Theverdict1
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Utter fucking shit mate. Typical brexiteer bollocks.
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Utter fucking shit mate. Typical brexiteer bollocks.
Steviebhoy67
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It would take forever to explain pal. It's not a bad thing to have different views on subjects just as it is on this forum.
The one thing i would say is that the EU don't want a no deal. It's in EVERYBODYS interest to trade as easily as poss. For example; BMW sell more cars to the UK than any other country. I'm sure they will ensure things are done to continue trading with us. Yes. We rely on other countries for various goods but it's a reciprocating thing.
HH buddy
Steviebhoy67
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Watch your language pal. We're all entitled to our opinion.
COWDENPIX
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That's definitely a great thing to see when a player breezes games for fun, and the big fellas a great reader of the game aswell so makes it all look sooooo vvd. The tranny shagger has got 80+ m to spend so hopefully he just doesn't (fancy) rate him and needs the squad space
michael duffy
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we start talkin politics- shit happens, that's ma last, ah'm out ae here!
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Artur
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Would rather talk about doors Michael
michael duffy
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This is "the end"Would rather talk about doors Michael
TET
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Its not an easy thing to convince people on any subject, there is opinion, but when a massive subject is boiled down to individual perspectives on minuscule generalisations then its not so good.
there are positives and negatives lumped together into a big pile of mess.
Picking out favourite bits and not looking so closely at other bits other people think are important can get messy.
My overall leaning currently as choice is stay in Europe. Purely based on lack of information thats reliable.
But I can see why people might want out.
Some reasons for staying are general, some specific, but overall the deliberate lack of trustworthy information is problematic.
So my heart tells me (which really means the things preprogrammed into my subconscious) better together in Europe. History doesn't bode well in a fractured Europe.
But the hidden hand and the unelected big powers in European politics is serious problem.
I love certain labour politicians from past. I detest others.
I detest tory politics but their system, if it was not utilised by psychotic manipulators, might work best.
Therein lies the problem.
Justice.
How do you protect the individual rights of human dignity and property, while considering the moral wellbeing of the least well off?
Does handing over your freedom to big powerful unelectable autocrats with immoral agenda supercede the individual rights of an individual?
Only information can solve that problem. And the information channels are hijacked by the same big powerful autocrats who want power.
democracy becomes mob rule when information is limited
And mob rule is dictated by the mob herders who appear to be MSM, who are controlled by the autocrats hidden from view.
Today the choices are more dialectically opposed than ever.
But the power doesn't change hands, imo, it always stays with the herders who remain aloof and hidden within the inner state sanctum, no matter the politics they feel will give them power, when they have power they dont actually do justice with it.
Left leaning social responsibility v right leaning diy
When both are offering the extreme end of their respective spectrum then you get war, always, might be cold at first but it will lead to very hot war eventually.
Europe with its undemocratic hierarchy is a problem.
But fascist nationalist hard right is also a problem.
personally I can't vote for either, but I still vote for independent scotland even though in my heart it won't make blind bit of difference, hope springs eternal that it will, but gut says it's pointless.
But when the propaganda has displaced the actual valuable information, which is not available to the masses even if they were interested, then bedlam rules.
So instead of democracy we have mob rule
Its all down to gut feelings and instinct which can be very very wrong. And easily manipulated by the psychopaths running the game.
Anyway
if people in Scotland want out of eu I can understand why
If people want to stay I can understand why
If people want out of uk I can understand why
if people want stay in I can also understand why
Therefore for the best results for everyone requires healthy discussion about differing opinions with valid reasons both general and specific, in hope it reveals a better course than current poles apart dictatorships.
But the information is filibustered by extremist views and the uncertainty it creates helps only the people in power
I want out of uk
I want out of EU
I would prefer I lived in scotland but economically that would probably be bad for most people generally and probably individually
that's something I can live with if I got my vote.
But I wouldn't force it on anyone else even if I was convinced it was definitely best option generally
Each individual must look out for number 1 but with caveat that it must not cause more harm in world than it individually supplies number 1
And hopefully also that it doesn't create ill health for other sentient beings with needs
Thats why I detest torys
they talk good game but don't appear to give a toss for the many, make up load shite to support their egoism and Klan behaviours and pretend ever so well to be looking out for the poor in their own special way.
But soviet style politics, like eu has become, is not a better option
Both options are rancid to me.
false tory bandits v false liberal soviet europeans
same option in USA
Bandit democrat occultists v right wing selfish egoists
And extreme propaganda from both.
both without virtue
both totally useless for healthy communities
hard left creates hard right and vice versa
And the only people who win are the state in either case.
Hidden hand Machiavellian politics wins either way.
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TET
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Its worth noting that John Lennon pro left was billionaire writer, love his poetic brilliance, but he detested the tax man who took away his money.
