green sprig
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Looking on youtube for information about the Russians and Ukranians I
came across this interview but would never have guessed Fergie was
being interviewed about Irish Catholic History..
HH
Was this in defence of his wife.
- Thread starter green sprig
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Looking on youtube for information about the Russians and Ukranians I
came across this interview but would never have guessed Fergie was
being interviewed about Irish Catholic History..
HH
Bellshill bhoy
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He’s a clever, highly clued up man…I respect him even more…
Wee question for all the noisers…..
Alex Ferguson…..Scotland greatest ever manager?
Wee question for all the noisers…..
Alex Ferguson…..Scotland greatest ever manager?
Iv never seen heard that interview before thanks for putting it on the noise gs.a brilliant manager always respected him its one of them things that you would never have thought Alex would read up on.as for best manager in Scotland thiers only one big jock.
Espiritosanto
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Wow noo there’s a question!!a always think the first one to do a feat is the best,”big jock”but fergie was a brilliant manager,,,,still canny get ma heed round how he still bigs the hun mob up even after the treatment his wife got
Bellshill bhoy
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Jock Stein
Dunfermline Athletic
Scottish Cup: 1960–61
Fife Cup (3): 1959–60, 1960–61, 1962–63
Penman Cup: 1959–60
Hibernian
Summer Cup: 1963–64
Celtic
European Cup: 1966–67
Scottish league championship (10): 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1973–74, 1976–77
Scottish Cup (8): 1964–65, 1966–67, 1968–69, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1973–74, 1974–75, 1976–77
Scottish League Cup (6): 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1974–75
Drybrough Cup: 1974
Glasgow Cup (5): 1964–65 , 1966–67, 1967–68, 1969–70, 1974–75
Scotland
Rous Cup: 1985
Dunfermline Athletic
Scottish Cup: 1960–61
Fife Cup (3): 1959–60, 1960–61, 1962–63
Penman Cup: 1959–60
Hibernian
Summer Cup: 1963–64
Celtic
European Cup: 1966–67
Scottish league championship (10): 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1973–74, 1976–77
Scottish Cup (8): 1964–65, 1966–67, 1968–69, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1973–74, 1974–75, 1976–77
Scottish League Cup (6): 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1974–75
Drybrough Cup: 1974
Glasgow Cup (5): 1964–65 , 1966–67, 1967–68, 1969–70, 1974–75
Scotland
Rous Cup: 1985
Alex Ferguson
- St Mirren
- Aberdeen
- Manchester United
- Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
- FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
- Football League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
- FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
- UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08;runner-up: 2008–09,] 2010–11
- European Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
- European Super Cup: 1991
- Intercontinental Cup: 1999
- FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
green sprig
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As much as I have always admired Alex Freguson at Aberdeen and Man Utd I cannot see past Big Jock.
First can never be equalled,everything else is second best..
HH
First can never be equalled,everything else is second best..
HH
Imatim
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Who was it that Alex Ferguson emulated?
Bellshill bhoy
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Alex has said on numerous occasions stein was the best, he looked up to him , in some ways in awe of him,in ways ways jock “schooled” him, was his no2 at Scotland when he passed away, but as the list above shows there really isn’t any contest…..
Frank Owen
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Yes !
Frank Owen
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Big Jock will always be my personal favourite, that goes without saying. Partisanship aside, and if we take into account Sir Alex's record south of the border, then for me, he wins it.
If the question pertains only to their careers in Scotland, then Jock wins .
If the question pertains only to their careers in Scotland, then Jock wins .
Imatim
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Jock Stein didn’t just revolutionise Celtic he revolutionised world football.....he paved the way for others to follow in European Football.
It is widely stated the Dutch gave the world total football when in essence it was Big Jock and Celtic.....Alex Ferguson was a great manager but they broke the mould with Jock Stein...
It is widely stated the Dutch gave the world total football when in essence it was Big Jock and Celtic.....Alex Ferguson was a great manager but they broke the mould with Jock Stein...
Big Jock and Celtic squad attended the famous England v Hungary game in 1953. The Hungarians played total football and destroyed England 6-3. I think it was the first time England lost to a non UK team at Wembley. Feranc Puskas was the star man for Hungary. Puskas was Ange Postecoglus manager at South Melbourne. Funny how things work oot in football.
Alex Ferguson was Big Jocks pupil. He played for Jock at Dunfermline and loved it and wanted to learn everything he could from the big man.
