VAR & Refereeing in Scotland

BarrowfieldBhoy said:
The answer will be St. Mirren, Patrick Thistle or some other bs. If pics of Beathun drinking in a hun pub doesn’t influence the RSFA why would asking that question make any difference. They are all liars and cheats.
As I’ve often said imagine Citeh vs Utd, there’s a couple of dodgy decisions and then the ref is spotted drinking in a supporters club or was discovered to have had a season ticket for one of the teams. The fallout would be nuclear.
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Exactly, they would all simply declare themselves as Thistle, Morton, Queen's Park, Airdrie or St M fans. I'd prefer them having to declare any allegiances to societies. Although this does not necessarily mean that they support a certain team (I appreciate things are completely different over here in the east/north east with certain societies - my pal is a goat shagger but is also a Celtic fan, who hates bigotry and sectarian societies such as the OO).
 
Since the inception of VAR we have seen penalties given for the most outrageous reason mostly to the benefit of the new club across the City yet if the same incidents happen in thier box it’s not even looked at, that is a fact of life in Scottish Football, even in Sundays match our player Johnstone was elbowed to the ground outcome He was booked and the thug who carried it a yellow and walked away with a smile on his face, we can moan from now until next season no one is prepared to call it out yes they all make noise about it then it disappears off the page not one outlet picked up what happened to Johnstone if it had been the other way round the Headlines would be screaming for justice if you read the rules printed in a other post which are more or less the same from the 60 ths when I past my Refeeres course today they are just a waste of print game after game we see the rules ignored protection of players what’s that,it’s a coming togeather , his arm is in a natural position and any other excuse to justify thier decision the more they are allowed to do it the more they will take advantage of it Rules What Rules
 
POD said:
Hopefully, Celtic's letter to Willie Collum is the start of the club's meaningful public, and official challenging, of wrong VAR and refereeing decisions. But I will not hold my breath.

A thought on the issue though. While I do not know of the cost of installing a proper VAR system, I wonder, if it is in our greater interest to consider the installation of one, totally independent of that used by the SFA. Purely for Celtic's own use and needs.

Independent non Scottish officials could be brought in for its operation. It could be used by Celtic TV to give a better analysis on contentious decisions.

It could also be used as back up evidence to highlight issues with the controversial SFA version.

The analysis would make the SFA officials wary of public transparency, regarding the process as to how their decisions were arrived at. Thus, reducing the possibility of 'honest mistakes'.

Surely, the SFA could not have an issue with this, as it would help improve decision making in the Scottish game.

If we were able to install a state of the art disco lighting system, to enhance the match day experience, then surely we can afford this, as an aid, to ensure reduction in the number of poor VAR and refereeing decisions in Scottish football. Considering, they particularly seem to affect our club. ?

Just a thought.
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POD that’s far too sensible for our board
 
Bridie Bhoy said:
Exactly, they would all simply declare themselves as Thistle, Morton, Queen's Park, Airdrie or St M fans. I'd prefer them having to declare any allegiances to societies. Although this does not necessarily mean that they support a certain team (I appreciate things are completely different over here in the east/north east with certain societies - my pal is a goat shagger but is also a Celtic fan, who hates bigotry and sectarian societies such as the OO).
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They could lie but I believe they'd get caught out. It's to hard to hide anything these days. Everyone is an online detective.
 
POD said:
Hopefully, Celtic's letter to Willie Collum is the start of the club's meaningful public, and official challenging, of wrong VAR and refereeing decisions. But I will not hold my breath.

A thought on the issue though. While I do not know of the cost of installing a proper VAR system, I wonder, if it is in our greater interest to consider the installation of one, totally independent of that used by the SFA. Purely for Celtic's own use and needs.

Independent non Scottish officials could be brought in for its operation. It could be used by Celtic TV to give a better analysis on contentious decisions.

It could also be used as back up evidence to highlight issues with the controversial SFA version.

The analysis would make the SFA officials wary of public transparency regarding the process, as to how their decisions were arrived at. Thus, reducing the possibility of 'honest mistakes'.

Surely, the SFA could not have an issue with this, as it would help improve decision making in the Scottish game.

If we were able to install a state of the art disco lighting system, to enhance the match day experience, then surely we can afford this, as an aid, to ensure reduction in the number of poor VAR and refereeing decisions in Scottish football. Considering, they particularly seem to affect our club. ?

Just a thought.
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Where did you hear about the letter to Collum pal?…
 
A play on words just to draw you in ……Celtic have been warned?…….Celtic have been told…Celtic need too?………all from pundits media and Evan some Celtic sites why Celtic are sitting at the top of the league on points and goal difference nothing about the lot across the city unless it’s about the bald one and his latest rambling's the Champions League and what Celtic need to do it goes on and on it appears that no matter how successful Celtic are there are people trying to make a name on the back of it
 
If only this was as black and white as many of us seem to think. While we believe sevco get all the assistance they need. Sevco supporters in turn believe with the same unshakeable certainty that the opposite is true; they believe it's us who are granted favour after favour. They believe, against every measure of truth, that THEY are the ones who are being cheated.

