Peter Lawwell

boab1916

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The footage of Turnbull is basically goals and assists against SPL teams that we already have palyers taking care of, there is no outstanding features that suggests he is walikng straight in to Celtic and changing our fortunes around. In fact there was no interest until we enquired about him and asked to be informed if he would be available, were did the 3 million come from and who honestly on here has seen enough of him or have heard raving reviews to say he is worth what Motherwell want and his agent, honestly i never even noticed him as a player whenever, we played them, the guy i feared the most on his game was Curtis Main and Aberdeen snapped him up, if Celtic offered 2 mill for Turnbull i would have bitten their hand off, this is a great offer for an unknown.


 

boab1916

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The footage of Turnbull is basically goals and assists against SPL teams that we already have palyers taking care of, there is no outstanding features that suggests he is walikng straight in to Celtic and changing our fortunes around. In fact there was no interest until we enquired about him and asked to be informed if he would be available, were did the 3 million come from and who honestly on here has seen enough of him or have heard raving reviews to say he is worth what Motherwell want and his agent, honestly i never even noticed him as a player whenever, we played them, the guy i feared the most on his game was Curtis Main and Aberdeen snapped him up, if Celtic offered 2 mill for Turnbull i would have bitten their hand off, this is a great offer for an unknown.


And honestly if players in Scotland from lower teams in the SPL were worth what they the clubs suggest and i agreed they were that price, i would love to see and encourage that the money is given and talent is to remain in Scotland. for every player who remains in Scotland the money remains later on in future transfer fees, and the national squad improves.
 

Theverdict1

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im not related to lawell

I couldn't give toss what other people base their judgements

I base it on reality and the job they do versus they job they are asked to do.

forget about all the gash my man

Turnbull is project
mcginn is project

they are not yet good enough to play for celtic

you don't waste money on projects if your going for 10 in a row unless they are good prospects who want to sit on bench for next 3 years. getting little game here and there.

We need proper champions

guys who make team much better not are useful occasionally and sit on bench.

You want to hate lawell based on his prudence

I don't agree

I don't like lawell but I refuse to blame him for crap that aint his fault.

the msm and huns want him out

why?
why?
No huns I know want him out. They see him as their ace in the hole because of his dithering and cheapskate approach. It CEktuc fans who feel he continually lets us down.

These last two years and particularly last summer he caused us going into the qualifiers unprepared and we lost £60m+ as a result.

We will need to agree to differ.
 

boab1916

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No huns I know want him out. They see him as their ace in the hole because of his dithering and cheapskate approach. It CEktuc fans who feel he continually lets us down.

These last two years and particularly last summer he caused us going into the qualifiers unprepared and we lost £60m+ as a result.

We will need to agree to differ.
I do not care really what huns think their opinions has seen them sit by chasing rainbows whilst Celtic have scooped up title after title, if you think domestically we are no match to retain the SPL again, then its not Turnbulls or guys like that who will ensure we retain it. We need to then cast the net further, for according to the huns they are the worlds best team with nothing to show for it.
If you are basically saying that its Europe thats let us down then basically you are stating its losing money and basically you are supporting a money chaisng team.
If Celtic can maintain the level they have been producing at ensuring domestic dominance and been able to balance the books should Europe prove a hurdle to far to breach then with the plans that enable us to go forward in hope and the ability to always have a go, means plan B works and for that we have to say we have probably the best working for us the fans, and the huns they have no plan A never mind a B.
 

TET

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No huns I know want him out. They see him as their ace in the hole because of his dithering and cheapskate approach. It CEktuc fans who feel he continually lets us down.

These last two years and particularly last summer he caused us going into the qualifiers unprepared and we lost £60m+ as a result.

We will need to agree to differ.
again your quoting a mythical figure

then blaming lawell

if lawell turns out to be the rat you suspect then he will have his day.

the evidence is not clear that he is at it.

but his fiscal business prudence has not stopped celtic from being 8 in a row

Rodgers scamming and scheming last season nearly cost us, but he got to ko of europa league by sheer fluke and rosenburg help in Germany.

you blame lawell I blame rodgers.

silence annoys me

but not getting mcginn had no bearing on champions league
that was rodgers shite signings

rodgers was backed by massive wealth

operating costs blown right out the water on mostly shite.

thats not lawell being skint flint.


im not going to explain it to you again.


if you don't understand it, I cant help you any more than I tried multiple times on multiple threads.

60 million is a myth

if celtic don't get champions league but get treble end of year they have 55m in bank

if they do get champions league it jumps to 105m approx

thats 50 milllion

but its not banked

if 55m is your ordinary ops costs when you fail to reach champions league then you have zero in bank

if you get the 50 million from champions league and your op costs have 50 percent bonus set up

then that jumps your costs to around 80 million and in the costs of playing in champions league, travel, police, etc etc

celtic costs went to 87 million

so that mythical 60 million became in reality 17 million profit.

