Rules around attending matches.

Cairnsybhoy79

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Every one of us has the potential to be a conduit for this virus, whether we've been vaccinated or not. But as I stated in an earlier post, those who HAVE been vaccinated are not as seriously affected as those who haven't. As for your comment that " it's the vaccinated that are catching it ". Well, I think it's worth revisiting that CB. Simply NOT true.
The reports I seen said the vaccinated are getting infected at a very high rate are u saying that's untrue??
 

Glasbhoy81

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Then perhaps we should have you in the SFA glasbhoy because I dont believe for a minute they will make it that simple as it should be also what about all those whove already attended CP for games with no checks, as I said something is required but its already too late and it is creating a two tier system. I'm vaccinated but it doesnt mean that I cant catch it and spread it so the one time showing of a VP doesn't seem to fit imho. You have a decent idea of how to do something but it wont fix things also some people cannot get the vaccine due to various underlying health issues should they therefore be excluded from supporting the club theyve been following for a lifetime because they dont have it? This will be a complete mess
People who can't be vaccinated are exempt, just like face masks. It won't be down to the SFA or SPFL, it will be the responsibility of the individual clubs to enforce the law, same as they do for alcohol.
As of those who have already attended without checks, that doesn't really matter it only matters when the law comes into play.
 

Cairnsybhoy79

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To be fair no ONE with Covid19 can enter any venue with the disease Cairnsy but having the vaccine makes it less likely that you’ll be hospitalised and no one has said being vaccinated means you cannot get the bug same with the FLU jag you can still catch the Flu. No Vaccine is 100% Only person with no chance of catching anything
Barkas

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I'm no expert pal but I just think these passport ideas are so stupid if the "vaccine" doesn't vaccinate so there cud be 60,000 way a passport at parkhead and everyone of them is infected mental mate
 

Glasbhoy81

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The reports I seen said the vaccinated are getting infected at a very high rate are u saying that's untrue??
I would say that's untrue. No vaccine is 100% effective and people who have been double vaccinated have been getting infected but not in very high numbers.
The people who have been vaccinated and have caught covid, the systems are a lot less severe. Have a wee read of this
 

MickyMcMick

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If you feel ill you stay at home till you feel better that’s always been the way whether you had a doze of the shits of the flu or whatever keep it to yourself it should be the same with COVID it’s not like it’s killing people on every street,the world population has went up by 120 million since the pandemic was declared that up not down personally I’ve had enough of it all,I try to keep my interaction on here light hearted normally but I really think discrimination is discrimination be it on religious race creed colour or health grounds remember how lepers were treated any society that wants to shun me discriminate against me isolate me because I haven’t had jab that Im not convinced will benefit me and may even cause me harm I already have a heart condition I can do without potential blood clots or myocarditis ,is a society that I want no part of,one of the accusations the Nazis made of the Jews amongst lots of others was that they were spreaders of disease I know my opinion on this makes me a bit of an outsider and a lot of people won’t agree with me and that’s fine but be careful what you wish for ,I can see the vaccine passport morph in to a Chinese style social credit system where you are excluded from whatever the government says because you don’t meet their criteria or you haven’t said anything nice about your government this week .
Sorry for the rant it’s just what I think on the subject I’ll try to stick to fitba and dubious jokes in future
 

Cairnsybhoy79

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I would say that's untrue. No vaccine is 100% effective and people who have been double vaccinated have been getting infected but not in very high numbers.
The people who have been vaccinated and have caught covid, the systems are a lot less severe. Have a wee read of this
The numbers in the US are huge of people that have been double vaxxed I'm not anti
If you feel ill you stay at home till you feel better that’s always been the way whether you had a doze of the shits of the flu or whatever keep it to yourself it should be the same with COVID it’s not like it’s killing people on every street,the world population has went up by 120 million since the pandemic was declared that up not down personally I’ve had enough of it all,I try to keep my interaction on here light hearted normally but I really think discrimination is discrimination be it on religious race creed colour or health grounds remember how lepers were treated any society that wants to shun me discriminate against me isolate me because I haven’t had jab that Im not convinced will benefit me and may even cause me harm I already have a heart condition I can do without potential blood clots or myocarditis ,is a society that I want no part of,one of the accusations the Nazis made of the Jews amongst lots of others was that they were spreaders of disease I know my opinion on this makes me a bit of an outsider and a lot of people won’t agree with me and that’s fine but be careful what you wish for ,I can see the vaccine passport morph in to a Chinese style social credit system where you are excluded from whatever the government says because you don’t meet their criteria or you haven’t said anything nice about your government this week .
Sorry for the rant it’s just what I think on the subject I’ll try to stick to fitba and dubious jokes in future
At the start of this pandemic we were told to expect hundreds of millions dead but the world's population has actually risen wit gets me is the amount of people who die every year way the flu but we don't get forced into getting a flu jab to go see the celtic
 

