Resolution 12 Update

Imatim

Well-known member
I do not think that the five way agreement makes any difference to the case, its the initial act of submitting false documents regards the licence that is the crime, for this is were the shareholders are decieved and deprived through fraud of what is rightfully theirs.
Were Celtic could be in bother (if it materialises they knew before the admittance in the high court and now in the public domain) I would imagine is been privvy to information and known a fraud has taken place did not act in the interest of their shareholders and in doing so fraudently or naively failed to carry out the dereliction of their duty and failed to represent the shareholders.
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I’ve mentioned this previously Boab.....if it could be legally established that the Celtic Board or official(s) of the Club, acted against the best interests of shareholders, by conspiring/colluding to maintain a duopoly, which resulted in having a detrimental financial effect on their shareholding, (Multi Millions £ loss of income) then a potential class action by relevant shareholders could be initiated against those responsible.

Does the resolute resistance we are seeing to Resolution 12 have something to do with self preservation?
 

TET

Well-known member
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There is little doubt in most minds now that illegal activities were at play and High Court evidence has established this is the case.

It then begs the question - If there is indeed an indemnity re the Huns written in to the secret 5 way agreement, was this indemnity added to this agreement as a means of protecting those guilty of potential illegal activities?

If this is established, then it would appear that the parties/signatories to this secret agreement, have potentially colluded to pervert the course of justice.

Could this scenario legally implicate and include all those who were consulted and gave their blessing, so to speak, to this alleged indemnity.

Could this possibly explain why we are witnessing such resistance to Resolution 12 from those we would have expected to be on Board with it?

What’s your take on this Boab?....and anyone else?
The one thing that might be the issue is

Does every other club in Scotland run at a loss nearly every season with some fruity accounting and tax jiggery pokery to stay afloat, have a team, and bring perks for the directors that are not often declared?

If so then perhaps thats the stymy as to why there is no appetite.

Would prosecutions at Sevco result in every director of every club suddenly in a legal hole.

Another potential problem might be the courts themselves.

Are games (albeit run as businesses) subject to sort out amongst yourself legal stuff, since if Ludo became big business and it turned out everybody was at the jiggery pokery (for the most part) would courts be interested in hearing the case of secret agreements about a game cause the fans are upset?

Question is

Do clubs like Morton, Falkirk, Dundee Utd etc...

Do these clubs run at massive losses every year?

If so what's in it for the directors, shareholders?

Take Hamilton as example

If you go onto companies house they have a really odd ownership system, not unlike the Sevco system.

They have directors who are in themselves companies and often those director companies have the same directors as The club part?

So why have such a weird system?

Perhaps a tax loop dodge of some kind?

One of the companies that was a director of Hamilton was a strange company. It went burst often over 16 year period then came back many many times.

The last time it went burst was around the time the club was allegedly defrauded out of large sum of money?

May be a coincidence?

But do other clubs have the same weird multi company in a company in a company system that allows a strange, perhaps fraudulent way of getting money into clubs through some odd business manoeuvres of the curious type.

Craig Whyte old company tried pull a fast one with Charles Green as a co-director of Sevco 5088

Then CG resigned before asset transfer and bought the assets for Sevco Scotland his own Company.

Perhaps this is dodge that happens at other clubs?

And these guys took it to extreme knowing it would upset the apple cart if they were successfully prosecuted as team, since they might have evidence that its happening all the time at lots of other clubs.

Sevco 5088 is still claiming it is owed 20 million within a year and claims it was defrauded. They did receive a large payment last year from God knows where, and the directors get large payments every year based on this huge debt they claim they are owed before they are willing to close down that company?


So perhaps the same shit goes on at numerous clubs throughout world.

The current owner of Craig Whytes old company is a company called Worthington group.

And a dude used to have a website alleging and trying to alert world that Worthington group owner is crook who is pals from previous asset stripping ventures with Craig Whyte amongst many others, and one of their alleged hunting grounds was Hong Kong

So perhaps Hong Kong being ex British territory is a hive for crooked business men to create international triangles exploiting legal (perhaps illegal) business triangles involving tax transfer pricing loopholes that generate money by exploiting currency markets and the Vat and tax systems between different continents.


It may well be the entire game across world is one big scam and the drug addicted fans cant see the scam for the love of game.

And perhaps the big money men in world will do everything in their power to keep the games alive.