So get this stupid msm figure of 60 million lost if you don't reach champions league

its 50 million revenue before the costs of revenue are subtacted.

so this we could have spent 60 million and cover it with champions league.

|I repeat im not going to explain it to you again.

You told me I need a carer if I think you get 55 million from wining treble

im telling you its you who haven't a clue about prices or value.

doesn't mean you need a carer

but a calculator aint going to help you.

forget mcginn thats gone and it was rodgers squad status he rejected,

Turnbull is a project and won't be getting much gamete at treble treble champions going for 10 in a row


And this mythical 60 million from the msm you keep quoting doesn't mean you get 60 million to spend most of it gets chewed up with bonuses and paying for services around those champions league matches.

it gets burned up before you even think about another new player.
 
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TET

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£60m a myth

CL qualification £40m

TV Pot last year £13.5m

Ticket sales £12m

Myth my arse.
omg

I cant help you


you just quoted msm figures

what are the costs of those revenue figures? tv

tickets sales was pretty much same as europa league call it 12 million


so lets scrub that figure

40+13.5

is approx 50 mmillion

the bonuses for player we already have is approx 25 million

so that another 25 million minus

police ambulance security travel hotels etc etc.

say another 10 million

so 15 million aint 60 million

so saying spend 60 million to get 60 million is beyond belief

15 million

they spent 10 on eddy approx

would have spent lot more with player sales but rodgers was at it.

And for the hundredth time of explaining it.

you still quote 60 million

when reality is 50 million without ticket sales which aint that different when champions league or europa league

so from now on please quote the expected profit figure rather than the stupid msm lie of 60 million lost

its not lost

even if you get that revenue most of it gets chewed up instantly so spending it on other things when its already gone.

is Sevco economics
 

kelly

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omg

I cant help you


you just quoted msm figures

what are the costs of those revenue figures? tv

tickets sales was pretty much same as europa league call it 12 million


so lets scrub that figure

40+13.5

is approx 50 mmillion

the bonuses for player we already have is approx 25 million

so that another 25 million minus

police ambulance security travel hotels etc etc.

say another 10 million

so 15 million aint 60 million

so saying spend 60 million to get 60 million is beyond belief

15 million

they spent 10 on eddy approx

would have spent lot more with player sales but rodgers was at it.

And for the hundredth time of explaining it.

you still quote 60 million

when reality is 50 million without ticket sales which aint that different when champions league or europa league

so from now on please quote the expected profit figure rather than the stupid msm lie of 60 million lost

its not lost

even if you get that revenue most of it gets chewed up instantly so spending it on other things when its already gone.

is Sevco economics
it's like

 

boab1916

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Whilst we are engrossed in big bad PL and transfer squirrells, in the background someone is slipping out whilst another slips in, new boss same as the old boss.
"

Rod Petrie will become the 53rd president of the Scottish Football Association when his uncontested accession to the role is confirmed on Wednesday.

The 63-year-old Hibs chairman will replace outgoing president Alan McRae at their annual general meeting at Hampden.

Petrie has served on Scottish FA committees since 1998, been a director of the main board since 2007 and became a vice-president in 2011.

While his route to the presidency has been clearly mapped out for some time, there has been growing disquiet among many within Scottish football over what appears an increasingly anachronistic system of appointing office bearers.
Peter Lawwell, the Celtic chief executive who resigned from the Scottish FA board three years ago, is among those who have called for restructuring at the top of the organisation. "
 

Maria

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omg

I cant help you


you just quoted msm figures

what are the costs of those revenue figures? tv

tickets sales was pretty much same as europa league call it 12 million


so lets scrub that figure

40+13.5

is approx 50 mmillion

the bonuses for player we already have is approx 25 million

so that another 25 million minus

police ambulance security travel hotels etc etc.

say another 10 million

so 15 million aint 60 million

so saying spend 60 million to get 60 million is beyond belief

15 million

they spent 10 on eddy approx

would have spent lot more with player sales but rodgers was at it.

And for the hundredth time of explaining it.

you still quote 60 million

when reality is 50 million without ticket sales which aint that different when champions league or europa league

so from now on please quote the expected profit figure rather than the stupid msm lie of 60 million lost

its not lost

even if you get that revenue most of it gets chewed up instantly so spending it on other things when its already gone.

is Sevco economics

TET,

Why did Celtic report 100M turnover with something like (im not sure of the exact figure) 97M operating expenses?

If so how is there any money in the bank?
 

