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Eastend Bhoy
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but am over it now ?
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TartanTim
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FFs, who gives a flying fvck about BR he's left Celtic, him & his ego believe he's moved to a bigger club. He's neverseen a contract out in his last 3 jobs, left Swansea for liverpool after signing new contract at Swansea, got sacked by Liverpool, seen Celtic as a stepping stone to bigger job, Leicester came calling he couldn't get out of Scotland & Celtic quick enough.
We're making out as if he's some super manager thats never been seen before in Scotland, he wasn't. He had little or no opposition in the last 2 yrs because the other 11 teams in the lge are unable to cope with Celtic finacially, they're just keech or both. Now lets forget about the greedy Judas cvnt, FFS!
We're making out as if he's some super manager thats never been seen before in Scotland, he wasn't. He had little or no opposition in the last 2 yrs because the other 11 teams in the lge are unable to cope with Celtic finacially, they're just keech or both. Now lets forget about the greedy Judas cvnt, FFS!
YYU
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Strong winds and very muggyHe’s got no metal. Yyu. HH pal. Howz OZ?
Theverdict1
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It’s what the board do from now on that worries me. Rogers is gone, we need to get over that. He was always going to leave, him going to where he went told a story. We can’t ignore that, but as I said, it’s what they do now that has me worried.
Is it at all possible that the Board swallowed the Celtic through and through line?
Lawwell has delivered a business model that has brought us to here in a difficult environment maybe he should be given some credit, with maybe a salary reduction ? He at least turned down Arsenal.
The next decision re our new manager is key, the 10 is on the line. For me we need a Rodgers standard appointment who doesn't need to kiss the badge, just succeed!
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Lawwell has delivered a business model that has brought us to here in a difficult environment maybe he should be given some credit, with maybe a salary reduction ? He at least turned down Arsenal.
The next decision re our new manager is key, the 10 is on the line. For me we need a Rodgers standard appointment who doesn't need to kiss the badge, just succeed!
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TET
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I think Lennon is our best option. I dont think any other manager could handle the Vitriolic abuse that will come as we get closer and closer to 10. I didnt think he would have come back after all the abuse he gets even while at Hibs. But I think no mater who gets the job they will be faced with MSM attacks and even worse the closer it gets to 10, assuming we get 8 and 9, of course.
Im confident that Neil is skilled enough and expereinced enough and thus the best man we can have for this particular part of the mission.
There are lots of good managers, but I dont know any who have had to deal with the level of hatred and pressure Lennon has had, and it hasnt broke him, only seems stronger and stronger.
Killie manager looked like it really affected him being flasely accussed of all kinds of kack. I imagine that pressure would crack most managers whop dont get the MSM agenda or the Klan mindset in Scotland.
The more I think of it. I really think Lennon is the best candidate as extreme war time manager at Celtic. Had my doubts he would have fancied it.But now he up for it. Im right behind him.
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kelly
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he did and he is
manhattan tim
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We have the potential now to spin cash like never before but petty footballing decisions like not acquiring a good back last year cost us L50mm at least. Its time to let Lawwell do what he does best. Manage the non football aspects and get in a Director of Football in charge of all football operations.
While its nice to hear that Lawwell bleeds Celtic, we need a footballing man with a long term view as opposed to a manager who is worried about how his squad looks like this month with the ultimate control over who we sign and when.
And we need to believe that we can earn L40mm plus every year qualifying for the groups and tailor our business decisions accordingly, selling players but replacing them first and not hesitating to do that before one minute after they depart.
While its nice to hear that Lawwell bleeds Celtic, we need a footballing man with a long term view as opposed to a manager who is worried about how his squad looks like this month with the ultimate control over who we sign and when.
And we need to believe that we can earn L40mm plus every year qualifying for the groups and tailor our business decisions accordingly, selling players but replacing them first and not hesitating to do that before one minute after they depart.
BenLynch29
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Amen to that last statement. There was no exit plan for either Dembele nor Boyata. So we started the season short a striker, and we turned down £9m for another player we could have and should have replaced last summer — after the World Cup there was zero doubt an offer was going to come in for Boyata, and we should have brought in a replacement on the assumption that he’d be gone by the end of Aug.