Might even be lords and knights and high ranking establishment persons are part of the jiggery pokery if it does indeed exist?


Like the roman times

The games were for the amusement of the masses to keep them occupied. We the fans might not really understand the tax games behind the funding. And perhaps the company within a company within a company (Russian doll set up) serves a hidden purpose and perhaps this set up makes it so hard to unravel that it would be pointless exercise.

And it would cost so much to investigate,

And the games serve a bigger purpose internationally,

That exposing the system, if it is corrupt, is last thing any of these big money men want.

The entire game might need to be shut down for years

And in meantime they probably wouldn't successfully prosecute anybody even if they wanted to.

And at end of the day courts might decide its got a handshake deal between the clubs so its not for legal courts to interfere in childish games.

Might just say

"If you think its rigged why waste your time or money watching it.
And if you stop feeding it then it will quickly lose all its corruption since it won't have any fans.

Move along nothing for us to see here."

Imagine you were an avid fan of WWF and thought it was real?

Could you successfully sue the WWF for rigging the show?

Im not sure a court would entertain that.

So would they entertain fans concerns about football being rigged?

Anyway thats just some random thoughts that may or may not have any tangible reality to them.

Just thoughts not accusations

But I often wonder how these wee clubs survive year on year despite low fanbase and crazy wage rises in football?

Is it all just a scam?
 
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michael duffy

Well-known member
The one thing that might be the issue is

Does every other club in Scotland run at a loss nearly every season with some fruity accounting and tax jiggery pokery to stay afloat, have a team, and bring perks for the directors that are not often declared?

If so then perhaps thats the stymy as to why there is no appetite.

Would prosecutions at Sevco result in every director of every club suddenly in a legal hole.

Another potential problem might be the courts themselves.

Are games (albeit run as businesses) subject to sort out amongst yourself legal stuff, since if Ludo became big business and it turned out everybody was at the jiggery pokery (for the most part) would courts be interested in hearing the case of secret agreements about a game cause the fans are upset?

Question is

Do clubs like Morton, Falkirk, Dundee Utd etc...

Do these clubs run at massive losses every year?

If so what's in it for the directors, shareholders?

Take Hamilton as example

If you go onto companies house they have a really odd ownership system, not unlike the Sevco system.

They have directors who are in themselves companies and often those director companies have the same directors as The club part?

So why have such a weird system?

Perhaps a tax loop dodge of some kind?

One of the companies that was a director of Hamilton was a strange company. It went burst often over 16 year period then came back many many times.

The last time it went burst was around the time the club was allegedly defrauded out of large sum of money?

May be a coincidence?

But do other clubs have the same weird multi company in a company in a company system that allows a strange, perhaps fraudulent way of getting money into clubs through some odd business manoeuvres of the curious type.

Craig Whyte old company tried pull a fast one with Charles Green as a co-director of Sevco 5088

Then CG resigned before asset transfer and bought the assets for Sevco Scotland his own Company.

Perhaps this is dodge that happens at other clubs?

And these guys took it to extreme knowing it would upset the apple cart if they were successfully prosecuted as team, since they might have evidence that its happening all the time at lots of other clubs.

Sevco 5088 is still claiming it is owed 20 million within a year and claims it was defrauded. They did receive a large payment last year from God knows where, and the directors get large payments every year based on this huge debt they claim they are owed before they are willing to close down that company?


So perhaps the same shit goes on at numerous clubs throughout world.

The current owner of Craig Whytes old company is a company called Worthington group.

And a dude used to have a website alleging and trying to alert world that Worthington group owner is crook who is pals from previous asset stripping ventures with Craig Whyte amongst many others, and one of their alleged hunting grounds was Hong Kong

So perhaps Hong Kong being ex British territory is a hive for crooked business men to create international triangles exploiting legal (perhaps illegal) business triangles involving tax transfer pricing loopholes that generate money by exploiting currency markets and the Vat and tax systems between different continents.


It may well be the entire game across world is one big scam and the drug addicted fans cant see the scam for the love of game.

And perhaps the big money men in world will do everything in their power to keep the games alive.

Might even be lords and knights and high ranking establishment persons are part of the jiggery pokery if it does indeed exist?


Like the roman times

The games were for the amusement of the masses to keep them occupied. We the fans might not really understand the tax games behind the funding. And perhaps the company within a company within a company (Russian doll set up) serves a hidden purpose and perhaps this set up makes it so hard to unravel that it would be pointless exercise.