Glasbhoy81

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The numbers in the US are huge of people that have been double vaxxed I'm not anti
At the start of this pandemic we were told to expect hundreds of millions dead but the world's population has actually risen wit gets me is the amount of people who die every year way the flu but we don't get forced into getting a flu jab to go see the celtic
The difference with covid and the flu is the flu doesn't cripple the NHS. There is already over 1000 people in hospital with covid
 

Bridie Bhoy

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I would say that's untrue. No vaccine is 100% effective and people who have been double vaccinated have been getting infected but not in very high numbers.
The people who have been vaccinated and have caught covid, the systems are a lot less severe. Have a wee read of this
Being vaccinated means you are less likely to catch the virus and less likely to be seriously ill if you do catch it - but even if you are vaccinated you can still catch it, you can still be seriously ill and you can still die from the effects of the virus. That is just the brutal truth about viruses.

This virus is here forever - it won't go away. Like all viruses it mutates all the time (this is not part of a masterplan to try to beat vaccines - it purely is a fault in its reproduction). Now the vast majority of these mutations may adversely affect the virus and either result in death of the mutant or mean it is less effective at surviving. However, very very rarely one of these mutations may result in something that makes the virus more effective at spreading - this has been seen with the 4 variants from Alpha through to Delta (previously named Kent to to Indian variants).

The problem is that the more people that get seriously ill means there is a much higher chance of the virus mutating into a new variant which is easier spread, more deadly to its hosts (people) and possibly more resistant to current vaccines or drug treatments. By having large numbers of people refusing to get double vaccinated (and then following up with boosters possibly every year or two in the future) means that we are more likely to see more variants in the future which our health services - and our bodies - can't cope with.

That is the real consequences of not getting vaccinated - so not only are they risking their own health, but everyone else's by increasing the chances of a more aggressive and deadly variant appearing in the future.
 

MickyMcMick

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The difference with covid and the flu is the flu doesn't cripple the NHS. There is already over 1000 people in hospital with covid
Every year for as long as I can remember newspaper headlines in winter have screamed HNS in crises in the past year 6000 beds have been lost so that’s not helping either
 

Frank Owen

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The reports I seen said the vaccinated are getting infected at a very high rate are u saying that's untrue??
No, I'm saying your comment " it's the vaccinated who are catching it" is untrue. Perhaps I should give you the benefit of doubt and say it's grossly misleading. Or, conversely, maybe you could concede it would've been more accurate to say those who are vaccinated are STILL being infected. Absolutely everyone if us is at risk. Vaccinated or not.
 

Glasbhoy81

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Every year for as long as I can remember newspaper headlines in winter have screamed HNS in crises in the past year 6000 beds have been lost so that’s not helping either
There are 13000 NHS hospital beds in Scotland. Over 1000 of those beds are currently occupied by people with covid. If that keeps going up we will be put back into lockdown.
If vaccine passports can help stop that am all for it.
 

Cairnsybhoy79

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No, I'm saying your comment " it's the vaccinated who are catching it" is untrue. Perhaps I should give you the benefit of doubt and say it's grossly misleading. Or, conversely, maybe you could concede it would've been more accurate to say those who are vaccinated are STILL being infected. Absolutely everyone if us is at risk. Vaccinated or not.
I'm not trying to be a fanny here mate I just don't agree way certain aspects of how this has been handled from the start they rushed vaccines out that don't really work that well and yes nothing can he 100% but people who are double jabbed are now expected to go for boosters where does it end???
 

