boab1916
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What I always do, blog on the noise.When the SNP get voted in again and yet again ask people to vote for a referendum that Westminster has already frequently said they will not give permission for , what do you do?
What I always do, blog on the noise.When the SNP get voted in again and yet again ask people to vote for a referendum that Westminster has already frequently said they will not give permission for , what do you do?
I enjoyed reading about your earlier days Rose, going to South Africa must have been quite an adventure and I worked with a lot of guys who worked on Canary Wharf like Pat.My experience of being a young adult in the late 60’s was quite good my husband Pat had a job as an electrician in Glasgow Corporation. And through that we managed to get a mortgage to buy our first flat for the sum of £1450. But in the early 70’s Pat got made redundant from the shipyards and we emigrated to South Africa. I hated it there because of the Apartheid system and the many injustices of their country. We left just over a year later. When we arrived back in Glasgow we had enough money left to get a deposit for a flat in Dennistoun. Pat managed to get back into Govan shipbuilders. But it was tough under Thatcher government, we had the poll tax and the area wher Pat grew up Garthamlock was in a right state of deprivation. Life wasn’t easy either in the 80’s when our first daughter was born and there was no work here and Pat was forced to go and work in London. He got a job on Canary Wharf he wasn’t employed by the company it was self employed now so no sick pay or holiday pay. At the same time the oil was flowing and the money was going straight into Thatchers coffers. And with that money they built Canary Whatf, M5 ring road, Blachwall tunnel and many other projects I don’t know about as London was booming. So it was both Labour and the Tories who hid from the Scottish people the amount of money they were stealing from us by stamping the McCrone report as top secret. It was a FOI in 1985/6 that they released what had been done. There was a policy during this time of a managed decline in both Glasgow and Liverpool.
im still angry that £13trillion has been taken from Scotland. Now just yesterday there is a report that the U.K. government have granted licenses for drilling up in Shetland. Now what do you think they will use that money for? Brexit fiasco and Covid fiasco maybe.
Labour had their chance to help Scotland and failed us. Tories hate working poor and will always want to keep us begging for scraps.
I will be voting SNP for independence not obviously for me at my age but for my Grandchildren to hope they will have the opportunity to live in a country where they will get the government they vote for in an independent Scotland. And by that time I hope new parties will have come into play and not based on ‘right or left’ but progressive parties there for the citizens of the country like Norway for example.
as for those not voting that is your choice but remember working people had to fight tooth and nail to get the vote.
Supposedly productivity goes up, so the same amount of work gets done. I thought it was bullshit but some office based company tried it, their employees were happier and as a consequence they worked bettetAye, as long as you work the same hours in 4 days as you would in 5. I do it now. You don't get something for nothing. The sums don't add up.
I agree entirely about not using your vote. It was only the landed gentry that were allowed to vote and it has taken eons for the working classes to get to a point where their voice is heard. For us wimmin it's even more important we use our vote after the struggle the Suffragettes went through.My experience of being a young adult in the late 60’s was quite good my husband Pat had a job as an electrician in Glasgow Corporation. And through that we managed to get a mortgage to buy our first flat for the sum of £1450. But in the early 70’s Pat got made redundant from the shipyards and we emigrated to South Africa. I hated it there because of the Apartheid system and the many injustices of their country. We left just over a year later. When we arrived back in Glasgow we had enough money left to get a deposit for a flat in Dennistoun. Pat managed to get back into Govan shipbuilders. But it was tough under Thatcher government, we had the poll tax and the area wher Pat grew up Garthamlock was in a right state of deprivation. Life wasn’t easy either in the 80’s when our first daughter was born and there was no work here and Pat was forced to go and work in London. He got a job on Canary Wharf he wasn’t employed by the company it was self employed now so no sick pay or holiday pay. At the same time the oil was flowing and the money was going straight into Thatchers coffers. And with that money they built Canary Whatf, M5 ring road, Blachwall tunnel and many other projects I don’t know about as London was booming. So it was both Labour and the Tories who hid from the Scottish people the amount of money they were stealing from us by stamping the McCrone report as top secret. It was a FOI in 1985/6 that they released what had been done. There was a policy during this time of a managed decline in both Glasgow and Liverpool.
im still angry that £13trillion has been taken from Scotland. Now just yesterday there is a report that the U.K. government have granted licenses for drilling up in Shetland. Now what do you think they will use that money for? Brexit fiasco and Covid fiasco maybe.
Labour had their chance to help Scotland and failed us. Tories hate working poor and will always want to keep us begging for scraps.
