Tony Blair on TV defending his record on human rights, as a socialist, I sadly cannot hang him from the nearest lamppost, so what do we do with this

Benignus

Well-known member
#1
A genocidal maniac educated in one of Scotlands most Expensive Schools, defending his record tonight, he won't appear in the Hague for Crimes against Humanity for war crimes against Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia, so what do we do against a State Sponsored Terrorist. Sorry for being angry but answers on a fucking postcard please.
PS Thanks for the GFA and your fucking veto and your petition of concern in Stormont which has only kicked the can down the road for years you Thatcherite Bastard, rant over
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
#2
A genocidal maniac educated in one of Scotlands most Expensive Schools, defending his record tonight, he won't appear in the Hague for Crimes against Humanity for war crimes against Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia, so what do we do against a State Sponsored Terrorist. Sorry for being angry but answers on a fucking postcard please.
PS Thanks for the GFA and your fucking veto and your petition of concern in Stormont which has only kicked the can down the road for years you Thatcherite Bastard, rant over
great rant B! blair, bush and rumsfeldt,war criminals,what's currently happenin in the middle east is testament to those phux,haul them up now!!!!
 
#3
Just went to see vice about Dick cheney.
Fuckin scary man he's a complete animal.
Highly recommended, this is what Blair jumped into bed with and has no shame a sad indictment of a so called socialist.600,000 Iraqi civilians slaughtered for what? And they have the audacity to call Muslims terrorists. 😡
 

Millsy

Well-known member
#5
Blair, Brown , Darling and all those other red Tories simply continued Thatcherism and paved the way for Cameron and May and Brexit .
All the things they were going to do when they got in to power ... help the poor , help the weak , help the working man , help the Trade Unions ... the only people they really helped were themselves .

The House of ' Lords' is stuffed full with 'socialists ' ( Lord Kinnock ) and ex-communists ( Lord Reid ) and so many good 'Labour' people who fought the good fight to help the poor and the downtrodden - don't laugh at the back !
You couldn't mark their necks with a blowtorch !
 
#6
Blair, Brown , Darling and all those other red Tories simply continued Thatcherism and paved the way for Cameron and May and Brexit .
All the things they were going to do when they got in to power ... help the poor , help the weak , help the working man , help the Trade Unions ... the only people they really helped were themselves .

The House of ' Lords' is stuffed full with 'socialists ' ( Lord Kinnock ) and ex-communists ( Lord Reid ) and so many good 'Labour' people who fought the good fight to help the poor and the downtrodden - don't laugh at the back !
You couldn't mark their necks with a blowtorch !
Bang on mate! Fill yer boots mob and we had that cant Reid on the board the shame of it. Have always said if voting changed anything they would ban it the morra. HH ☘☘
 
M

Maria

Guest
#7
A genocidal maniac educated in one of Scotlands most Expensive Schools, defending his record tonight, he won't appear in the Hague for Crimes against Humanity for war crimes against Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia, so what do we do against a State Sponsored Terrorist. Sorry for being angry but answers on a fucking postcard please.
PS Thanks for the GFA and your fucking veto and your petition of concern in Stormont which has only kicked the can down the road for years you Thatcherite Bastard, rant over
A genocidal maniac educated in one of Scotlands most Expensive Schools, defending his record tonight, he won't appear in the Hague for Crimes against Humanity for war crimes against Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia, so what do we do against a State Sponsored Terrorist. Sorry for being angry but answers on a fucking postcard please.
PS Thanks for the GFA and your fucking veto and your petition of concern in Stormont which has only kicked the can down the road for years you Thatcherite Bastard, rant over
Dont apologise for being angry B, there are some that outright deserve fkn ANGER 😡
 

lcafiero

Well-known member
#8
I don't know why folk refer to Blair as a Socialist.
Seriously. There is a pile of rocks outside my house which is more socialist than Tony F#cking Blair. From our vantage point across the Atlantic, that nimrod turned Labour hard right with his "New Labour" the same way Bill Clinton turned the Democrats in the U.S. hard right with his Democratic Leadership Council in the '90s.

great rant B! blair, bush and rumsfeldt,war criminals,what's currently happenin in the middle east is testament to those phux,haul them up now!!!!
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And now our grand president, Cheeto Benito, wants to continue the mayhem in the Mideast because, well, he's a turd. And many of us are organizing in our areas and, at times, out in the streets protesting to stop it (that is, when some of us aren't watching Celtic).
 