MickyMcMick

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Being vaccinated means you are less likely to catch the virus and less likely to be seriously ill if you do catch it - but even if you are vaccinated you can still catch it, you can still be seriously ill and you can still die from the effects of the virus. That is just the brutal truth about viruses.

This virus is here forever - it won't go away. Like all viruses it mutates all the time (this is not part of a masterplan to try to beat vaccines - it purely is a fault in its reproduction). Now the vast majority of these mutations may adversely affect the virus and either result in death of the mutant or mean it is less effective at surviving. However, very very rarely one of these mutations may result in something that makes the virus more effective at spreading - this has been seen with the 4 variants from Alpha through to Delta (previously named Kent to to Indian variants).

The problem is that the more people that get seriously ill means there is a much higher chance of the virus mutating into a new variant which is easier spread, more deadly to its hosts (people) and possibly more resistant to current vaccines or drug treatments. By having large numbers of people refusing to get double vaccinated (and then following up with boosters possibly every year or two in the future) means that we are more likely to see more variants in the future which our health services - and our bodies - can't cope with.

That is the real consequences of not getting vaccinated - so not only are they risking their own health, but everyone else's by increasing the chances of a more aggressive and deadly variant appearing in the future.
What about vaccine escape where a virus mutation becomes stronger in response to imperfect vaccine in this case the more deadly mutation is a response to the vaccine and infact we may be have been better off letting nature take its course as a virus will normally mutate into less deadly but more easily spread version of its self as killing its host is counterproductive in nature as it leads also to the end of the virus residing in the host.and as I said in another post covid is not much worse than a bad flu ask any undertaker if they’re snowed under with work, they’re not
 

Cairnsybhoy79

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What about vaccine escape where a virus mutation becomes stronger in response to imperfect vaccine in this case the more deadly mutation is a response to the vaccine and infact we may be have been better off letting nature take its course as a virus will normally mutate into less deadly but more easily spread version of its self as killing its host is counterproductive in nature as it leads also to the end of the virus residing in the host.and as I said in another post covid is not much worse than a bad flu ask any undertaker if they’re snowed under with work, they’re not
Thats wit I honestly think we shud have done let it run it's course use the therapeutics until we get herd immunity theres no way I'd let my kids be jabbed with that so called vaccine it's the first time in history of humanity that live human experimentation has been allowed and actually celebrated weirdly its a strange world we now live in by the way the "vaccines" still not been certified I wonder why🤫
 

JamSam67

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I'm not trying to be a fanny here mate I just don't agree way certain aspects of how this has been handled from the start they rushed vaccines out that don't really work that well and yes nothing can he 100% but people who are double jabbed are now expected to go for boosters where does it end???
Feel free to read Bridie’s post and hear the brilliant young female on Boabs post.
I like millions of others get the FLU jab every year and knew from the first Covid19 jab that it wasn’t going to be a one time jag. I knew that Boosters were going to be a way of life/living. From early on.
Ive Lost like others from this Fekin Disease
Would love to move on like the rest of us
But we still need to look out for those that need it by simply being vigilant
Wash your hands,wear your mask, and save lives. Mon the NHS

HH 🙏
 

MickyMcMick

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There are 13000 NHS hospital beds in Scotland. Over 1000 of those beds are currently occupied by people with covid. If that keeps going up we will be put back into lockdown.
If vaccine passports can help stop that am all for it.
how many are occupied by self Inflicted lifestyle obesity for example causes an incredible amount of disease and hospitalisation shall we ban fat folk from the bakers ration crisps have a passport for the biscuit and cake isle in Asda if it reduces pressure on the NHS I know that sounds flippant mate but It’s the same principle,if passports are accepted there will be no end to it it’s a slippery slope,the thin end of a fucking fat wedge that’s why Im dead against them but each to their own.
 

JamSam67

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Thats wit I honestly think we shud have done let it run it's course use the therapeutics until we get herd immunity theres no way I'd let my kids be jabbed with that so called vaccine it's the first time in history of humanity that live human experimentation has been allowed and actually celebrated weirdly its a strange world we now live in by the way the "vaccines" still not been certified I wonder why🤫
That’s what the genius that Boris Johnson thought. Then he caught it. Didny work then won’t work now

HH 😱
 
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