I will be voting SNP for independence not obviously for me at my age but for my Grandchildren to hope they will have the opportunity to live in a country where they will get the government they vote for in an independent Scotland. And by that time I hope new parties will have come into play and not based on ‘right or left’ but progressive parties there for the citizens of the country like Norway for example.
as for those not voting that is your choice but remember working people had to fight tooth and nail to get the vote.
So if I look at all the names on a ballot having listened to their bullshit and false promises, knowing full well none of them give a fuck about me, I have a duty to endorse one of them with my backing?I agree entirely about not using your vote. It was only the landed gentry that were allowed to vote and it has taken eons for the working classes to get to a point where their voice is heard. For us wimmin it's even more important we use our vote after the struggle the Suffragettes went through.
I don't trust any politicians either but I can vote for an ideology that best suits my own beliefs. I wouldn't feel right moaning about the government if I hadn't taken steps to change things. If nobody bothered voting we would end up under military rule and that's why voting is mandatory in some countries.So if I look at all the names on a ballot having listened to their bullshit and false promises, knowing full well none of them give a fuck about me, I have a duty to endorse one of them with my backing?
No thanks, the right not to support any of them is every bit as relevant as supporting their nonsense in my opinion.
This from the christian science monitor will posy a link at the end but if you don't want to click heres a cut n pasteI enjoyed reading about your earlier days Rose, going to South Africa must have been quite an adventure and I worked with a lot of guys who worked on Canary Wharf like Pat.
And I can understand you're desire for independence, even if I don't agree with it, but please don't base your argument on the points you raised, the Blackwall Tunnel was build in the 19th century and extended in the 70s, the M5 isn't a ring road it goes from Birmingham to Exeter and was opened in the 60s and Canary Wharf was built because of the financial boom in London created by the evil Thatcher starting the free market economy.
None of these things were built because of North Sea Oil. At its peak in the 80s North Sea Oil generated about 6% of gdp, generally its been around 2-3% gdp and I think its currently 0.6% gdp so compared to the London financial market which is the second biggest in the world North Sea Oil is really rather small and certainly didn't build a victorian tunnel.no the tunnels were built by the irish who have worked on 70% of all tunnels built throughout london
Fuck so north sea oil did build the Blackwall Tunnel in 1890! Amazing....This from the christian science monitor will posy a link at the end but if you don't want to click heres a cut n paste
How North Sea oil helped Margaret Thatcher
While Margaret Thatcher was reforming Britain's economy, new oil discoveries in the North Sea were turning the nation into an energy powerhouse. The surge in resources and employment softened the oil-price shocks of the late 1970s and helped Prime Minister Thatcher pull the country out of economic stagnation.
Many people know that former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who passed away Monday, jump-started a flailing British economy and reshaped it into a more market-driven system. What's far less known is the role that oil played in that turnaround.
When Mrs. Thatcher came to power in 1979, recent offshore discoveries in the North Sea were turning Britain into an energy powerhouse. The surge in oil revenues and her lassez-faire economics provided a mix of resources and policy that softened the oil-price shocks of the 1970s and pulled the country out of economic stagnation.
"North Sea oil rescued Britain from the repeated balance of payments crises of the past and provided a crutch for the public finances at a vital time," writes Jeremy Warner in The Daily Telegraph, "but it also set the stage for a peculiarly unbalanced form of economic growth that dogs the country to this day."
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In 1975, Britain was in such dire straits that Henry Kissinger, then US secretary of state, quipped, “Britain is a tragedy – It has sunk to borrowing, begging, stealing until North Sea oil comes in.”
The comment was not lost on Ms. Thatcher, and Britain's first female prime minister made efforts to open up the North Sea to oil production.
"Prior to 1980s the state was heavily involved in oil and gas upstream," said Lejla Alic, an economist at the US Energy Information Administration. "When she came into office they started a large-scale privatization not just in oil, but in the large-scale economy."
Timing played a role as well. The 1970s and 1980s saw significant oil discoveries in the North Sea. The mix of policy and geology paid off. By 1981, Britain was a net-exporter of oil. By the mid-1980s, oil and gas extraction was responsible for 6 percent of Britain's economic output.
The surge in oil production had drawbacks, too. It sent the value of the British pound soaring on exchange rates around the world. That made it difficult for the manufacturing sector to compete and hundreds of thousands were left unemployed.
Thatcher went on to remake much of the British economy, fight a war in the Falklands, and hand over Hong Kong to China, before resigning in 1990.