TET

Well-known member
#9
I have always been a poor Glasgow lad with below subsistence (below National poverty line) income. I was brought up as a Catholic in East end of Glasgow Ice cream van culture surrounded by a majority of protestant poor families. The east end notorious of poverty and hard, hard humanity and to a certain extent the discarded part of society, full of Dickensian ignorance and want.

I was taught right and wrong and most of my wee pals were protestant. Poverty knows no religion. I remember the early 1980s with extreme prejudice. I starved 2 or 3 days per week literally and I could only understand that it was Mrs Thatcher who made me and all my wee pals, who were mostly Rangers fans, starve in a country that was at the time 4th Richest country in a world thats rich enough to feed every human being many times over and still have enough wealth for creative capitalistic ventures.

The present state of capitalism, where less than 1 percent of the humanity owns over 50 per cent of the wealth, and more than 20 percent of the planet starve on a perpetual basis is a terrible indictment of tooth and claw militarised elite capitalism.

Capitalism without insurance for the poorest end of the spectrum of humanity.

Now I grew up in the East End believeing in James Connolly type Socialism, the Neil Kinnock promises and the Tony Benn vision. But it was dismissed as Loony left Communism.

And there in is the problem.

The Soviet style Command government if pure slavery, nothing more nothing less and is known by Capitalism as Socialism.

So when you say I am a socialist in UK you usually mean one thing- usually a social being who cares enough about humanity to promote a national security system of dignity for human beings, so that they cannot fall into such deprived states of poverty that they cannot get themselevs out without some kind of criminal behaviour or extreme luck.

But that not what the wealthy see as Socialism, they think Soviet control of their wealth for an elite police state at expense of creativity, trust, and totalitarian wealth for the police controlled elite, is what Socialism actually is.

Now Ive never once met a Socialist with those parameters as their manifesto.

But sadly the record in the world of socialism is not great.

Even when we had socialist UK governments in Glasgow the east end especially was still; always the starvation and crime pit. The labour party did very little to end the poverty traps. The tory government s did even less.

But the UK as a whole have been convinced to vote evil tory wealth manipulation due to the missaplied fear factor of the socialist principles.

The moral hazard that comes with true marxist socialism always leads to death by state for non compliance with authority.

The moral hazard of tory state politics of tooth claw capitalist nature leads to culture of blame the poor for being poor.

And the lack of a coherrent alternative to marxism and tooth and claw (fascist sympathy) politics allows both the extreme ends of government to frighten people into voting for least evil morally.

Not best virtuous party.

The socialist inbetween party needs to redefine the word socialist before moral wealth holders can be convinced to vote for state theft of wealth.

And i grew up in East end of glasgow not being aware of the difference between immoral (atheistic) capitalism, capitalism (faith based) with minimum national insurance and low taxes, mixed economy with healthy national insurance and nationalised essential industry (which i think is what i assumed was socialism through lack of education, Socialism (faith based) where moral duty is placed on institutions to pay tax at expense of wealth growth, And communist Socialism (atheistic) where an elite decide what you are worth to state and you must comply or die.

There are probably even more dimensions to the political spectrum but i see a need for at least 5 categories, maybe more unless you enforce laws that forbid both the extreme versions of atheistic capitalist thought and atheistic communist thought. But Im now a reasonably well read Catholic and understand the nuances of faith system better than i did when i was uneducated east end child. I understand the nuances of the emotions in a label like Capitalism and Socialism to different minds and how propaganda fills people with fear through misunderstanding and lack of trust.

And i see all the problems manifest in Poor mixed faith communities exploited by ruthless minds to destroy open debate and propagate hatred among societies poor by blaming faith systems.

And that subconscious barrier against faith allows the real manipulation of wealth while the atheist systems fill disenfranchised youth with extreme mindsets capable of blowing other human beings up and missing the whole point of their anger.

The poor people without proper insurance starve and get trapped in skid row.

The poor people who subscribe to politics get caught into extremes.

The poor people find it easier to blame other faith systems for poverty than the non faith systems which was the reason non faith systems came into existence and are usually extremely biased in one direction or the other.

And to top it all off any kind of moderate system of scoailsit reform is now paraded by the MSM propaganda system as loony left even when its purely about sensible insurance policies for all society and hence help to grow the economy without people in the 4th richest country in world starving to hatred 2 or 3 days per week.
 