And it would cost so much to investigate,

And the games serve a bigger purpose internationally,

That exposing the system, if it is corrupt, is last thing any of these big money men want.

The entire game might need to be shut down for years

And in meantime they probably wouldn't successfully prosecute anybody even if they wanted to.

And at end of the day courts might decide its got a handshake deal between the clubs so its not for legal courts to interfere in childish games.

Might just say

"If you think its rigged why waste your time or money watching it.
And if you stop feeding it then it will quickly lose all its corruption since it won't have any fans.

Move along nothing for us to see here."

Imagine you were an avid fan of WWF and thought it was real?

Could you successfully sue the WWF for rigging the show?

Im not sure a court would entertain that.

So would they entertain fans concerns about football being rigged?

Anyway thats just some random thoughts that may or may not have any tangible reality to them.

Just thoughts not accusations

But I often wonder how these wee clubs survive year on year despite low fanbase and crazy wage rises in football?

Is it all just a scam?
Think your spot on TET,when you have state sponsored cheating, in, say, athletics, financially doped football clubs under corrupt regimes, Fifa,Eufa, Sfa,,,,, whit's the feckin point! Fair play, MUUAHAAHAHAHAH! 🍺
 

Winter

Well-known member
Your question is not daft at all mate..
I would say the RES 12 Bhoys are looking for justice from the SFA because as we know it was the holding back of the licence which allowed sevco to compete in Europe and it was the SFA who held the licence back..
This licence was held back because the SFA knew sevco were not debt free when this licence had to be signed,,so the officer in charge of this procedure failed to do his job knowing that Celtic automatically take the place of sevco providing they are debt free which they were..
It was a fraudulent act committed by an office bearer of the SFA..
I think RES 12 want the SFA to hold their hands up to this crime,,this was a fraudulent act commited by the SFA..
As far as compensation is concerned I cant see this happening..
No titles will change hands,we would not be awarded any titles where we finished in second place..
Why would they not jail the SFA officer who committed this fraudulent act,,they jailed the great train robbers for 30 years for £3,000,000 this guy cost Celtic football club £20,000,000 by commiting a fraudulent act,if he had told the truth about sevco and their debt Celtic would automatically have leapfrogged sevco into Europe..
I think the only way sevco can be punished is for them to be told by EUFA they are a new club formed in 2012 and their first trophy success will be recorded if and when it happens..

HH.
Spot on GS recognition is the word for the fraudulent acts committed against Scottish football clubs Celtic in particular and the governing body . That would require someone as a scapegoat cant see it but never know ☘
 

Imatim

Well-known member
The one thing that might be the issue is

Does every other club in Scotland run at a loss nearly every season with some fruity accounting and tax jiggery pokery to stay afloat, have a team, and bring perks for the directors that are not often declared?

If so then perhaps thats the stymy as to why there is no appetite.

Would prosecutions at Sevco result in every director of every club suddenly in a legal hole.

Another potential problem might be the courts themselves.

Are games (albeit run as businesses) subject to sort out amongst yourself legal stuff, since if Ludo became big business and it turned out everybody was at the jiggery pokery (for the most part) would courts be interested in hearing the case of secret agreements about a game cause the fans are upset?

Question is

Do clubs like Morton, Falkirk, Dundee Utd etc...

Do these clubs run at massive losses every year?

If so what's in it for the directors, shareholders?

Take Hamilton as example

If you go onto companies house they have a really odd ownership system, not unlike the Sevco system.

They have directors who are in themselves companies and often those director companies have the same directors as The club part?

So why have such a weird system?

Perhaps a tax loop dodge of some kind?

One of the companies that was a director of Hamilton was a strange company. It went burst often over 16 year period then came back many many times.

The last time it went burst was around the time the club was allegedly defrauded out of large sum of money?

May be a coincidence?

But do other clubs have the same weird multi company in a company in a company system that allows a strange, perhaps fraudulent way of getting money into clubs through some odd business manoeuvres of the curious type.

Craig Whyte old company tried pull a fast one with Charles Green as a co-director of Sevco 5088

Then CG resigned before asset transfer and bought the assets for Sevco Scotland his own Company.

Perhaps this is dodge that happens at other clubs?

And these guys took it to extreme knowing it would upset the apple cart if they were successfully prosecuted as team, since they might have evidence that its happening all the time at lots of other clubs.