Theverdict1

Well-known member
omg

I cant help you


you just quoted msm figures

what are the costs of those revenue figures? tv

tickets sales was pretty much same as europa league call it 12 million


so lets scrub that figure

40+13.5

is approx 50 mmillion

the bonuses for player we already have is approx 25 million

so that another 25 million minus

police ambulance security travel hotels etc etc.

say another 10 million

so 15 million aint 60 million

so saying spend 60 million to get 60 million is beyond belief

15 million

they spent 10 on eddy approx

would have spent lot more with player sales but rodgers was at it.

And for the hundredth time of explaining it.

you still quote 60 million

when reality is 50 million without ticket sales which aint that different when champions league or europa league

so from now on please quote the expected profit figure rather than the stupid msm lie of 60 million lost

its not lost

even if you get that revenue most of it gets chewed up instantly so spending it on other things when its already gone.

is Sevco economics
TET, are you saying we don’t want to secure that money because we will only spend it? If we don’t have it, how do we finance our massive wage bill?
 

TET

Well-known member
TET,

Why did Celtic report 100M turnover with something like (im not sure of the exact figure) 97M operating expenses?

If so how is there any money in the bank?
season before last with champions league we took in 104m
operating expenses were 87m

60 was attributed to player wages.

27 million to other operating expenses

what they are exactly has never been

disclosed?
 

Maria

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season before last with champions league we took in 104m
operating expenses were 87m

60 was attributed to player wages.

27 million to other operating expenses

what they are exactly has never been

disclosed?

So really that only left 17M and would any new players be expected from this 17M or was that included within the wages part?
 

Theverdict1

Well-known member
We need CL money. We need players of quality to secure it. We have regressed these last two years. We have sold a couple of our better players. We have brought nothing of the same quality. We are a few weeks away from CL qualification. We are looking at players who excite no one apart from their agents. We allegedly have walked away from Turnball. We were looking to keep Lustig. We are linked with Hooper and other ex players because they are free. May be tosh as most rumours are, but it’s a worry.

If Lowell is as good as TET believes, why do the vast majority look at transfer windows with dread.?

Is it because we try to improve year on year or we do fuck all but dither then buy cheap who are no better or Loans who we improve for other clubs?

We were told we were a CL club by Lawell. Does anybody actually believe we are anywhere near that? Does anybody believe we ever will be under Lowell?

If you do, you’re fucking mental, or Lawell.
 

TET

Well-known member
TET, are you saying we don’t want to secure that money because we will only spend it? If we don’t have it, how do we finance our massive wage bill?
no im not saying anything of the sort.

what im saying is I don't like the way you twist figures, then make spending plans on your wonky figures.

then repeat ad nauseam that lawell cheating club

its the same argument TGM used on celtic blog

Its bollocks its based on skewed figures and lots of imagination then blaming people for the shortfall in the wonky figures.

im all for aggressive spending as long as it adds value.

but willy nilly spending large sums on bit part players on crazy wages is stupid.

mcginn falls into that category for us, he doesn't add the value he was costing us unless he broke into first team which is very debateable

and on top of that the wages he were offered and the squad status were rodgers vision

based on that vision for player mcginn rejected us

its you who keep repeating it over and over
you also quote 60 million as if we can spend 60 million and have no loss.

thats false

so thats 2 objections to your analysis I have.

if a player costs 100 million to celtic but he adds that value under the proper cost analysis then he should be signed,

thats same with any player any cost

if he adds that value on and off pitch. business says sign him

however

if a player costs much more than the value he adds you have destroyed wealth.

the people who work with markets every single day of their lives work at stock exchange.

they know value inside out

they risk inside out

they make billion dollar deals every couple minutes

and they use risk metrics that take all information available and build an expected value

and if it add value they buy if it does not. the either hold or sell.

they don't horde shite

these people who works markets know the risks

And guess what celtic share price has never been higher.

what does that tell you.

that the world experts think lawell adds massive value to the deals.

he doesn't buy shite for sake of it.

if he doesn't condone a bid its cozits too risky.

but he condoned a 10 million bid on eddy.

so the experts think eddy adds value at 10 million

they experts think mcginn adds value at 3 million

but mcginn rejected the wage offered based on rodgers.

lawell backed rodgers time and time again

but he kept holding shite and buying mostly shite

then he was rocking boat when questioned about it.

And ever since you blame lawell based on msm information and TGM style bullshit

it may be popular based on lawell silence and his sleek it eyes and his grubby wee fingers

but all ceos are that way

next ceos after lawell will have same charecteristics

probably all vote tory.

that shite doesn't bother me in slightest if he doing the best he can for celtic.

it may bother the celtic support generally that he so silent on so much

but there may well be good reasons for his silence

he is a loud mouth character by nature, so I assume there a lot more to the silence than I can understand yet.