But you know what ? The majority of supporters from every other club in Scotland believe BOTH ourselves and sevco get help from the ref if we're struggling.

I'm not being defeatist here, but I believe there are some battles that aren't worth the time and energy it takes to fight them. For even a modicum of success it would take more than ourselves to achieve any kind of satisfaction in pursuit of a genuinely level playing field.

I tend to go along with Big Jock when he said we can only strive to be good enough the take the referee out of the equation.

Nah, just apply ourselves to something we CAN control. Give them a lesson in how to play the beautiful game.

Tiny Wharton, Hugh Phillips, Bobby Davidson......just a wee sample of some of the 'refs' I've had the pleasure of watching..... He who laughs last ?
 
Frank Owen said:
If only this was as black and white as many of us seem to think. While we believe sevco get all the assistance they need. Sevco supporters in turn believe with the same unshakeable certainty that the opposite is true; they believe it's us who are granted favour after favour. They believe, against every measure of truth, that THEY are the ones who are being cheated.

But you know what ? The majority of supporters from every other club in Scotland believe BOTH ourselves and sevco get help from the ref if we're struggling.

I'm not being defeatist here, but I believe there are some battles that aren't worth the time and energy it takes to fight them. For even a modicum of success it would take more than ourselves to achieve any kind of satisfaction in pursuit of a genuinely level playing field.

I tend to go along with Big Jock when he said we can only strive to be good enough the take the referee out of the equation.

Nah, just apply ourselves to something we CAN control. Give them a lesson in how to play the beautiful game.

Tiny Wharton, Hugh Phillips, Bobby Davidson......just a wee sample of some of the 'refs' I've had the pleasure of watching..... He who laughs last ?
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I understand your take on things pal…..but…..”When good men do nothing ………..”
 
BarrowfieldBhoy said:
Explaining? The SFA/LRA don’t explain such things, they just ignore irritating queries.
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I don't disagree with you BB. However, what I think may change things, is a persistent approach from Celtic. If they continue to ignore it, then a straight forward unequivocal public statement from Celtic, saying that the club has no confidence in their governance of referees and VAR. It would shake them up no end. But they know Celtic will not do this. As we have a behind closed doors attitude to dealing with all problems. More's the pity. What the old, now dead Rangers, used to call a 'dignified silence'.
 
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Imatim said:
I understand your take on things pal…..but…..”When good men do nothing ………..”
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Fair comment, Imatim. The best of luck to anybody who has the energy to even attempt to turn the tide of suspicion, animosity, and maybe even hatred....no, make that certainly even hatred, embedded in centuries of Scottish society, and which manifests itself in our daily lives and pursuits, including the beautiful game.
 
Frank Owen said:
If only this was as black and white as many of us seem to think. While we believe sevco get all the assistance they need. Sevco supporters in turn believe with the same unshakeable certainty that the opposite is true; they believe it's us who are granted favour after favour. They believe, against every measure of truth, that THEY are the ones who are being cheated.

But you know what ? The majority of supporters from every other club in Scotland believe BOTH ourselves and sevco get help from the ref if we're struggling.

I'm not being defeatist here, but I believe there are some battles that aren't worth the time and energy it takes to fight them. For even a modicum of success it would take more than ourselves to achieve any kind of satisfaction in pursuit of a genuinely level playing field.

I tend to go along with Big Jock when he said we can only strive to be good enough the take the referee out of the equation.

Nah, just apply ourselves to something we CAN control. Give them a lesson in how to play the beautiful game.

Tiny Wharton, Hugh Phillips, Bobby Davidson......just a wee sample of some of the 'refs' I've had the pleasure of watching..... He who laughs last ?
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Ach they believe they never died Frank. Not the best barometer. 😂

Tbf I agree with you, mostly, the challenge isn’t to prove that they’re cheating. The challenge, to my mind, is to reform Scottish football. It’s a clique and nobody wants to rock the boat, including our club!
 
Frank Owen said:
If only this was as black and white as many of us seem to think. While we believe sevco get all the assistance they need. Sevco supporters in turn believe with the same unshakeable certainty that the opposite is true; they believe it's us who are granted favour after favour. They believe, against every measure of truth, that THEY are the ones who are being cheated.

But you know what ? The majority of supporters from every other club in Scotland believe BOTH ourselves and sevco get help from the ref if we're struggling.

I'm not being defeatist here, but I believe there are some battles that aren't worth the time and energy it takes to fight them. For even a modicum of success it would take more than ourselves to achieve any kind of satisfaction in pursuit of a genuinely level playing field.

I tend to go along with Big Jock when he said we can only strive to be good enough the take the referee out of the equation.

Nah, just apply ourselves to something we CAN control. Give them a lesson in how to play the beautiful game.

Tiny Wharton, Hugh Phillips, Bobby Davidson......just a wee sample of some of the 'refs' I've had the pleasure of watching..... He who laughs last ?
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Got it Frank but I never laughed at them but did throw descriptive words in thier direction when Wheaton was the Ref he laughed at the trips and kicks and waved them away totally disliked Him and Davidson both of the same anti Celtic mold just like the sods we have today
 
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