#10
Totally agree with what you have highlighted in your post. The capitalist system always needs a poor down trodden system to survive.its the whole ethos it feeds of and pertutates.it give the illusion of freedom and democracy for all whilst economically subjecting people for there own agenda. Left ,Right has no baring on how these marginalised human beings are treated.it suits the the elected. And don't think for a minute they have your interest at heart! NO chance it's always been a self serving club known as PARLIAMENT.the only person that went in there with true intent was GUIDO FAWKES.
 

lcafiero

Well-known member
#11
Before I make the claim that I'm voting for TET if he runs for MP wherever he lives, I want to first say I agree with everything he has said, I can say my own story somewhat mirrors his, and I understand it completely. I grew up in working class neighborhoods where the dads of my friends were laborers (my father was a newspaper editor, which was a little odd), and everyone belonged to unions, so there was a definite labour-oriented sensibility about my upbringing.

But I don't want to put you to sleep. But I will say that, like TET, I do share an affinity for James Connolly and Tony Benn.

One thing that gives me hope as an American socialist is that the younger people here today are unburdened with the Cold War's domination of the word "socialist." They do not see it in the same way that we saw it when we were their age (incidentally, I am 61). When they define "socialism," they look at programs already in place in Western Europe like the NHS in the U.K., to use only one example, and they start advocating for the same things here.

The youth here, as well as in the U.K., I think are in the drivers seat. A group I am involved in here in the US, the Democratic Socialists of America (the pin in my hat is a DSA pin), is roughly the equivalent of Momentum in the Labour Party and is dominated by young, idealistic people who are ready to change the world. We have even elected a few to Congress, the most popular of which is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who represents a section of New York City, and a few others.

I could talk about this all day, but probably shouldn't since this is a football forum. But suffice to say, you are absolutely right, TET, and I believe we are turning a corner in the fight to make the world a more fair and just place. The kids are in charge now and the struggle continues.
 

TET

Well-known member
#12
Before I make the claim that I'm voting for TET if he runs for MP wherever he lives, I want to first say I agree with everything he has said, I can say my own story somewhat mirrors his, and I understand it completely. I grew up in working class neighborhoods where the dads of my friends were laborers (my father was a newspaper editor, which was a little odd), and everyone belonged to unions, so there was a definite labour-oriented sensibility about my upbringing.

But I don't want to put you to sleep. But I will say that, like TET, I do share an affinity for James Connolly and Tony Benn.

One thing that gives me hope as an American socialist is that the younger people here today are unburdened with the Cold War's domination of the word "socialist." They do not see it in the same way that we saw it when we were their age (incidentally, I am 61). When they define "socialism," they look at programs already in place in Western Europe like the NHS in the U.K., to use only one example, and they start advocating for the same things here.

The youth here, as well as in the U.K., I think are in the drivers seat. A group I am involved in here in the US, the Democratic Socialists of America (the pin in my hat is a DSA pin), is roughly the equivalent of Momentum in the Labour Party and is dominated by young, idealistic people who are ready to change the world. We have even elected a few to Congress, the most popular of which is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who represents a section of New York City, and a few others.

I could talk about this all day, but probably shouldn't since this is a football forum. But suffice to say, you are absolutely right, TET, and I believe we are turning a corner in the fight to make the world a more fair and just place. The kids are in charge now and the struggle continues.
Its the state control of the media or should i say the financial arm of the states control of media in all democracy that is getting more and more soviet style as time goes past.

Until the MSM becomes independent of political bias then its likely to be the finance arm of the world that dictates economic policy. And that usually means polarised right left to create war as often as possible.

Maybe im just cynic these days when itcomes to politics. I too am waiting for a champion of true justice to appear. But even Justice has modern meaning that differs from actual natural law and divine law justice.

Its become a kind of evolutionary justice, except the evolutionists haven't quite realised that they really subscribe to devolutionist propaganda. Where the depraved devolved human mind is now natural. The base instincts have higher justice than any morals in evolutionist propaganda.

The enlightenments idea of enlightenment is the switching off the lights to hide who really runs the show.

hahahaha
 

lcafiero

Well-known member
#13
Maybe im just cynic these days when itcomes to politics. I too am waiting for a champion of true justice to appear. But even Justice has modern meaning that differs from actual natural law and divine law justice.
I stopped waiting a while back. I think we have the power ourselves to champion justice and we have to work toward that aim. It's in our hands.

