VAR watch.

What about the cost of importing 'foreign' officials? I assume you mean English, Welsh, Irish, European even. As well as their wage we would have to pay expenses that would double triple, the cost.
Is that just for SPFL games?
So the scenario you are pitching is Scottish. Referees get to Ref lower league games but the real money is unavailable to them at the top level.
Is that realistic for anyone thinking of starting a career in Refereeing for the future?
When you look at the calibre of so called 'top' Scottish officials, for a long time now, I would pretty much take a donkey trained elsewhere, than one that came through the Scottish system. They do not deserve top money, simply because they are not good enough. For new entrants to refereeing as a career, get the selection and training correct, up to a professional standard that we all can trust, and then see. But until that, for me, the answer is no. The cost of importing referees for the top leagues is well worth it to me, if it it guarantees fairness and impartially and cleans up one of the major issues in the game. Lower leagues do not have the so called 'top' referees allocated to them anyway. Just my opinion, but I feel they would be less inclined to strike long term on behalf their better paid colleagues. Why should they? There is no major gain for the vast majority of them.
 
Our fans have to stop insisting on foreign referees. This will NEVER happen as it would be an admission from the authorities that their total negligence/corruption/ineptitude meant that they were not fit to run the sport.

Now many of us would probably agree that this is a very accurate assessment of the dire situation our national sport finds itself in, but they cannot/will not openly admit this as it opens themselves up to legislation and - more importantly to the individuals - would mean they would be chucked off the lucrative gravy train they will enjoy until they see fit to retire.

Besides, have you seen how hopeless many foreign refs are? OK, they may not have grown up supporting a particular club or been promoted based on their proximity to Lanarkshire or their handshake, but they are often crap!

As this will never be an option then we should not waste so much time demanding it but instead spend our energies on other solutions that improves the sport as a whole at all levels.
 
When you look at the calibre of so called 'top' Scottish officials, for a long time now, I would pretty much take a donkey trained elsewhere, than one that came through the Scottish system. They do not deserve top money, simply because they are not good enough. For new entrants to refereeing as a career, get the selection and training correct, up to a professional standard that we all can trust, and then see. But until that, for me, the answer is no. The cost of importing referees for the top leagues is well worth it to me, if it it guarantees fairness and impartially and cleans up one of the major issues in the game. Lower leagues do not have the so called 'top' referees allocated to them anyway. Just my opinion, but I feel they would be less inclined to strike long term on behalf their better paid colleagues. Why should they? There is no major gain for the vast majority of them.
If you can only get halfway up the ladder, why bother getting on the bottom rung.
It's like saying the lower leagues and non leagues are a fucking waste of time, they are the grass roots where your future superstars are made, and they need referees too, ffs.
 
Pod, just become a referee an see if you please everyone with your fairness.
My old man was a ref, I went to watch him doing a cup final for the Glasgow Bus league at Helenvale, as he came off the pitch at half time this tube approached him and accused him of deliberately favouring the other side,,, my da's response was "ffs son its hard enough to get the decisions right without getting them deliberately wrong now geese peace" .

Still hasn't stopped me shouting abuse at them from time to time mind you 🤣 🤣.
 
Our fans have to stop insisting on foreign referees. This will NEVER happen as it would be an admission from the authorities that their total negligence/corruption/ineptitude meant that they were not fit to run the sport.

Now many of us would probably agree that this is a very accurate assessment of the dire situation our national sport finds itself in, but they cannot/will not openly admit this as it opens themselves up to legislation and - more importantly to the individuals - would mean they would be chucked off the lucrative gravy train they will enjoy until they see fit to retire.

Besides, have you seen how hopeless many foreign refs are? OK, they may not have grown up supporting a particular club or been promoted based on their proximity to Lanarkshire or their handshake, but they are often crap!

