Return of Deila

michael duffy said:
he was supposed to be 2 i/c tae roy keane, he took the job knowing he was'nt first choice he did his best and contributed to going for 10 he will always get a welcome back at "parkheid" (that's another thread!) whether in some official capacity,well that's another matter (ecumenical, even!!)
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As far as i am concerned he got us 2 of the 10. For that alone he is welcome anytime
 
I dont know where i saw it but i watched a video of ronny soeaking about his philosophy of football. It was about 40 minutes long but after 5 minutes he had me hooked. Believe me when i say i am not an easy guy to impress but he managed it with ease. Is he a manger. Absolutely not but as a coach for younger players or a scout in the mould of our business plan. I can say i 100% stand by my opinion that he is the man to help BR. Anyone that says he failed as a manger i think us totally kidding themselves on. Did he get everything right. No. Did he keep us on track to 10iar. Well the stats on that dont lie
 
Donnelly said:
I disagree about the failed part. He won 2 titles. He had the balls to take a bigger job than expected of him or of what he expected of himself. Put this into perspective, I am not advocating he gets to make the team selection merely that he is allowed to identify potential signings. Something that Congerton has failed dismally at so far
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It’s a no for me buddy, I listed a heap of players that he brought to the club who weren’t near good enough, so I don’t see to much potential in him for that role.
 
The Deadner said:
Very harsh analysis of Ronnie. He done what he could and was made a scapegoat of. There's a large hint of football snobbery from your comments, usually only seen from followers of the fake English Premier league!
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Haha There’s a large hint that you’re one of the ‘fans’ who disappeared from the stands and television when the Huns where reincarnated in the bottom league. As surely you would remember how painful it was to watch the way he sent out the team with the same boring formation. Scapegoat you say? He was a manager who took the job and paid well for the job, with a budget far greater than any other Scottish team. Brendan came in and literally over night was able to turn that team around and get them playing excellent winning football. Ronny wasn’t cut out for the job and the team went backwards under him after NL left.
 
AidyBhoy said:
Haha There’s a large hint that you’re one of the ‘fans’ who disappeared from the stands and television when the Huns where reincarnated in the bottom league. As surely you would remember how painful it was to watch the way he sent out the team with the same boring formation. Scapegoat you say? He was a manager who took the job and paid well for the job, with a budget far greater than any other Scottish team. Brendan came in and literally over night was able to turn that team around and get them playing excellent winning football. Ronny wasn’t cut out for the job and the team went backwards under him after NL left.
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I think the stagnation of the team under his management was obvious to him as well as everyone else. Ronnie himself knew that he had went as far as he could with his experience. He will never go down as one of the greats and that's partly due to the brevity of his tenure but we should all be grateful for his part in a possible(probable?) 10 in a row.
 
Donnelly said:
I dont know where i saw it but i watched a video of ronny soeaking about his philosophy of football. It was about 40 minutes long but after 5 minutes he had me hooked. Believe me when i say i am not an easy guy to impress but he managed it with ease. Is he a manger. Absolutely not but as a coach for younger players or a scout in the mould of our business plan. I can say i 100% stand by my opinion that he is the man to help BR. Anyone that says he failed as a manger i think us totally kidding themselves on. Did he get everything right. No. Did he keep us on track to 10iar. Well the stats on that dont lie
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We went backwards under him, BR came in and turned it around in a blink of an eye with nearly the same team. He lost the dressing room that tells you how much the players thought of his philosophy. It was dire football, and the players only started to show there true form when coached under BR as a lot were pish and looked ready for the door before he came in.
 
The Shamrock said:
I think the stagnation of the team under his management was obvious to him as well as everyone else. Ronnie himself knew that he had went as far as he could with his experience. He will never go down as one of the greats and that's partly due to the brevity of his tenure but we should all be grateful for his part in a possible(probable?) 10 in a row.
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I think the team went backwards from where NL left them and Ronny came in. Seemed like a gentleman and thanks for keeping the 10iar dream alive. But he had the perfect opportunity to imbed his philosophy and develope and coach the players, but he just wasn’t good enough. He took the job and wage so I’m not going to feel sorry for him as he was less experienced, Scapegoat, ect. He knew the it was a big job and what control he’d have.
 