As for Dembele, I’m curious what other offers would have come in last summer had someone at the club let it be known that he would be sold that summer. My guess is we would have had offers earlier than the last day, and at least one of them would have exceeded £20m given the number and stature of clubs who were scouting him (basically every club in the top 5 leagues had scouted him). A brace against Pep Guardiola’s Man City, scored against PSG, scored against Borussia Mondegladbach, earned a penalty at Camp Nou, ran riot over Rangers scoring 7 goals across 2 seasons - the closest thing Celtic faces domestically that would be Europa League type quality. And all that while he was 21 years old or younger. Should have, and probably could have, gotten £30m+ for him had it been handled better.
I do hope and expect that maximizing transfer market value will be part of the remit of the DoF and that when players are worth that kind of money (and wages that we can’t afford) that we plan accordingly and move the player while simultaneously bringing in a replacement for a fraction of the proceeds. (*cough* Ajax, Valencia, soon Salzburg)
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kelly
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There was no exit plan for Demble or Boyata
We had no plans to sell either of them Demble knew Rodgers want him away he wasn't going to go to Brighton nor should he
Lyon valued Demble at £20m it was the club he wanted to go to your valuation of £30m is way off
Nobody knows for sure what went on in the background or what game BR was playing with both Demble or Boyata,but if you think you can plan to bring in a top striker before you sell your own top striker then good luck with that plan
what happens when your top striker then says fkit i'm staying
Boyata's contract is still on the table , yet again nobody knows what went on in the background . or what promises were made
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kelly
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who the fk would put FB as part of their name
all the rest is just noise
BenLynch29
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Dembele wanted to go to Lyon because that was the only offer for him that summer. And once his relationship broke down with BR, it was an attractive offer. But if Arsenal has come in, or Liverpool, or Spurs, or one of the Spanish or Bundesliga clubs... who knows what would have happened. Maybe he still goes to Lyon but has to take a smaller wage package so that Lyon could bump up the transfer fee. The point is that it wasn’t a competitive bidding process because of the way BR, PL, and the board handled it.
And yes, there absolutely is a way to get a player in the door before others leave. Look, we didn’t need to replace his production with comparable quality necessarily (and arguably we did that with Eddie anyway). With Dembele we needed to bring in a 3rd striker so we had a full contingent available. Bringing someone in as a development type player like Bayo is perfectly fine and can be done before or after the sale of another player. And as far as the incoming player is concerned, there’s little risk here anyway — if the guy supposedly in front of you doesn’t leave, then go out on loan for 6 months or a year like Benkovic did right after signing at Leicester.
As a good comparison for how this should be done, go back and look at how Spurs handled the departure of Bale to Real Madrid or how Liverpool handled the sale of Suarez to Barcelona. In both cases, the club has their valuation and let it be known that if it was met they would sell. Once it became clear that a mega club was coming in for the player and understood the asking price and negotiating history of the selling club, the selling club then had confidence that their asking price would be met. In both cases that allowed the clubs to go on a shopping spree buying multiple players before officially selling Bale and Suarez respectively. Valencia and Ajax have also successfully done this. If we’re going to maximize our value in the transfer market, we need to have an exit strategy for each of our players. And that doesn’t mean we’re necessarily looking to sell them, but we should have contingency plans for how to go about it as well as predefined criteria in place for when to go about selling players (hint: not at the first 8 figure offer!).
This is one of the few legitimate failings of the BR era in my opinion, but PL and the Board bear some responsibility as well for not having that structure in place long before BR even arrived.
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kelly
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Your structure and points are well off the beam
We had a third striker at that moment we also had 2 days left of the window
You actually think you can just send a player out on loan ? ffs he needs to agree to go you can't make him
Benkovic entirley diffrent , bought by a millionaire club awash with EPL money he was stock piled to sell on
we will never be in this position
We play in the spfl ,and your trying to compare us shopping with the likes of Spurs ,Madrid and Liverpool that senario would never ever happen it is hard enough to try and attract players and good ones at that
where as the EPL can throw money at any player and not play them
we will never be in that position
TET
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Why did it cost 50 million at least?
manhattan tim
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Dembele gave them six months notice before he left. He spoke to Brendan in January. Our response was to sign Edouard which ws the right decision. but we should have been trying to get another junior Edouard type in to replace the body we were losing. BEFORE the CL debacle at AEK.