Alex Ferguson was Deidcos only hope of winning the Big Cup. He was a Rangers man through and through and should have won trophies with them and not Aberdeen. Their bigotry cost them their only realistic hope of winning the Big Cup.
Alex Ferguson was Big Jocks pupil. He played for Jock at Dunfermline and loved it and wanted to learn everything he could from the big man.
Alex Ferguson was Deidcos only hope of winning the Big Cup. He was a Rangers man through and through and should have won trophies with them and not Aberdeen. Their bigotry cost them their only realistic hope of winning the Big Cup.
Jinkybhoy
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Jock Stein...Matt Busby...Bill Shankly...Alex Ferguson...Ange Postecoglou
The Shamrock
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Jock Stein was the man who led the way for all the rest. Nuff said.
Richie745
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Big Jock was the man epitomized by the fact he acheived all that he did with home grown talent
Fergie was a great manager and while it can be argued he followed Big Jock's ethos in bringing the class of 92 through from the academy he still spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his teams.
Could he have acheived what he achieved with 11 lads from Manchester
I doubt it
Fergie was a great manager and while it can be argued he followed Big Jock's ethos in bringing the class of 92 through from the academy he still spent hundreds of millions of pounds on his teams.
Could he have acheived what he achieved with 11 lads from Manchester
I doubt it
TartanTim
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BIG JOCK WAS THE BEST MANAGER THAT I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SEEING IN SCOTLAND IMO HE'S THE BEST EVER MANAGER SCOTLAND HAS PRODUCED.
When Jock took over the Scotland job in 78, he chose Fergie as his assistant manager. In his books, many interviews & at a sportsman's dinner I was at, Fergie admitted that he had the best apprenticeship ever assisting Jock at Scotland & it made him a Successful Manager. He took notes every time they spoke, they both suffered from insomnia & spent many nights talking tactics, style & types of players. Fergie often referred to the notes he had taken when on Scotland duty, later in managerial career. He also admitted. That BIG Jock was the greatest manager Scotland ever produced & those 7yrs at Scotland made him the 2nd best manager just a head of Busby & Shankly.
He did leave Rangers after one of the Directors referred to Fergies wife as that Fenian Bitch.
When Jock took over the Scotland job in 78, he chose Fergie as his assistant manager. In his books, many interviews & at a sportsman's dinner I was at, Fergie admitted that he had the best apprenticeship ever assisting Jock at Scotland & it made him a Successful Manager. He took notes every time they spoke, they both suffered from insomnia & spent many nights talking tactics, style & types of players. Fergie often referred to the notes he had taken when on Scotland duty, later in managerial career. He also admitted. That BIG Jock was the greatest manager Scotland ever produced & those 7yrs at Scotland made him the 2nd best manager just a head of Busby & Shankly.
He did leave Rangers after one of the Directors referred to Fergies wife as that Fenian Bitch.
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Tony
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Great manager and a great friend of Jock Stein ..good enough for me.
Will always claim if Mark Hughes hadn't scored the 3 goals that he did in 2 finals against Palace and Barcelona then the legacy that Alex Ferguson set for himself possibly wouldn't have come about.
So still ranks way behind the other Scottish great managers imo, as he did get the time and the money to create such a legacy.
No way would he have been given that time nowadays, and was fortunate to be around at the right time and with the luck of having such a talented set of youngsters also.
His man management skills were set by other greats before him and no more so than Big jock himself.
Such legacies like the great Scottish managers of the past will never be achieved on the same scale again imo, yet what Ange is currently achieving may well put him alongside such an outstanding achievement in what he could bring to the Scottish game, and on a far higher achievement than most done within the English league as such.
So the biggest ambassador for Scottish football will always remain with Big Jock and possibly Ange may well become the only one to ever challenge his achievements still imo.
So still ranks way behind the other Scottish great managers imo, as he did get the time and the money to create such a legacy.
No way would he have been given that time nowadays, and was fortunate to be around at the right time and with the luck of having such a talented set of youngsters also.
His man management skills were set by other greats before him and no more so than Big jock himself.
Such legacies like the great Scottish managers of the past will never be achieved on the same scale again imo, yet what Ange is currently achieving may well put him alongside such an outstanding achievement in what he could bring to the Scottish game, and on a far higher achievement than most done within the English league as such.
So the biggest ambassador for Scottish football will always remain with Big Jock and possibly Ange may well become the only one to ever challenge his achievements still imo.
