the "old firm" money tree.
 
Going a bit off piste here but has anybody seen this.
You would have thought if there was any substance to it ..it would have been all over the headlines.

Did I miss this or is it just nonsense....anybody ???


I'd treat that with huge dollop of suspicion Mag....like anyone in that boardroom would have the balls to 'compel' Desmond to do anything is for the birds imo. (y)
 
Going a bit off piste here but has anybody seen this.
You would have thought if there was any substance to it ..it would have been all over the headlines.

Did I miss this or is it just nonsense....anybody ???

Wow, I could hardly believe what I was reading there. The Celtic Board actually forcing DD to sell some of his shares to a new investor. He's going to fight this obviously and this will impact everything that should happen in the close season, from new signings to the New Manager.
They are basically telling him he is holding us back and needs to step back.
I hope it happens.
 
Wow, I could hardly believe what I was reading there. The Celtic Board actually forcing DD to sell some of his shares to a new investor. He's going to fight this obviously and this will impact everything that should happen in the close season, from new signings to the New Manager.
They are basically telling him he is holding us back and needs to step back.
I hope it happens.
Thats exactly it Brim .....its hard to believe so thats probably exactly what we should do.
 
That much fake nonsense out there its hard to know what to believe mate ...as I say no idea if any grain of truth in it.
As a plc anything that's related to the company can probably be found on the London stock exchange website so it has happened you can probably get the answer there. Personally not that concerned as there is fuck all I can do about it 🤔HH
 
I agree mate doesnt ring true and not in line with anything we have seen from Nicolson & Co.
Just got sent it and my first thought was ...hmmmmmmm.

The way it's written does make it sound quite legit mate but can you imagine a universe where the likes of Nicholson or any of the rest of those boardroom goons go toe to toe with Desmond and tell him his reign of terror is over? I mean Nicholson strikes me as the type of guy who would keel over and go into a catatonic state if a pigeon flapped it's wings too close to him. 😂(y)
 

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