From the Irish Voice

Imatim

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I thought this remembrance of past historical events in our Clubs history may resonate with some. It did for me. Let the people sing.

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The battle for the club’s soul

Throughout Celtic’s history there have been numerous battles for the soul of the club. The first example of this was in the 1890s, when professionalism, becoming a limited company and re-analysing the prominence of charity all became major topics of debate. In the 1950s the infamous flag controversy saw Bob Kelly take on the SFA in order to preserve the Irish identity of the club. The 1990s saw a fight to avoid liquidation and then the launch of the Bhoys Against Bigotry campaign, which many felt was an attempt to dilute the Irishness of Celtic and deny our political heritage. The latter point even went as far as preventing tickets being given to supporters clubs named after Irish Republican patriots.

Now, the attempts to airbrush our political past and rewrite history have resurfaced in a remarkably hypocritical way. Indeed, the same board which had its players standing behind a ‘together for peace’ political placard against Shaktar Donetsk last season, have claimed that Celtic Football Club has absolutely nothing to do with politics and that political expression is not welcome at Celtic Park. The board also hosted several hundred Ukrainian refugees at matches last season, they opt not to have the poppy printed on the Celtic shirt during remembrance weekend, and play political songs in the stadium.

While Bobby Sands’ ‘Back Home In Derry’ is played in the Kerrydale Suite, the PA system blasts out Bella Ciao, Grace, Let The People Sing, The Fields of Athenry; songs rooted in anti imperial history and struggle.

Politics and football. Politics and Celtic. How dare they mix when the people being killed are Palestinian rather than the NATO backed Ukrainians! How dare they mix when the political topic can’t be commercialised!

The banning of the Green Brigade, unambiguously connected to the recent Palestine flag displays, is the latest example of a battle for the soul of Celtic as our anti colonial political identity is once more under threat.

So what is Celtic’s historic relationship with politics? Here’s the indisputable facts:

Dr John Conway, one of the founding fathers of the club, spoke at St Mary’s Church Hall after Hibernian won the Scottish Cup in 1887. He addressed the audience with the following words:

“Glasgow Irishmen,we can emulate the Hibernians example not only in social but in political matters as well, so that the goal of every Irishman’s ambition – legislative independence of his country – will soon be attained.”

Wanted Fenian (on the run after the 1867 Fenian Uprising), Pat Welsh, became a Celtic founding father and was responsible for the club signing the Maleys.

Convicted Irish Republican (gun running for IRB) and Nationalist / Socialist politician Michael Davitt was named Club Patron by the founding committee and was invited to lay the centre sod of shamrock smothered turf at the opening of Celtic Park. God Save Ireland, a rebel song about a then recent event (execution of the three Manchester Martyrs after an IRB operation resulted in the death of an English policeman), was performed on the pitch at the same ceremony.

Another founding father, William McKillop, was an Irish Parliamentary Party MP for North Sligo and South Armagh, despite being born in Scotland and living in Glasgow.

Michael Davitt fiercely opposed landlordism and Celtic played matches to raise funds for evicted tenants in Ireland, in the early years of the club.

Celtic sent an official delegation to Dublin for the Irish Race Convention of 1896. The event was designed to plot a route towards Irish Home Rule. The Hoops were the only sporting delegation represented and key figures in the club’s history were present.

The club introduced the notion of a boycott to football – a political tactic adopted by Michael Davitt, in Ireland.

Brake club members carried trade union and Irish patriot banners and sung Nationalist songs. Founding father, Dan Molloy, played the fiddle at Celtic gatherings after matches, whilst fellow founder John H McLaughlin would play the piano, and the legendary Neil McCallum (first man to score a goal for Celtic) would sing Irish political songs.

On the international political scene, the issue of the Anglo Boer war caused a fall out among the board. Most directors opposed British involvement in the conflict, but many also supported British soldiers simultaneously.

In WW1, Celtic hosted exhibitions of trench warfare and other military events to support recruitment for the war effort.