As this will never be an option then we should not waste so much time demanding it but instead spend our energies on other solutions that improves the sport as a whole at all levels.
Not sure what you mean by other solutions BB. If the SFA and the LRA is still running the show then I cannot see any improvement. The implimentation of VAR and how it has been run, clearly shows this. Should other major changes be proposed, it also shows up their negligence/corruption/ ineptitude and points they were not fit to run the sport in the first place. Therefore I would expect these to be resisted or diluted as well. That's why I would prefer a battle on officials now. Even if it were lost, the spotlight and adverse publicity would make them wary and temper their exceses going forward. And this in turn makes it more difficult for them to resist modernisation and change when proposed. I have no more answers than anybody else. 👍
 
If you can only get halfway up the ladder, why bother getting on the bottom rung.
It's like saying the lower leagues and non leagues are a fucking waste of time, they are the grass roots where your future superstars are made, and they need referees too, ffs.
I don't believe all of them want to make the top rungs of the ladder. No different to education or business. Not all educators want to be Head Teachers. Not all employees want to be CEO. Thanks, for the "fairness"comment, Brim. I think it is good for supporters to have this debate. From all the different viewpoints may come something positive.👍
 
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I don't believe all of them want to make the top rungs of the ladder. No different to education or business. Not all educators want to be Head Teachers. Not all employees want to be CEO. Thanks, for the "fairness"comment, Brim. I think it is good for supporters to have this debate. From all the different viewpoints may come something positive.👍
Nothing personal intended Pod. All I'm trying to say is its a bigger problem than we think, and ALL teams blame the refs, not just us.
 
Not sure what you mean by other solutions BB. If the SFA and the LRA is still running the show then I cannot see any improvement. The implimentation of VAR and how it has been run, clearly shows this. Should other major changes be proposed, it also shows up their negligence/corruption/ ineptitude and points they were not fit to run the sport in the first place. Therefore I would expect these to be resisted or diluted as well. That's why I would prefer a battle on officials now. Even if it were lost, the spotlight and adverse publicity would make them wary and temper their exceses going forward. And this in turn makes it more difficult for them to resist modernisation and change when proposed. I have no more answers than anybody else. 👍
The other solutions include to break the stranglehold the Lanarkshire Referees Association have on Scottish football. A couple of years back I read that of the 14 regional associations in Scotland (ridiculous number of blazers running/ruining the game), 60% of top flight refs came from the LRA! They have set up a conveyor belt of promoting their friends, colleagues and yes, brethern, into positions of power (look at Dallas senior and how we are still suffering from the promotions he made 15+ years ago).

But to break this without having a go forward plan will cause carnage as the LRA have managed to get themselves into a position where they wield too much power over the sport.

It will require a proper long term strategy and must include buy in from the referees that we are actually trying to improve their jobs. I appreciate that many appear to be incompetent or even corrupt (*Walsh* * Dallas* * Collum*), but the reality is we are probably stuck with them for a wee while yet. To bring in foreign refs would admit that our refs are shite and this will never happen for the reasons I stated before. Plus it kills off the ambitions of lower level refs so they could give up too, crippling grass roots fitba.

Personally I would streamline the sport in Scotland having one overall body overseeing all aspects from juvenile, grass roots through to the leagues and top flight football. Plus referees. Like any well run business you'd employ specialists to run the various departments reporting through to the CEO. Of course, this is too sensible an approach as there are too many snouts in the trough leaching much needed money out of our sport.

I don't have the solutions, as that is not my area of expertise, but I know enough about business management to know that our current inefficient operating structure is failing and the referee selection process needs overhauled and improved, and the sooner the better as it will take years to see the results of this process.
 
What about the cost of importing 'foreign' officials? I assume you mean English, Welsh, Irish, European even. As well as their wage we would have to pay expenses that would double triple, the cost.
Is that just for SPFL games?
So the scenario you are pitching is Scottish. Referees get to Ref lower league games but the real money is unavailable to them at the top level.
Is that realistic for anyone thinking of starting a career in Refereeing for the future?

There is currently no appropriate oversight, transparency or accountability applied to these referees…..they get away with what they do because they know they can. Some say they are institutionally biased. The evidence would suggest this is indeed both currently and historically correct.