Sevco 5088 is still claiming it is owed 20 million within a year and claims it was defrauded. They did receive a large payment last year from God knows where, and the directors get large payments every year based on this huge debt they claim they are owed before they are willing to close down that company?


So perhaps the same shit goes on at numerous clubs throughout world.

The current owner of Craig Whytes old company is a company called Worthington group.

And a dude used to have a website alleging and trying to alert world that Worthington group owner is crook who is pals from previous asset stripping ventures with Craig Whyte amongst many others, and one of their alleged hunting grounds was Hong Kong

So perhaps Hong Kong being ex British territory is a hive for crooked business men to create international triangles exploiting legal (perhaps illegal) business triangles involving tax transfer pricing loopholes that generate money by exploiting currency markets and the Vat and tax systems between different continents.


It may well be the entire game across world is one big scam and the drug addicted fans cant see the scam for the love of game.

And perhaps the big money men in world will do everything in their power to keep the games alive.

Might even be lords and knights and high ranking establishment persons are part of the jiggery pokery if it does indeed exist?


Like the roman times

The games were for the amusement of the masses to keep them occupied. We the fans might not really understand the tax games behind the funding. And perhaps the company within a company within a company (Russian doll set up) serves a hidden purpose and perhaps this set up makes it so hard to unravel that it would be pointless exercise.

And it would cost so much to investigate,

And the games serve a bigger purpose internationally,

That exposing the system, if it is corrupt, is last thing any of these big money men want.

The entire game might need to be shut down for years

And in meantime they probably wouldn't successfully prosecute anybody even if they wanted to.

And at end of the day courts might decide its got a handshake deal between the clubs so its not for legal courts to interfere in childish games.

Might just say

"If you think its rigged why waste your time or money watching it.
And if you stop feeding it then it will quickly lose all its corruption since it won't have any fans.

Move along nothing for us to see here."

Imagine you were an avid fan of WWF and thought it was real?

Could you successfully sue the WWF for rigging the show?

Im not sure a court would entertain that.

So would they entertain fans concerns about football being rigged?

Anyway thats just some random thoughts that may or may not have any tangible reality to them.

Just thoughts not accusations

But I often wonder how these wee clubs survive year on year despite low fanbase and crazy wage rises in football?

Is it all just a scam?
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Hong Kong you say?

Money laundering you say?

Crooked Hong Kong businessmen you say?

I wonder.....Are any businessmen from Hong Kong involved with Rangers IL?
 

kelly

Well-known member
The one thing that might be the issue is

Does every other club in Scotland run at a loss nearly every season with some fruity accounting and tax jiggery pokery to stay afloat, have a team, and bring perks for the directors that are not often declared?

If so then perhaps thats the stymy as to why there is no appetite.

Would prosecutions at Sevco result in every director of every club suddenly in a legal hole.

Another potential problem might be the courts themselves.

Are games (albeit run as businesses) subject to sort out amongst yourself legal stuff, since if Ludo became big business and it turned out everybody was at the jiggery pokery (for the most part) would courts be interested in hearing the case of secret agreements about a game cause the fans are upset?

Question is

Do clubs like Morton, Falkirk, Dundee Utd etc...

Do these clubs run at massive losses every year?

If so what's in it for the directors, shareholders?

Take Hamilton as example

If you go onto companies house they have a really odd ownership system, not unlike the Sevco system.

They have directors who are in themselves companies and often those director companies have the same directors as The club part?

So why have such a weird system?

Perhaps a tax loop dodge of some kind?

One of the companies that was a director of Hamilton was a strange company. It went burst often over 16 year period then came back many many times.

The last time it went burst was around the time the club was allegedly defrauded out of large sum of money?

May be a coincidence?

But do other clubs have the same weird multi company in a company in a company system that allows a strange, perhaps fraudulent way of getting money into clubs through some odd business manoeuvres of the curious type.

Craig Whyte old company tried pull a fast one with Charles Green as a co-director of Sevco 5088

Then CG resigned before asset transfer and bought the assets for Sevco Scotland his own Company.

Perhaps this is dodge that happens at other clubs?

And these guys took it to extreme knowing it would upset the apple cart if they were successfully prosecuted as team, since they might have evidence that its happening all the time at lots of other clubs.