Same with Pink Floyd. Wrote about pigs on the wing and liberalism but loved their own wealth more.
See the contradiction of life even in the brilliant minds who think they love socialism but really want their won privacy and property as well
Does not compute?
Same with Pink Floyd. Wrote about pigs on the wing and liberalism but loved their own wealth more.
See the contradiction of life even in the brilliant minds who think they love socialism but really want their won privacy and property as well
Does not compute?
The campaign for brexit was based on lies.
who would have thought? ..... politicians lying eh? Well if its a tory or labour as we seen in the indy ref dirty tricks campaign, if they breathe they fkn lie.
easy to see why some bought into it.
the media where in on it too, all that anti immigrant hysterical pish that their to blame for lack of benefits, housing etc when in actual fact its the fatcats not paying taxes, the politicians and their expenses scandal and the lot of them with their tax havens (incidentally why they want brexit, to prevent the EU making them pay tax rather than hide it) shiesters buying football clubs, running them into the ground and getting off scot free before starting again. Banks folding through nefarious business dealings that the working poor have to pay the lot on their todd.
beggars belief that anyone bought into a better together campaign with it only being better for the fatcats having the working poor and the benefit claimants (coz their money has been cut under that new system) pay for everything.
yeah the media played a blinder for them.
Steviebhoy67
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Much of their money paid to them by working class people buying their records etc.
I find it very selfish that these people get schooling from the state paid for by taxpayers cash, protected by police, fire & ambulance services etc then refuse to pay their fair dues back into the system so that someone elses kid can have the security and priviledges they had.
Tax evaders are scum in my book. Takers never giving.
Theverdict1
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Bang on. A complete lying bastard fest. A absolutely racist campaign and played to the let's blame immigrants bollocks. Economically a bus was driven through that pile of shite and we are set for a massive slump including the £ tanking.
Cutting ourselves off from our biggest market, reducing immigration which Scotland needs. Pulling up the ladder like little fucking Englanders who when you see them march are a bunch of racist Nazi loving bastards.
Brexit is already the disaster predicted and once we crash out it will just get worse. Hopefully Sturgeon can lead us out if it and any talk we wouldn't get back in with our resources and them knowing we voted overwhelmingly to remain is fucking horseshit.
We need to get out of this Tory run union, especially as Labour are a total farce. How can they be ten points behind with a Tory party of total lying incompetent pricks?
We need to go alone for our economy, our future, immigration we need. Keeping our oil and trying to create a fairer society. Anybody thinks that will happen under Brexit it the Tories is fucking deluded.
Yeah. The thing with Labour is they rolled over after years of calling the tories for everything, telling us how bad they were for the odinary person ....then jumped into bed with them in indyref telling us well the tories aren’t that bad.
Problem is, respects been lost and they are just the tories bitch now which doesn’t auger well for the ordinary person.
Sturgeon whether you like or dislike her is the only one with the stones to at least make people hear her. Can’t stomach her lack of action on the marching clowns though.
As for our oil V, most platform/rigs have been sold off to other countries which should never have happened...... yet each year you hear them mumble about the barnet formula afforded to scots as a sweetner sold under the per head aspect.
All the roads and new motorways in Scotland at the moment where funded by EU money. It turns out they gave more than they took.
i can’t stand the tories n i despise labour for selling us down the river but most of all i hate how the fatcats absolve themselves ofpaying their fair share of taxes to get this country back on its feet and have rigged the game to ensure the ordinary person is the only ones footing the bill.
Then you have to laugh ironically that most votes for brexit came from englands working classes.
Talk about Sado Machinism? Absolute joke all round yet the ones in the know are too weary to laugh.
Steviebhoy67
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The prophets of imminent doom lol.
Scare stories every day. Just remember. THE MAJORITY VOTED LEAVE. END OF DEMOCRACY OTHERWISE.
Come now Steviebhoy, surely its democratic to be given the true facts rather than lies or have you seen the 350 million a day towards the nhs?
Was everyone aware of just how much funding we actually get from the EU?
Immigration? Well they have already said they could not cut the numbers by any substantial amounts.
How can anyone reach an informed ballot box choice when everything, EVERYTHING, sold was a lie?
Where is true democracy in that, whilst there is money to be made, siphoned and hidden by the fatcats they will always rig the game in their favour which means democracy went out the window. Its a farce Stevie.
TET
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majority in England dictating terms that majority of Scotland must accept.
No matter what scotland votes if England vote for something else Scotland get what England want for Scottish resources.
Its a broken system.
its mob rule by England in Scotland
which cant be democracy for scotland, its just do the will of England.
Which seems to be take all the assets and transpose them to London to be dished out by incompetent men with agenda to enrich the few in the inner city f London.
broken