The enlightenments idea of enlightenment is the switching off the lights to hide who really runs the show.
Very funny. :D
 

michael duffy

Well-known member
#15
i was in the young communist league in the sixties, questioned and photographed by special branch for selling the morning star.
left when russia invaded czeckoslavakia,joined the snp as i dreamed of an independant socialist scotland,based on the principles and the ethos of Celtic football club,that did'nt go down to well,especially at job interviews "whit school did ye go to" my name kinda gave the game away.
many years later,in these brexit days,i fear the worst,the divisions in society,the intolerance,as can be witnessed on anti social media,leads me to realise there are catastrophic times coming,rees mogg,boris,farage and their little englander ilk will be ok,thank you very much,the homeless,the foodbank dependants,the poor in the east end of glasgow (hat tip TET)are the ones who will suffer,we have been betrayed time after time, by so called "men of the people"wilson,foot ,benn ,kinnock,ad nauseum,because the elite don't give a phuq about the "proles"only at election time do they take notice,we're too thick to realise we have 2 purposes,vote for one side cheek of the arse
and fight their wars.
thank phuq i'm a pensioner and won't be around much longer, but god help the young team,they have'nt realised that governments and elites don't give a phuq about them.thank you and goodnight!!!!
 

TET

Well-known member
#17
phuqin depressed noo g'night bhoys and ghirls HH.
Dont be depressed Mate. Hope i eternal unless you despair and thats the devils mission.

Because despair leads to no giving a toss, and no giving toss never helped anybody ever.

It might be a annoying but it should always lead to self worth and virtuous action despite the enormity of the task.

If nothing else it can give purpose instead of throwing in towel. Nil desperundum.

The only thing i've learned positive is the world mess is symptom of inner battle in every individual. When the inner battle is no longer fought the evil in the world gets stronger.

Individual inner warrior and self knowledge and self mastery will win the hearts and minds of fellow souls. Despair will also drag otherwise fighting spirits down to cremation of care.

Interestingly thats the name of the elite ceremony in the Bohemian grove. Cremation of care to a giant owl statue in a (hopefully mock) human sacrifice in the heart of a red wood forrest for depraved escape from running the world.

These are mostly so called secularist leaders who worship a Owl Idol in the middle of forrest in what can best be described as a pagan sacrifice.

The atheists aren't really atheists after all. They have idols of different kind, usually self, or a the great architect in the sky, or the night predator who can see in the dark aka the owl.

Odd world we live in.

The Bildeberger scandals in Holland Justice system over last decade still hasn't really had any MSM attention.

Funny most of these blokes love a good frolic in the US red Wood forests in company of their private members clubs.
 

TET

Well-known member
#18
Dont be depressed Mate. Hope i eternal unless you despair and thats the devils mission.

Because despair leads to no giving a toss, and no giving toss never helped anybody ever.

It might be a annoying but it should always lead to self worth and virtuous action despite the enormity of the task.

If nothing else it can give purpose instead of throwing in towel. Nil desperundum.

The only thing i've learned positive is the world mess is symptom of inner battle in every individual. When the inner battle is no longer fought the evil in the world gets stronger.

Individual inner warrior and self knowledge and self mastery will win the hearts and minds of fellow souls. Despair will also drag otherwise fighting spirits down to cremation of care.

Interestingly thats the name of the elite ceremony in the Bohemian grove. Cremation of care to a giant owl statue in a (hopefully mock) human sacrifice in the heart of a red wood forrest for depraved escape from running the world.

These are mostly so called secularist leaders who worship a Owl Idol in the middle of forrest in what can best be described as a pagan sacrifice.

The atheists aren't really atheists after all. They have idols of different kind, usually self, or a the great architect in the sky, or the night predator who can see in the dark aka the owl.

Odd world we live in.

The Bildeberger scandals in Holland Justice system over last decade still hasn't really had any MSM attention.

Funny most of these blokes love a good frolic in the US red Wood forests in company of their private members clubs.
The more I read about the life of christ from birth to death the more i love the story and the man and the Divinity in him.

Born homeless in the city of the KIng he was descended (David), so poor that his mother wrapped him in rags and placed him in a sheep trough (wrapped in swaddling clothes placed in a manger).

He was full of dignity, charity, truth, light and life. He served the poorest of the poor with real wealth (grace), he taught the uneducated morality, and he stood firm in the face of immorality and wordly flesh subservient power idols.

He died without error and thus became the gate and guide out of the depravity of the worlds errors.

I give glory to God for showing me the truth even when i was blinded by my own selfish mind. And all the glory is his for despite his guiding hand i fall into the same errors as everybody else in this mad world from time to time, maybe even more often than rest of humanity. Yet, despite that, I am confident that he will set me free eventually from my self.