North Sea reserves peaked soon afterward. The discovery of new oil did not keep pace with the maturation of existing fields. By 2005, the United Kingdom was once again a net importer of oil and reserves had fallen from 4.2 billion barrels of oil in 1991 to 2.8 billion barrels in 2011, according to the 2012 BP Statistical Review of World Energy.
That spectacular temporary surge of North Sea oil didn't make Thatcher, but it certainly helped buoy employment as she pushed through her huge and sometimes radical reforms.
How North Sea oil helped Margaret Thatcher
While Margaret Thatcher was reforming Britain's economy, new oil discoveries in the North Sea were turning the nation into an energy powerhouse. The surge in resources and employment softened the oil-price shocks of the late 1970s and helped Prime Minister Thatcher pull the country out of...www.csmonitor.com
No oil no money ,no borrowing ,no expansion
backwith the sarcasmFuck so north sea oil did build the Blackwall Tunnel in 1890! Amazing....
If nobody voted maybe they'd get their act together and stop lying just to get votes, cos that's where we are. They all lie their tits off to get votes, some people buy it some don't. I don't and I won't back them.I don't trust any politicians either but I can vote for an ideology that best suits my own beliefs. I wouldn't feel right moaning about the government if I hadn't taken steps to change things. If nobody bothered voting we would end up under military rule and that's why voting is mandatory in some countries.
OK North Sea Oil built the M5 in 1962? Can we agree that that's nonsense?backwith the sarcasm
never said it didOK North Sea Oil built the M5 in 1962? Can we agree that that's nonsense?
Hoopy, Pat did work on Canary Wharf and he was thinking of working on the black wall tunnel I don’t know exactly what they were doing at the time with it but there was work going on there this was mid 80’s. I was only trying to point out the investment from our North Sea oil didn’t make life any easier for us as Pat had to leave his home and family to go and get work in London which was booming at that time. There was Norman Tebit telling everyone to get on their bikes to go and get work and as Scotland’s heavy industry had been decimated so that’s what we had to do.I enjoyed reading about your earlier days Rose, going to South Africa must have been quite an adventure and I worked with a lot of guys who worked on Canary Wharf like Pat.
And I can understand you're desire for independence, even if I don't agree with it, but please don't base your argument on the points you raised, the Blackwall Tunnel was build in the 19th century and extended in the 70s, the M5 isn't a ring road it goes from Birmingham to Exeter and was opened in the 60s and Canary Wharf was built because of the financial boom in London created by the evil Thatcher starting the free market economy.
None of these things were built because of North Sea Oil. At its peak in the 80s North Sea Oil generated about 6% of gdp, generally its been around 2-3% gdp and I think its currently 0.6% gdp so compared to the London financial market which is the second biggest in the world North Sea Oil is really rather small and certainly didn't build a victorian tunnel. I just
Shamrock, I feel really strongly about utilising our vote and agree with you about the wimmin and how some lost their lives in the suffrage movement. I just recently managed to get my daughter to register to vote and my granddaughter too but I think they fell asleep when I tried to explain about the history of the vote for wimmin. LolI agree entirely about not using your vote. It was only the landed gentry that were allowed to vote and it has taken eons for the working classes to get to a point where their voice is heard. For us wimmin it's even more important we use our vote after the struggle the Suffragettes went through.
They also want us to walk or cycle everywhere, all their policies are not practical, if they ever get in government, watch the prices of bike and horses go through the roof, as you’ll not be able to afford to put petrol in your carThe greens want independence too
As it happens Glasbhoy81, we are looking at other forms of renewable energy. What we've got to remember is the fact that this type of energy sourcing is very much in its infancy; it can only get better. As long as there's money to be made from fossil fuels they will continue to be used. If life has taught me anything it's that short-termism and vested interest usually wins the day. That applies to ALL major political parties.It just makes sense, Scotland is windy as fuck and we have the technology. We also should be looking at tidal energy, tidal turbines are 80% efficient, which is more then wind turbines.
I just don't think now during a global pandemic and just after Brexit is the time to be holding a 2nd referendum. I think if they did hold the vote to early we could miss out on independence again
If nobody voted maybe they'd get their act together and stop lying just to get votes, cos that's where we are. They all lie their tits off to get votes, some people buy it some don't. I don't and I won't back them.
Or to put it another way, if Westminster once again ignore the Scottish people do we just stand back and accept it ? Only my opinion, but the current talk from the tories is nothing more than playing politics. if Scotland votes for a second referendum it will happen. To deny the Scottish people their wish,is to deny democracy. That's a risk I'm sure even they would step back from.When the SNP get voted in again and yet again ask people to vote for a referendum that Westminster has already frequently said they will not give permission for , what do you do?