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He has been here far too long and made millions out of us. He has to go NOW.
Johnny, I understand your frustration, but you only have to look at the bloated grotesquerie down south to see what can happen if football clubs are driven by an incapable party.

Bolton, Portsmouth, Hull and Sunderland have all suffered at the hands of poor leadership and that is only the tip of the iceberg.

Peter Lawwell does not have the expertise to make football related decisions and that may well be a failing on his part; however - he has steadied a ship which was haemorrhaging money through the MON era, as we tried to compete against a financially doped monstrosity.

He's made massive miscalculations, but none (as yet) which have been catastrophic.

We sometimes have to be careful what we wish for......
 
Maria we have lost one gme of football and tactically got it wrong, now according to some we are shite, a costly mistake agreed but shut down the whole season and not allow guys to settle, interior motives afoot on the Celtic blogs with haters venting their anger. This has been Celtic since 1888 and yet here we stand big and proud 131 years old. Not bad for a club in crisis.

We are not shite. The defence is shite and Lenny’s performance was shite. Mid to front we can be excellent but if we don’t fix the defence and Lenny continues to make a complete arse of big games we may well become shite.

That’s the issue.
 
Johnny, I understand your frustration, but you only have to look at the bloated grotesquerie down south to see what can happen if football clubs are driven by an incapable party.

Bolton, Portsmouth, Hull and Sunderland have all suffered at the hands of poor leadership and that is only the tip of the iceberg.

Peter Lawwell does not have the expertise to make football related decisions and that may well be a failing on his part; however - he has steadied a ship which was haemorrhaging money through the MON era, as we tried to compete against a financially doped monstrosity.

He's made massive miscalculations, but none (as yet) which have been catastrophic.

We sometimes have to be careful what we wish for......
He has been here for too long, he should never have given Neil Lennon the job without interviewing other candidates, he gave Ronny Deila the managers job because he was a cheap option when Steve Clarke was available, he gave Neil Lennon the managers job twice, again as cheap options.

The first time, Neil lennon could not even win a treble with Sevco out of the way. I could go on, but that will do for now.
 
Keep him aye he's good at his job but he has to be distanced from the actual footballing side. Let him be CEO and leave D.O.F and chief scout etc to others who know what they are doing

I totally agree Winter but I question if PL is actually capable of leaving others to get on with the job. Unfortunately, the world just now is full of people who have to have complete control over others and are unable to leave them to get on with their duties of the roll. I’m no expert but can see signs that point to this at Celtic FC. I would love us to get a clear system for scouting and recruitment and a DOF but while PL is still in post as CEO I therefore have misgivings about how autonomous they would actually be allowed to operate.
 
I totally agree Winter but I question if PL is actually capable of leaving others to get on with the job. Unfortunately, the world just now is full of people who have to have complete control over others and are unable to leave them to get on with their duties of the roll. I’m no expert but can see signs that point to this at Celtic FC. I would love us to get a clear system for scouting and recruitment and a DOF but while PL is still in post as CEO I therefore have misgivings about how autonomous they would actually be allowed to operate.
Rose, that is one of the big concerns I do have about Peter Lawwell. It's one thing to be a "hands on" type of guy, it's another thing completely to want to exert total control of the operation.

The evidence being presented from certain quarters would suggest that he has way too much influence in matters which should be beyond his remit; however - it is difficult to verify this due to the lack of transparency from the hierarchy.

Any successful business can only function if specialist people are given full jurisdiction in their specialist roles. If there are varying opinions on costings and evaluations, then that may lead to conflict, but regardless of that in our case - football matters should be entrusted to football people and financial matters entrusted to the financiers.

If the football people are provided with a budget for transfers, then how they utilise that budget should be entirely up to them. If they fail in their decision making, then it is fair to judge them harshly by that standard.

It is not clear if this is currently the case at Celtic, but it would appear that certain parties within the board exert far too much influence on our transfer policy, either in negotiations or in targetting players.

If someone is entrusted to perform a task, they should be left to get on with said task. If they are incapable of performing said task capably, then they alone are accountable.

Excellent points very well presented in your post, Rose
 
He has been here for too long, he should never have given Neil Lennon the job without interviewing other candidates, he gave Ronny Deila the managers job because he was a cheap option when Steve Clarke was available, he gave Neil Lennon the managers job twice, again as cheap options.

The first time, Neil lennon could not even win a treble with Sevco out of the way. I could go on, but that will do for now.
As in the previous response, I do understand your frustration, Johnny, but football will never be an exact science and there are far too many variables in any given game to accurately predict what will happen in terms of winning trophies.

Celtic should be regularly competing in the deep end of domestic tournaments, but a poor refereeing decision, poor weather conditions, a long injury list and suspensions can all impact on the outcome.

I do agree that there is a natural lifespan for people in certain posts. Celtic should always be looking for successors to the current incumbents of important roles within the club and 15-years is a long time to be in such a prominent position without having a succession plan in place. I also agree entirely that a thorough and proper interview process should have taken place to identify suitable candidates for the permanent managers post and the qualities they would bring to the position.
 
Rose, that is one of the big concerns I do have about Peter Lawwell. It's one thing to be a "hands on" type of guy, it's another thing completely to want to exert total control of the operation.

The evidence being presented from certain quarters would suggest that he has way too much influence in matters which should be beyond his remit; however - it is difficult to verify this due to the lack of transparency from the hierarchy.

Any successful business can only function if specialist people are given full jurisdiction in their specialist roles. If there are varying opinions on costings and evaluations, then that may lead to conflict, but regardless of that in our case - football matters should be entrusted to football people and financial matters entrusted to the financiers.