AidyBhoy said:
Haha There’s a large hint that you’re one of the ‘fans’ who disappeared from the stands and television when the Huns where reincarnated in the bottom league. As surely you would remember how painful it was to watch the way he sent out the team with the same boring formation. Scapegoat you say? He was a manager who took the job and paid well for the job, with a budget far greater than any other Scottish team. Brendan came in and literally over night was able to turn that team around and get them playing excellent winning football. Ronny wasn’t cut out for the job and the team went backwards under him after NL left.
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Can't agree with much of that. IMO neil left because he knew he wasn't going to be given funds to overhaul an inferior squad. Deila was brought in as a cheap, in my opinion, successful replacement. Did he set the heather on fire. No but then again who would have under the same conditions.

You quoted a lot of flops. Fair enough but how many were signings and how many loans. A mark of the board not the manager.

Brendan came in overnight and got another mans team playing football. This makes my point in 2 ways. 1 deila has an eye for talent. 2 rodgers is an excellent coach. As for the 'fans' quote really. Are you one of those that thinks if you disagree with BR then you are not a real fan.

If thays the case you were quick to name deila flops. Post the amount they cost and i bet they will come close to kouassi and Hendry combined. BR is an excellent manger but he is not the messiah when it comes to signings
 
Donnelly said:
Can't agree with much of that. IMO neil left because he knew he wasn't going to be given funds to overhaul an inferior squad. Deila was brought in as a cheap, in my opinion, successful replacement. Did he set the heather on fire. No but then again who would have under the same conditions.

You quoted a lot of flops. Fair enough but how many were signings and how many loans. A mark of the board not the manager.

Brendan came in overnight and got another mans team playing football. This makes my point in 2 ways. 1 deila has an eye for talent. 2 rodgers is an excellent coach. As for the 'fans' quote really. Are you one of those that thinks if you disagree with BR then you are not a real fan.

If thays the case you were quick to name deila flops. Post the amount they cost and i bet they will come close to kouassi and Hendry combined. BR is an excellent manger but he is not the messiah when it comes to signings
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The difference is BR has the team winning so flops aren’t as prevalent as under Ronny. Ronnies flops far outway his successes in the transfer window. Ronny had less pressure than BR when he came in and should have been able to enforce his philosophies but couldn’t and instead lost the dressing room. IMO Tommy Wright would have done just as good a job as Ronny but I wouldn’t have him anywhere near Celtic as we should be aiming higher.
 
Ronny was a decent person who was maybe not intended to be the manager but got offered the position and had to take it. Why would he turn it down and have a lifetime of 'what if' nagging at him? Ultimately he ended up as a guy trying his hardest but just in the wrong play and he did manage to keep the sequence going so he will be part of the 10 when we get there.
 
_Neil_ said:
Ronny was a decent person who was maybe not intended to be the manager but got offered the position and had to take it. Why would he turn it down and have a lifetime of 'what if' nagging at him? Ultimately he ended up as a guy trying his hardest but just in the wrong play and he did manage to keep the sequence going so he will be part of the 10 when we get there.
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Totally agree he took the job that wasn’t going to come around again possibly in his career. Likeable guy but just didn’t bring the club forward the way he said he would, talked a good game but couldn’t produce the goods unfortunately.
 
AidyBhoy said:
Totally agree he took the job that wasn’t going to come around again possibly in his career. Likeable guy but just didn’t bring the club forward the way he said he would, talked a good game but couldn’t produce the goods unfortunately.
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Talked a great game but just not a big enough name to take on lawell at the time. What would he have done with the finances other managers had
 
AidyBhoy said:
N. Ciftci
S. Allan
L. Bailly
S. Janko
C. Kazim-Richards
T. Blackett
C. Cole
S. Scepovic
A. Tonev
M. Wakaso
G. Mackay-Stevens
J. Berget

Not for me, he had an eye for dross as well. Only players he brought to the club worth a damn was S. Armstrong
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From that list, Wakaso is a good enough player now - though he probably wasn't back then; and both Scott Allan and GMS were worth a punt. Ultimately not good enough to start for Celtic, but both good SPFL players. I feel we should continue to sign players doing very well for the 2nd tier of the league, especially when they are young and thus have potential (so, no more Jonny Hayes please).