In 1968, Celtic refused to play against Ferencvaros in the European Cup due to the soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Bob Kelly said “there are things for Celtic more important than money.”

There are countless other examples.

I am not naive enough to expect directors to act as fans. The PLC not wishing to publicly state a position on Palestine is one thing, that is standard practise in modern business and football. However, banning supporters, especially those who have been involved in the founding of Aida Celtic (team set up in Aida refugee camp in Bethlehem), for doing so is an unnecessary step.

Are we ‘a club open to all’ … except people with a pro-Palestinian position? Will we continue to stand up for the invaded and oppressed, in keeping with our political roots and our own founding story as a club born of famine and oppression? Or are we happy to let the board amend the slogan to ‘no more than a club’.

As long as the core support remains then I believe the Celtic soul is safe, no matter what men in suits would like to achieve. It is important that we keep our political, cultural and charitable identity alive.

For it is the fans who truly make Celtic.
 
I agree with the spirit of this piece. But there are a few things about the slanting that twigs me a little.

Im a big supporter of the Green brigade in Celtic spirit and the support for team that they bring to matchday.

However, they appear to be promoting some things and again this is purely my opinion, promoting some things with a heavy heavy slant, almost an anarchistic, deliberately inflammatory way, almost a who is gonna stop us kind of tone.

Highlighting political skullduggery is one thing. But portraying it in the way they occassionally is either badly thought out or just perhaps blatant hubris with no real care for the damage it can do to the club.

Im all for calling out skullduggery. But the bent they use is almost pathological at times and often just as bad the evil cause they are trying to highlight. And they do it, imo, not so much to support the cause, but again imo, as a get it right fecking up ye kind of tone.

Which imo is using genuine political grievances for an excuse to promote aggression.

Now I may be wrong in my opinion. But thats the vibe I get from them at times. The causes they promote are worthy. The anarchistic, nihilistic bent to use is distasteful at best on occasion and outright over the top in the odd occassion.

remembering past and present atrocities, and political bias is worth standing up for.

Doing it in extreme fashion looking to trigger response is pathological imo.

I am unaware board trying to prevent political expression. But exposing hypocrisy using extreme language and images with an equally biased (albeit different) political opinion isnt really serving any good purpose other than creating even more disharmony.

I am aware that certain propaganda wants to twist things to suit the anarchistic bent and use pathological methods to take secret knowledge gleaned from congecture and often scurrilous defamatory congecture at that and they want to do it in a way that gets what they want. No care in world if it has serious physical ramifications for the parties they want to attack with images and words.

just like israel imo are promoting a nazi style propaganda campaign to blow up children women and sick and starving innocents.

I think some of the rhetoric aimed at board is pathological and if some headbanger decides to act upon the scurrilous congecture they will deny they had that hope in mind.

1 I genuinely dont think board care about expressing genuine political grievances.
2 I do think board have a responsiblity to other clubs when our fans overstep the mark
3 I do think green brigade step over the invisible line of political expression and stray into defamatory aggressive non constructive invective at times and sometimes stray into confrontation of extreme nature and I suspect they think thats their right to be extremist.

I personally have no problem with songs they sing or the political feelings they have. God knows I agree with the sentiments they often feel. But when they drift into congecture and propaganda and not so much to support the cause but in a narcissist come ahead hubris way aimed at imposing on all Celtic fans their extreme views then they become the thing they claim they hate.

Its easy to buy some shares
With some shares you declare you want to raise objections to way board is run. And at AGM you voice your opinion and see how many people also agree with you.

If the conjecture has got legs then you will at least have on record answer to your feelings and if your feelings are held by lot of people you might even succeed in toppling the board.

the msm will have field day sharing your opinions if they are addressing the congecture and "secret we all know- almost masonic in nature this esoteric secret knowledge)" whats really going on.