For there is no evil wosre than selfish evil and thats why the only way to life is to die to self.

When i work out how its done ill tell the tale. But i think thats the point. Only grace can release self from self. Self never could do it alone. And thats why self mastery is not enough and grace is more necessary the more you know self.

Because self deception is the skill of the evil one, and he will tell you self can do anything. I did it my way. Which is the highway to hell. Don't listen to the My way. Watch and study the divine way which is truning from self to perfect charity which is the way of divine grace.

Hahahaha.

I bet i have some haters on here now.

Ill be sticking to my way TET.

Its the natural way.

Thats right the order of grace is supernatural

The order of Glory is above the supernatural, the thrid heaven the holy of holies the glorified city of God the place at the end of the way of divine grace.

The natural realm has its visible heavens

The realm of Divine Grace is beyond the sense but very very real, intangible but experiential and consists of both the preternatural (hellish and evil dark dominions) and the supernatural (glorious radiant pure kingdoms) occult.

The realm of divine glory is Beyond all experiential understanding, eternal and unbegotten, the source of all light, the unblemished realm that creates all creation, visible and invisble in time and beyond our dimensional and wisdom, knowledge potential, in short the cloud of unknowing, the great throne of brilliant light. The home we were made to reach in our heart. home of beauty joy and love.

The only way we cant get there is if we reject it for selfish determination or sin.

We were made to love, nothing less.
We were made to stand up for truth and love and grace.
Which requires grace and truth and love which is God.

Hahahahahaha

If you read this far I thank you kindly for listening to my version of christianity. I hope its catholic for I beileve they are the mystical body of christ.

If you wholeheartedly disagree with me or think i'm a fruitcake then don't worry so much I tend to think I might be fruitcake myself at times.

But somehow something of the christ Gospel compels me to share the good news from time to time.

So forgive me if you are bored already.
 
M

Maria

Guest
#19
I have always been a poor Glasgow lad with below subsistence (below National poverty line) income. I was brought up as a Catholic in East end of Glasgow Ice cream van culture surrounded by a majority of protestant poor families. The east end notorious of poverty and hard, hard humanity and to a certain extent the discarded part of society, full of Dickensian ignorance and want.

I was taught right and wrong and most of my wee pals were protestant. Poverty knows no religion. I remember the early 1980s with extreme prejudice. I starved 2 or 3 days per week literally and I could only understand that it was Mrs Thatcher who made me and all my wee pals, who were mostly Rangers fans, starve in a country that was at the time 4th Richest country in a world thats rich enough to feed every human being many times over and still have enough wealth for creative capitalistic ventures.

The present state of capitalism, where less than 1 percent of the humanity owns over 50 per cent of the wealth, and more than 20 percent of the planet starve on a perpetual basis is a terrible indictment of tooth and claw militarised elite capitalism.

Capitalism without insurance for the poorest end of the spectrum of humanity.

Now I grew up in the East End believeing in James Connolly type Socialism, the Neil Kinnock promises and the Tony Benn vision. But it was dismissed as Loony left Communism.

And there in is the problem.

The Soviet style Command government if pure slavery, nothing more nothing less and is known by Capitalism as Socialism.

So when you say I am a socialist in UK you usually mean one thing- usually a social being who cares enough about humanity to promote a national security system of dignity for human beings, so that they cannot fall into such deprived states of poverty that they cannot get themselevs out without some kind of criminal behaviour or extreme luck.

But that not what the wealthy see as Socialism, they think Soviet control of their wealth for an elite police state at expense of creativity, trust, and totalitarian wealth for the police controlled elite, is what Socialism actually is.

Now Ive never once met a Socialist with those parameters as their manifesto.

But sadly the record in the world of socialism is not great.

Even when we had socialist UK governments in Glasgow the east end especially was still; always the starvation and crime pit. The labour party did very little to end the poverty traps. The tory government s did even less.

But the UK as a whole have been convinced to vote evil tory wealth manipulation due to the missaplied fear factor of the socialist principles.

The moral hazard that comes with true marxist socialism always leads to death by state for non compliance with authority.

The moral hazard of tory state politics of tooth claw capitalist nature leads to culture of blame the poor for being poor.

And the lack of a coherrent alternative to marxism and tooth and claw (fascist sympathy) politics allows both the extreme ends of government to frighten people into voting for least evil morally.

Not best virtuous party.

The socialist inbetween party needs to redefine the word socialist before moral wealth holders can be convinced to vote for state theft of wealth.