Boyata had not signed a contract with 8 months to expiry yet and all signs pointed to him going out the door when he got a better offer. Since we needed 2 backs anyway why not sign at least one quality one which puts us in a better negotiation position? we failed and its Lawwells fault. we lost to AEK because our defense simply wasnt good enough to hold up in a game where we couldnt rely on holding the ball 2 thirds of the time like we do in Scotland.
We already know that clubs will strike at the last minute of the transfer when you cant do anything to counter their strategy. If you need the player you cant set up an auction strategy to get the best bid. You just have to hope that nothing gets done. When the player wants away that doesnt happen. When the player sees we wont be having CL Groups it hastens their wanting away. When you have alternatives you can. This is what Ajax does. It is in their strategy and has been written about. Its the right thing to do. Thats why we are where we are an they waffled Real in Spain. We could do that too if Lawwell was less reactionary.
Lawwell has failed us in this regard and needs to be replaced as head of football....not as head of the business, but the business needs to evolve in its thinking given the prizes on offer. Make no mistake if we dont take every shot at the 50mm prize the Huns will and once they get it we will be looking up for a long long time....because they will spend spend spend just like before. Playing to keep the lead is the only strategy that will work for Celtic. Being content to compete wont work like it did where winning PL Championship was nice but finishing second didnt cost you anything.
This is not rocket science its common sense.
manhattan tim
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L40mm for the CL and L10mm plus proceeds from a Boyata sale. We couldnt sell Boyata because we had no plan B. Our center backs were not going to compete in Europe so we had to keep him and thus forfeited the L10mm pounds that his sale would have brought once we had brought in two capable backs transferred in. Now he leaves on a Bosman.
Total 50mm lost for not fixing it in advance. We had two transfer windows and did nowt.
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kelly
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We did have a plan b but we also had a manager who was whoring himself out for hire at the time or did you miss that part
TET
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Getting a player in the door before someone leaves cuts your own throat as well.
The player you want to leave is even less valauble for the club and selling the undesired player becomes harder without losing lots of value.
How many bad players in do you sanction?
How many players can club carry without throwing good money down the pan?
IMO club doesnt not need more than 25 first team players.
Should be carrying no more than 25 players before it buys yet more first team players unless massive injury list, then question need to be askd of manager as to why the list of injuries is so high and pervasive.
There seems to be lots of fantasy financial managers talking about fantasy sums of money and how it can be better utilised while holding onto hordes of players that club will struggle to sell in short term unless at deep discount offered, which also cuts into income levels.
Sometimes think we have lot of horde thinking floating around about hypothetical things that have no actual baring in reality.
Lawell aint my cup of tea through silence on too many topics.
Board silence offends me.
Rodgers poor financial management always worried me,
His excessive luxury always worried me.
His man management was suspect
His budhist chats annoyed me. Beautiflu man this and such wonderful human beings that.
The doubts raised in summer after whole serious of financial decisions that Rodgers was very much at fault on.
But the board got it neck as skint flints despite increasing op casts to very risky levels by backing thier choice for the managers role.
The fantasy stuff about losing 50 million through not buying better defenders is hypothetical and totally misses out lots of income that was real.
The speculate to accumulate tosh is usually made by people who dont understand the operation costs.
My gripes with board are through lack of board type public communications with fans.
Even when Rodgers shafts club, albeit club got cash for that shafting, the next level of fantasy spending based on hypothetical cash inflows through mystery channel that have no real tangible proof or realistion is launched.
Celtic backed the manager contrary to popular opinion.
Spending money of better defenders (better than the ones the manager brought in) would not have guaranteed CL.
But rather than liaise properly through proper club channels about stuff that most people dont really understand they choose silence. That choice annoys me as it gives license to the fantasy financial managers in the support and instead of people learning the truth of the finacial side of things we get MSM propaganda using it as a weapon and its very very effective.
CL would NOT have brought in 50m more this season. Perhaps 20 million more than waht we have actually earned in europa run but would also have incurred higher bonusus so maybe 10 million after costs more this season would be a more realistic figure.
The club needs to cut back on wages to a more sensible level for income guaranteed before they start value adding with more player purchases. Or short term expand the op costs but pay the long term price.
Hatred for the board based on pre mccann era is bizarre.
They may be silent on too many topics but on the actual running of the club they have done pretty well
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