And if they deny your right to voice your opinions at AGM again you have an actual weapon to replace board in that deriliction of their duty to listen to minority opinion shareholders. And if you find your not a minority opinion shareholder you will topple the board.
 
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I agree with the spirit of this piece. But there are a few things about the slanting that twigs me a little.

Im a big supporter of the Green brigade in Celtic spirit and the support for team that they bring to matchday.

However, they appear to be promoting some things and again this is purely my opinion, promoting some things with a heavy heavy slant, almost an anarchistic, deliberately inflammatory way, almost a who is gonna stop us kind of tone.

Highlighting political skullduggery is one thing. But portraying it in the way they occassionally is either badly thought out or just perhaps blatant hubris with no real care for the damage it can do to the club.

Im all for calling out skullduggery. But the bent they use is almost pathological at times and often just as bad the evil cause they are trying to highlight. And they do it, imo, not so much to support the cause, but again imo, as a get it right fecking up ye kind of tone.

Which imo is using genuine political grievances for an excuse to promote aggression.

Now I may be wrong in my opinion. But thats the vibe I get from them at times. The causes they promote are worthy. The anarchistic, nihilistic bent to use is distasteful at best on occasion and outright over the top in the odd occassion.

remembering past and present atrocities, and political bias is worth standing up for.

Doing it in extreme fashion looking to trigger response is pathological imo.

I am unaware board trying to prevent political expression. But exposing hypocrisy using extreme language and images with an equally biased (albeit different) political opinion isnt really serving any good purpose other than creating even more disharmony.

I am aware that certain propaganda wants to twist things to suit the anarchistic bent and use pathological methods to take secret knowledge gleaned from congecture and often scurrilous defamatory congecture at that and they want to do it in a way that gets what they want. No care in world if it has serious physical ramifications for the parties they want to attack with images and words.

just like israel imo are promoting a nazi style propaganda campaign to blow up children women and sick and starving innocents.

I think some of the rhetoric aimed at board is pathological and if some headbanger decides to act upon the scurrilous congecture they will deny they had that hope in mind.

1 I genuinely dont think board care about expressing genuine political grievances.
2 I do think board have a responsiblity to other clubs when our fans overstep the mark
3 I do think green brigade step over the invisible line of political expression and stray into defamatory aggressive non constructive invective at times and sometimes stray into confrontation of extreme nature and I suspect they think thats their right to be extremist.

I personally have no problem with songs they sing or the political feelings they have. God knows I agree with the sentiments they often feel. But when they drift into congecture and propaganda and not so much to support the cause but in a narcissist come ahead hubris way aimed at imposing on all Celtic fans their extreme views then they become the thing they claim they hate.

Its easy to buy some shares
With some shares you declare you want to raise objections to way board is run. And at AGM you voice your opinion and see how many people also agree with you.

If the conjecture has got legs then you will at least have on record answer to your feelings and if your feelings are held by lot of people you might even succeed in toppling the board.

the msm will have field day sharing your opinions if they are addressing the congecture and "secret we all know- almost masonic in nature this esoteric secret knowledge)" whats really going on.

And if they deny your right to voice your opinions at AGM again you have an actual weapon to replace board in that deriliction of their duty to listen to minority opinion shareholders. And if you find your not a minority opinion shareholder you will topple the board.
Although I don't agree with all of your post I do believe that you have the right to express your opinion and the statements you make. As for Israel and its current behaviour in Gaza I think it is a cause worthy of comment and difficult to find reasonable balance between political affiliation and brand protection. The GB are I think edging towards the younger end of our support so have less experience of life and it's difficulties so perhaps have the hubris of youth. HH
 
Although I don't agree with all of your post I do believe that you have the right to express your opinion and the statements you make. As for Israel and its current behaviour in Gaza I think it is a cause worthy of comment and difficult to find reasonable balance between political affiliation and brand protection. The GB are I think edging towards the younger end of our support so have less experience of life and it's difficulties so perhaps have the hubris of youth. HH

Perhaps you may be right..
 
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