And i grew up in East end of glasgow not being aware of the difference between immoral (atheistic) capitalism, capitalism (faith based) with minimum national insurance and low taxes, mixed economy with healthy national insurance and nationalised essential industry (which i think is what i assumed was socialism through lack of education, Socialism (faith based) where moral duty is placed on institutions to pay tax at expense of wealth growth, And communist Socialism (atheistic) where an elite decide what you are worth to state and you must comply or die.

There are probably even more dimensions to the political spectrum but i see a need for at least 5 categories, maybe more unless you enforce laws that forbid both the extreme versions of atheistic capitalist thought and atheistic communist thought. But Im now a reasonably well read Catholic and understand the nuances of faith system better than i did when i was uneducated east end child. I understand the nuances of the emotions in a label like Capitalism and Socialism to different minds and how propaganda fills people with fear through misunderstanding and lack of trust.

And i see all the problems manifest in Poor mixed faith communities exploited by ruthless minds to destroy open debate and propagate hatred among societies poor by blaming faith systems.

And that subconscious barrier against faith allows the real manipulation of wealth while the atheist systems fill disenfranchised youth with extreme mindsets capable of blowing other human beings up and missing the whole point of their anger.

The poor people without proper insurance starve and get trapped in skid row.

The poor people who subscribe to politics get caught into extremes.

The poor people find it easier to blame other faith systems for poverty than the non faith systems which was the reason non faith systems came into existence and are usually extremely biased in one direction or the other.

And to top it all off any kind of moderate system of scoailsit reform is now paraded by the MSM propaganda system as loony left even when its purely about sensible insurance policies for all society and hence help to grow the economy without people in the 4th richest country in world starving to hatred 2 or 3 days per week.

That really fkn rips my knittin.

Weans going hungry in this day n age.
 
M

Maria

Guest
#20
The more I read about the life of christ from birth to death the more i love the story and the man and the Divinity in him.

Born homeless in the city of the KIng he was descended (David), so poor that his mother wrapped him in rags and placed him in a sheep trough (wrapped in swaddling clothes placed in a manger).

He was full of dignity, charity, truth, light and life. He served the poorest of the poor with real wealth (grace), he taught the uneducated morality, and he stood firm in the face of immorality and wordly flesh subservient power idols.

He died without error and thus became the gate and guide out of the depravity of the worlds errors.

I give glory to God for showing me the truth even when i was blinded by my own selfish mind. And all the glory is his for despite his guiding hand i fall into the same errors as everybody else in this mad world from time to time, maybe even more often than rest of humanity. Yet, despite that, I am confident that he will set me free eventually from my self.

For there is no evil wosre than selfish evil and thats why the only way to life is to die to self.

When i work out how its done ill tell the tale. But i think thats the point. Only grace can release self from self. Self never could do it alone. And thats why self mastery is not enough and grace is more necessary the more you know self.

Because self deception is the skill of the evil one, and he will tell you self can do anything. I did it my way. Which is the highway to hell. Don't listen to the My way. Watch and study the divine way which is truning from self to perfect charity which is the way of divine grace.

Hahahaha.

I bet i have some haters on here now.

Ill be sticking to my way TET.

Its the natural way.

Thats right the order of grace is supernatural

The order of Glory is above the supernatural, the thrid heaven the holy of holies the glorified city of God the place at the end of the way of divine grace.

The natural realm has its visible heavens

The realm of Divine Grace is beyond the sense but very very real, intangible but experiential and consists of both the preternatural (hellish and evil dark dominions) and the supernatural (glorious radiant pure kingdoms) occult.

The realm of divine glory is Beyond all experiential understanding, eternal and unbegotten, the source of all light, the unblemished realm that creates all creation, visible and invisble in time and beyond our dimensional and wisdom, knowledge potential, in short the cloud of unknowing, the great throne of brilliant light. The home we were made to reach in our heart. home of beauty joy and love.

The only way we cant get there is if we reject it for selfish determination or sin.

We were made to love, nothing less.
We were made to stand up for truth and love and grace.
Which requires grace and truth and love which is God.

Hahahahahaha

If you read this far I thank you kindly for listening to my version of christianity. I hope its catholic for I beileve they are the mystical body of christ.

If you wholeheartedly disagree with me or think i'm a fruitcake then don't worry so much I tend to think I might be fruitcake myself at times.

But somehow something of the christ Gospel compels me to share the good news from time to time.

So forgive me if you are bored already.

Your a good bhoy Tet.

No doubt ever in my mind about that pal.

I respect you.

HH ☘️
 
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