If the football people are provided with a budget for transfers, then how they utilise that budget should be entirely up to them. If they fail in their decision making, then it is fair to judge them harshly by that standard.

It is not clear if this is currently the case at Celtic, but it would appear that certain parties within the board exert far too much influence on our transfer policy, either in negotiations or in targetting players.

If someone is entrusted to perform a task, they should be left to get on with said task. If they are incapable of performing said task capably, then they alone are accountable.

Excellent points very well presented in your post, Rose

SP you are of course correct in your point about lack of transparency and therefore we cannot verify PL’s style of management.

Was there problems like this with recruitment and hands on when j Park was in post? Might be worthwhile having a look at that and did it work well or was PL hands on then too?
 
The Huns found out by UEFA and despite the SMSM desperation to include us ,for once they are fucked because they know that crowd will never be able to stop their bile and they cannot manipulate or distort news coming straight from Uefa. Are the green brigade smart enough to clean up their song book immediately to keep the pressure on them ?? I doubt it but I here's hoping we deny them ammunition for whataboutery :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
I find this a strange thread. PL has undoubtedly made mistakes as we as fans perceive. He has also overseen arguably our most successful period since Stein and the Lions. So we have failed to qualify for the Champions league a competition that seeks to actively keep out Champions, fancy that!
We have in the last twelve months broken our own incoming transfer record and twice broken our own and Scotlands out going transfer fee. We are treble treble winners. We are bringing through some great young talent.. it's just crap. Really??
I mean we could be signing Martin Hayes Rafael Scheidt and really be facing a bleak day.
Get another couple of defenders in and our outlook will be much improved to take us through the next two seasons.
Be careful what you wish for.
HH
 
great points you make Lmc,
but for me the incoming and out going transfer fees may be current market related. This is where Peter is taking the piss , Dembele and Tierney to name but 2, were going nowhere until the vast majority of the transfers were up front with significant add ons ,ie sell on clauses and such like.

Fantastic work Peter ,,,,,,,,

Then on the flip side he's haggling for pennies on the incommings and forgetting that perhaps every other CEO might actually think the same things.
The McGinn thing is still hanging over him, whether it was politics with Petrie and hibs or what ever, here was a player that as soon as he'd signed would not only have improved the team he would have instantly Doubled in value.
Hibs would not have turned down 5 / 5.5 m...

so peter let's not get to personal in negotiations and pay attention to the bigger picture,,,,,
oh and
"WHO YE BUYING SON"⁹
 
You sound like a realist COWDENPIX just as I am and what you have said today I agree with 100%.
Lmc is not much different from us because we all want the same thing,it looks like the only difference between us is,,he has faith in Lawwell and we dont..
I will never forgive Lawwell for the McGinn fiasco,we would have had one of the most complete midfields in British football today if we had signed this Bhoy,,all he was waiting on was an invitation to put pen to paper,,he got the invitation all right,just from the wrong club..all down to Lawwell and his penny pinching..
In the last year what I can remember is,,£25m for KT,,£20M for Moussa, £9m for Rogers,,£7m for Stuart Armstrong,£7.5m for Van Dyke = £68.5m,,Outlay so far £12m roughly £55m left in the tin,massive wage bill cuts,,,what more needs to be done before we get new faces in before the window closes on our faces once again,,this time Pete you are not gambling on... a John McGinn.... you are gambling on Celtic History,which I hope you are a part of for all the RIGHT REASONS..
Start spending Pete,,no time like the present..HH.
 
We are not shite. The defence is shite and Lenny’s performance was shite. Mid to front we can be excellent but if we don’t fix the defence and Lenny continues to make a complete arse of big games we may well become shite.

That’s the issue.

Totally Agree with the sentiments, of being concerned and proactive is the smart way to run anything, the only hope for maintenance let alone improvement. The very opposite of smug and taking anything in life for granted, naïve deid club sevco-esque.
Lehman brothers was founded in 1850, and there are doubts Noahs ark is still seaworthy.

Back to reality of never assuming or taking anything for granted just because of yesterday or
any supposed age as credence.

Personally strongly disagree that our midfield is solid or remotely reliable defensively , Broony is not able to carry others anymore, and we have no other genuine reliable defensive midfielder, for me that is massive concern. We have been consistently ripped open by any pressing side because we only have Broony.
Going forward we have it and in depth, even think our defence can cope if we sort out and make a commitment to at least 2 defensive midfielders when ever we play any team of any potential.

Ntcham is not the answer, even if he was reliable he is more a attacking ball playing midfielder in Calmacs type of role. neither of them have shown they have the stomach or stamina to be biting all terriers - to be a Broony. Possibly Nir could be best of what we have if not great at the role, but when is he ever used in Midfield?

Every good team has a Broony type, the great ones have at least two of them. Barcelona in their day seemed to have 5 or 6 of them, no obvious space through them, but right now we have green spaces.

Lenny to his credit has got the players pressing better more determined, RC has gone to another level already on stamina, but he'd be a waste of talent in any defensive role. Forrest tries getting back a bit more, but some are still slow and no where near committed enough to help out. So we need another in midfield to have a system of defence, before we need to defend our own box.

Be really disappointed if Lenny does not see this, especially as he played in a team with a midfield system and with at least 2 terrier midfield players Lambert and Thompson, the type we need urgent and does not sort before the transfer window,
guarantee that sevco will swarm midfield as they have at their past 3 fixed ground hatefest games.
 
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