I believe strongly in investing money but correctly

I believe lawell believes the same

I have yet to hear from any of the James forrest mad cap theorists their fiscal plan or how it works.

other than spend it on him

he will be worth it

and mostly the people they want aren't even as good as what we already have and most of our players don't get much game time as is

so if they going to spend do it with someone that actually adds value to the club.

which lawell has strong history of doing.

not popular dude

but if your gonna hate him have proper reasons that make sense with real risk metric figures calculated
 

Kakhanded

Well-known member
I guess I’m saying the same as you. I remember the EBT years and if his prudence proves him right then he’ll be a hero and I’ll be overdosing in humble pie!!

I fear however that he has ran his course and we need to show more ambition and invest in our squad now because his approach recently has allowed deadco to close the gap and his performance last summer as our CEO was unacceptable.
Investing in the squad is harder than it sounds
A better quality of player than we have simply won’t come and play in the spl plus they’re lookin for wages that we jst can’t afford so we buy players who are young and hungry but then after a couple of good seasons they want away to the EPL and we can’t turn down the money,it’s a vicious circle.
Also we don’t want buy players who where good but they’re lookin for a final big pay day at the end of there career.
 

TET

Well-known member
We need CL money. We need players of quality to secure it. We have regressed these last two years. We have sold a couple of our better players. We have brought nothing of the same quality. We are a few weeks away from CL qualification. We are looking at players who excite no one apart from their agents. We allegedly have walked away from Turnball. We were looking to keep Lustig. We are linked with Hooper and other ex players because they are free. May be tosh as most rumours are, but it’s a worry.

If Lowell is as good as TET believes, why do the vast majority look at transfer windows with dread.?

Is it because we try to improve year on year or we do fuck all but dither then buy cheap who are no better or Loans who we improve for other clubs?

We were told we were a CL club by Lawell. Does anybody actually believe we are anywhere near that? Does anybody believe we ever will be under Lowell?

If you do, you’re fucking mental, or Lawell.
re read your posts and see if your madness makes any sense
your now quoting me as suggesting shit I never ever have.

your latest ejaculation contradicts everything you said in every other post

we need better players you say

but mcginn ant better
neither is turnbull

so your hatred of lawell for not overspending on sub par players is ludicrous
 

TET

Well-known member
So really that only left 17M and would any new players be expected from this 17M or was that included within the wages part?
Maria

its my belief that with sale last year we should have 50 million in bank

if we going for cl thats income of 105 million

our cost of players plus all other costs must not go over 105 assuming we reach champions league

if we don't reach champions league but get europa league costs must not go over 80 million total

if we fail both costs must not go over 55 million

now we going for 105 million approx

so setting costs of player around 75 million is risky but worth the gamble to get 105 minus the costs we probably only get 5 million profit.

so we have 50 million to spend on players and we can risk wages up to 75 million including champions league bonuses

these are my figures but I suspect their pretty accurate

if wages were 60 million with Rodger sea dembele
I conclude wages are around 54 million with Lennon instead

if we sell the dross we get it down further then we can invest in better players with capital investment from the 50 the lot if it makes sense

and we can raise wages to 75 million max to get that 105 hopefully even more.

thats my plan

that my be too risky

but its my metrics

and McGinn aint part of a value added for me

neither is trunrbull

not unless they are very low wages and know they aren't getting many games next 2 years.
 

Maria

Well-known member
Maria

its my belief that with sale last year we should have 50 million in bank

if we going for cl thats income of 105 million

our cost of players plus all other costs must not go over 105 assuming we reach champions league

if we don't reach champions league but get europa league costs must not go over 80 million total

if we fail both costs must not go over 55 million

now we going for 105 million approx

so setting costs of player around 75 million is risky but worth the gamble to get 105 minus the costs we probably only get 5 million profit.

so we have 50 million to spend on players and we can risk wages up to 75 million including champions league bonuses

these are my figures but I suspect their pretty accurate

if wages were 60 million with Rodger sea dembele
I conclude wages are around 54 million with Lennon instead

if we sell the dross we get it down further then we can invest in better players with capital investment from the 50 the lot if it makes sense

and we can raise wages to 75 million max to get that 105 hopefully even more.

thats my plan

that my be too risky

but its my metrics

and McGinn aint part of a value added for me

neither is trunrbull

not unless they are very low wages and know they aren't getting many games next 2 years.

Got you. Thanx. Seems like our overriding problem the past 2 years is our expenses and hording players.

God only knows how their going to bring the expansion plans estimated at 800M to fruition
 
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