We need a new structure put in place whereby referees are chosen and promoted on merit and are held accountable for their performances…
 
There is currently no appropriate oversight, transparency or accountability applied to these referees…..they get away with what they do because they know they can. Some say they are institutionally biased. The evidence would suggest this is indeed both currently and historically correct.

We need a new structure put in place whereby referees are chosen and promoted on merit and are held accountable for their performances…
It's already in place ma man. It's called UEFA and FIFA. But when corruption is at the top, its a free market for those below.
 
All fans of all clubs believe Scottish refs are dreadful because, well they are.
It's a part-time job for them, that earns them a bit of spare cash for a few hours work. No matter how shit they are, the same guys get the same gigs week in, week out.
We can talk about refs progressing in the Scottish game all we want, but we all know what and who they need to be to get to the top. Call me a conspiracy theorist all you want, but there's a reason sevco haven't conceded a penalty in 50 league games. There's a reason the lodges are littered with ex officials sharing their stories after dinner. There's a reason that current refs can work for sevco or drink in sevco pubs after derby matches without punishment or questions. Unless the whole set up is gutted out and rebuilt, nothing is going to change.
It suits the SPFL that our refs are part time. It is the perfect excuse to hide the corruption and biased behind. Full time refs wouldn't be able to get away with what our current bunch of DOBs get away with.
 
Try this wan. Referees learn a trade, they get taught the rules as part of that trade, now if who you work for prefers to use certain tradesmen/women then no matter how good you are at your trade you will be overlooked always. Now if a new company takes over your employer there is a chance that you can like dallas jnr climb the ladder 🪜 and show your ability. There is no way that will happen as the employer will always have they're selected few who they can depend on. My view is The teams who pay for var should actually say no now until qualified var controllers (not Referees) are assigned to applying the rules via TV & radio where paying customers see and hear to improve the experience they pay they're club for. There are millions of people who can spot a rule being broken as football is what most in Scotland know.
 
Sky have now apologised to the SFA.
Referees do what they please. No questions asked. They have cheated Celtic and every other club in Scotland for the benefit of one club.
No one will call it out. Not even Celtic. Every single person involved in the production of Scottish football, from the clubs involved to the media have now absolutely shat it. Any hope of the game in Scotland being cleaned up have now gone out the window......and the LRA and the SFA now know they are completely untouchable.....right in time for the Glasgow derby. Great.
 
Andy's P45 is in the mail
Sky, what a bunch of fucking soup taking cowards, not to have their pundits back
No matter what anyone thinks of AW, he was right to call the bastards out
Scotland, still a backwater when it comes to 'the staunch' and their cronies
Money means more than integrity
It'll be more of the "We cannot guarantee anyone's safety" bullshit
FTSFA
 
What it boils down to is simple, integrity and a level playing field is off the table in sport when Celtic are in the mix.

Scotland the only country to have produced a team capable of doing a quadruple, including an invincible clean sweep, and the first club within the UK to have captured the European Cup and brought it to British shores.
You would think the SFA would be proud to boast these occasions and remind their counterparts of how strong Scottish football is.
Throw in Aberdeen and Dundee utd to the mix in their heyday and you see how strong a position the SFA were in. They choose to nail their colours and allow bowling green square men to represent them and now reap the downfall.

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Andy's P45 is in the mail
Sky, what a bunch of fucking soup taking cowards, not to have their pundits back
No matter what anyone thinks of AW, he was right to call the bastards out
Scotland, still a backwater when it comes to 'the staunch' and their cronies
Money means more than integrity
It'll be more of the "We cannot guarantee anyone's safety" bullshit
FTSFA
As a said in a post yesterday dilligaf if your gonny exposé corruption you need to be all in!!that half cocked statement about can’t name names or what club was involved
done himself no favours or scottish football,instead of looking at the so called corruption,these cunts are doing the gypsy switch,they’ve got sky apologising??
 
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