But yes, obviously Ronny signed dross as well. There is no manager who doesn't. However I think most of us agree that Brendan and Congerton are not good enough when it comes to transfers. BR more than makes up for it with his management, but he definitely needs a head of recruitment who is up to the task, and there's no shred of evidence LC is that, on the contrary.

This must be the last window he has to prove otherwise. There's money in the bank, there are clear needs to be addressed and that have been apparent for months now. Bring new players in, get the ones who shouldn't be here out, and get us on track not only for the triple treble and 8IAR, but for the summer qualifying rounds.
 
Donnelly said:
I feel like this has morphed into a is deila better than rodgers. No contest. Rodgers every day of the week and twice on a sunday. My opinion remains the same. Deila served us well and has a place in our history. Also a future place in our set up. When foreign coaches respect his skills we should take note
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No, I know what your saying buddy, but just for me there isn’t enough evidence to say that he would be the right man to bring the club up the level we need in recruitment. In the future with more experience and success under his belt maybe but not now. Still getting over the boring, poor football he put us through.
 
AidyBhoy said:
Haha There’s a large hint that you’re one of the ‘fans’ who disappeared from the stands and television when the Huns where reincarnated in the bottom league. As surely you would remember how painful it was to watch the way he sent out the team with the same boring formation. Scapegoat you say? He was a manager who took the job and paid well for the job, with a budget far greater than any other Scottish team. Brendan came in and literally over night was able to turn that team around and get them playing excellent winning football. Ronny wasn’t cut out for the job and the team went backwards under him after NL left.
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What sort of bullshit are you spouting? Why is there a large hint of me being a fan who abandoned the team? Show me where your proof of this is? Another, "I'm a bigger Celtic supporter than you". Spare me the shite talk. Just because I don't agree with you. And yes Ronnie was made a scapegoat of by the penny pinching of lawell and co. Neil Lennon knew the writing was on the wall so he fucked off and left Ronnie with a team that thought they were better than they were. Commons stokes mulgrew, all too big for their boots. The tail was trying to wag the dog. Ronnie inherited that mess, so he did ok.
 
Donnelly said:
Talked a great game but just not a big enough name to take on lawell at the time. What would he have done with the finances other managers had
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Never know, but cast an eye back to when Strachan took the helm. There was barely a 1st team player left and there was big down sizing in the transfer window and GS delevired up sucsseful winning football.
 
Fair points mate but who would you choose. For me Congerton is a non entity. As much as i love BR i dont rate many of his signings. His development i cant fault but when it comes to spending money i am a bit suspect. His judgment may be impaired as he brought congerton in. If you trust an idiot who is the fool
 
The Deadner said:
What sort of bullshit are you spouting? Why is there a large hint of me being a fan who abandoned the team? Show me where your proof of this is? Another, "I'm a bigger Celtic supporter than you". Spare me the shite talk. Just because I don't agree with you. And yes Ronnie was made a scapegoat of by the penny pinching of lawell and co. Neil Lennon knew the writing was on the wall so he fucked off and left Ronnie with a team that thought they were better than they were. Commons stokes mulgrew, all too big for their boots. The tail was trying to wag the dog. Ronnie inherited that mess, so he did ok.
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Couldn't have put the deila part better myself. The bigger supporter im out. I have always had the opinion that there was more to NL leaving than reported. You also dont interview 1 man for the no2 post and then give him the top job if money and power dont come into play.

Commons and stokes were not rated by BR and never featured. Mulgrew was punted. For me more than enough evidence of them playing billy big baws and losing big time. As for the bad signings for Ronnie not much money spent and the ones we did spend money on have either justified the fee or we have made money on them
 
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