Sevco 5088 is still claiming it is owed 20 million within a year and claims it was defrauded. They did receive a large payment last year from God knows where, and the directors get large payments every year based on this huge debt they claim they are owed before they are willing to close down that company?


So perhaps the same shit goes on at numerous clubs throughout world.

The current owner of Craig Whytes old company is a company called Worthington group.

And a dude used to have a website alleging and trying to alert world that Worthington group owner is crook who is pals from previous asset stripping ventures with Craig Whyte amongst many others, and one of their alleged hunting grounds was Hong Kong

So perhaps Hong Kong being ex British territory is a hive for crooked business men to create international triangles exploiting legal (perhaps illegal) business triangles involving tax transfer pricing loopholes that generate money by exploiting currency markets and the Vat and tax systems between different continents.


It may well be the entire game across world is one big scam and the drug addicted fans cant see the scam for the love of game.

And perhaps the big money men in world will do everything in their power to keep the games alive.

Might even be lords and knights and high ranking establishment persons are part of the jiggery pokery if it does indeed exist?


Like the roman times

The games were for the amusement of the masses to keep them occupied. We the fans might not really understand the tax games behind the funding. And perhaps the company within a company within a company (Russian doll set up) serves a hidden purpose and perhaps this set up makes it so hard to unravel that it would be pointless exercise.

And it would cost so much to investigate,

And the games serve a bigger purpose internationally,

That exposing the system, if it is corrupt, is last thing any of these big money men want.

The entire game might need to be shut down for years

And in meantime they probably wouldn't successfully prosecute anybody even if they wanted to.

And at end of the day courts might decide its got a handshake deal between the clubs so its not for legal courts to interfere in childish games.

Might just say

"If you think its rigged why waste your time or money watching it.
And if you stop feeding it then it will quickly lose all its corruption since it won't have any fans.

Move along nothing for us to see here."

Imagine you were an avid fan of WWF and thought it was real?

Could you successfully sue the WWF for rigging the show?

Im not sure a court would entertain that.

So would they entertain fans concerns about football being rigged?

Anyway thats just some random thoughts that may or may not have any tangible reality to them.

Just thoughts not accusations

But I often wonder how these wee clubs survive year on year despite low fanbase and crazy wage rises in football?

Is it all just a scam?
Most clubs run at a loss it helps offset tax ,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46511940
 

TET

Well-known member
Most clubs run at a loss it helps offset tax ,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46511940
Heres one of the webpages of the bloke trying to expose Worthington Group scams

Sounds kinda familiar to the fiasco run by sevco to me albeit at a football club with investors from the same continents :p

 

Winning Captains Bolingoli

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kelly

Well-known member
In the heat of Felton - examining Celtic's stance on Resolution 12 from the Central California coast...

looking forward to this
 

Theverdict1

Well-known member
What can be written that's new? This topic has generated millions of words, claims, predictions and angst. The bottom line is the Celtic Board aren't interested. And as long as that situation continues, then Res 12 is and will remain where it is. Going nowhere fast. If after 8 years nothing has happened, and the recent AGM binning it, the possibility that anyone other than our board pick up the ball is as remote as Hearts winning the league.

How do you ressurect a dead horse? For that is exactly what the board have made it. Another 8 million words won't change that if no one is listening who actually matter. And the bottom line is our board have zero intention. Our board only take punches, they never throw any.
 

boab1916

Well-known member
faith and magic does happen, just have to believe.

@[B]ThisDayIrish[/B] 5h5 hours ago



This day 59 years ago – 20 January 1961 – John F. Kennedy was inaugurated as U.S. President, the first ever Roman Catholic. All four of his grandparents were the children of Irish immigrants. Celebrations were also held in his ancestral hometown of New Ross, Co Wexford.
 

Theverdict1

Well-known member
faith and magic does happen, just have to believe.

@[B]ThisDayIrish[/B] 5h5 hours ago



This day 59 years ago – 20 January 1961 – John F. Kennedy was inaugurated as U.S. President, the first ever Roman Catholic. All four of his grandparents were the children of Irish immigrants. Celebrations were also held in his ancestral hometown of New Ross, Co Wexford.
Can't see how that has anything to do with it, but, if you believe in faith and magic then I applaud your child like optimism. It doesn't affect anything though, faith never does, or magic. One allows you to be feel good about stuff you have no evidence for, the other doesn't exist. Not my first choice of routes to lead a life by.

Evidence and reality.
 

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