Cairnsybhoy79
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TraitorsIt was what I believe BR snake had in mind but PL traitor had one more obsessed with a rebirth of an "Old firm" brand with a puppet to oversee it,
TraitorsIt was what I believe BR snake had in mind but PL traitor had one more obsessed with a rebirth of an "Old firm" brand with a puppet to oversee it,
It's only my own personal opinion cairnsybhoy and it is the only one that is making any sense to me as to why are decline this season has been so dramaticTraitors
Totally agree just look at the disagreements on here alone and that's without team selections.Just seen the GB are shouting for a new campaign AGITATE FOR CHANGE but they want fan ownership I'm not up for that tbh for me u need a cold hard business man in the boardroom put ur hatred for the board aside for now overall the reason we have a bank balance at all is because of how they ran the club whether we like it or not.... I genuinely dont know if they're fans or just business men buy they have the power to switch off they're love of the club and think about things coldly, properly as a business shud act I just canny imagine being run by the fans outrite I think it wid be a disaster tbh
Never thought I wid ever contemplate that scenario either but it makes perfect sense wen u look over it awe to me the board thought about a future in this league way no one capable of actually winning the league apart fay us and being the cold hard business men they are they made sure the future rivalry wid be there for future income and keep a telly deal.... see now av wrote that out I can see why a business guy type wid want to not help but not make things hard either because they make money together unfortunately if we were in a better league it wid have ended so much better widnae have to worry bout shit telly deal way one team league and they wid have stayed fuckin deedIt's only my own personal opinion cairnsybhoy and it is the only one that is making any sense to me as to why are decline this season has been so dramatic
The downside would have meant falling well away in the European competitions possiblyNever thought I wid ever contemplate that scenario either but it makes perfect sense wen u look over it awe to me the board thought about a future in this league way no one capable of actually winning the league apart fay us and being the cold hard business men they are they made sure the future rivalry wid be there for future income and keep a telly deal.... see now av wrote that out I can see why a business guy type wid want to not help but not make things hard either because they make money together unfortunately if we were in a better league it wid have ended so much better widnae have to worry bout shit telly deal way one team league and they wid have stayed fuckin deed
Should also bring about the banter years again over at the pig sty.Just seen the GB are shouting for a new campaign AGITATE FOR CHANGE but they want fan ownership I'm not up for that tbh for me u need a cold hard business man in the boardroom put ur hatred for the board aside for now overall the reason we have a bank balance at all is because of how they ran the club whether we like it or not.... I genuinely dont know if they're fans or just business men buy they have the power to switch off they're love of the club and think about things coldly, properly as a business shud act I just canny imagine being run by the fans outrite I think it wid be a disaster tbh
Absolutely false again.TET you are way off the mark and now trying to manipulate things by trying to change the points I am making to justify your own claims.
I find myself constantly going around in circles because you refuse to look at the obvious.
I don't know how I can make this any simpler for you but I will try yet again.
At a guess I would say we are currently running at 10m on wasted wages between loans and an oversized playing squad that's without the squandered money on 2 out of 3 signings that look like been very poor investments.
That tells me that huge cut backs can and need to be made to stop bleeding money down the drain.
So a 10m saving could pay for at least 5 better investment than we have at present.
Throw in the savings on the want away players will possibly generate enough for say 4 for replacements.
So there is the rebuilding of a team without this huge outlay that you try to claim as risks.
They would only be so high risk as the people currently making these decisions are getting them so badly wrong which has led to a decline in where are preformance should be not an improvement.
It's called a restructor of the club for gains to be make with a far better structure on how money is spent and the investments required.
More money will possibly be needed now to get a proper management team in place which will need extra funding which is also maintainable from money in the bank and also player sales.
We are still in a sound enough financial position to make the adjustments needed to get us back to where we should be.
Now if you have a better outlook then we would all love to hear it, as we are yet to hear of any from you but plenty about why it can't so over to you
And here was me thinking I was probably the only TT member on The Noise JN. Difference is that I have always been a friggin' bore. Now well into my declining years and I've still not started on the booze. Time yet maybe ? Well, if The 'Tic don't get their house in order soon, maybe it would beat talking to her indoors.Well you Stg you may have to go thirsty then as I stopped drinking years ago.
It may come as a bigger shock that it also got me into a whole world of trouble
But I never have a problem with a good debate and dismissing opinions even if they are right, but seldom are they
One thing which is abundantly clear is that we all want the same thing; a successful Celtic run by a forward looking board and management team. The debate on here is welcome and is to be encouraged. I for one have enjoyed reading the views of both TT and JN. Well done to both of you.Absolutely false again.
Its you who have provided no evidense to back up your non existent plan thats not attached to reality
And again its you who are spinning away from your own false points.
point 1
this thread about club underinvesting
And board deliberately downsizing??
And the evidence is the complete opposite.
point 2
you say it can be done by getting a better manager and better players from cheap markets
Point 3
your plan to date is exactly the same one the board are accused of being underinvesting and downsizing
Point 4
You take subjective evidense at best, shimmy it around, then base bizarre conclusions on the shimmying, then blame me for confusing you
when all I want is to know how your plan works if its not underinvesting and downsizing?
I have given you figures that I believe are grounded in reality
You have mystically popped out potentially imaginary 10 million savings as proof
you want to make it easy for me.
here's how
what income do you think celtic can justifiably achieve each season? figure please
What percentage of that income should be aimed for cost of revenue?
how much different to current historic revenues over last 10 years?
Im not manipulating anything
im asking you to explain your better plan. Not my better plan
YOUR better plan
simple real world figures would be nice
Fully agree with your thoughtsOne thing which is abundantly clear is that we all want the same thing; a successful Celtic run by a forward looking board and management team. The debate on here is welcome and is to be encouraged. I for one have enjoyed reading the views of both TT and JN. Well done to both of you.
If I can chip in with my own tuppence worth, I feel we sometimes fail to acknowledge the fact that the club actually DID spend a decent amount of money; especially by SPL standards. Problem is, most of the money spent sits on the bench.
Player recruitment has been nothing short of disastrous. I don't think too many of us would dispute that. But then again, maybe some of you see it different. All opinions welcome.
The fans running the club would be a nightmare ?Just seen the GB are shouting for a new campaign AGITATE FOR CHANGE but they want fan ownership I'm not up for that tbh for me u need a cold hard business man in the boardroom put ur hatred for the board aside for now overall the reason we have a bank balance at all is because of how they ran the club whether we like it or not.... I genuinely dont know if they're fans or just business men buy they have the power to switch off they're love of the club and think about things coldly, properly as a business shud act I just canny imagine being run by the fans outrite I think it wid be a disaster tbh
I have to agree with TET in partAbsolutely false again.
Its you who have provided no evidense to back up your non existent plan thats not attached to reality
And again its you who are spinning away from your own false points.
point 1
this thread about club underinvesting
And board deliberately downsizing??
And the evidence is the complete opposite.
point 2
you say it can be done by getting a better manager and better players from cheap markets
Point 3
your plan to date is exactly the same one the board are accused of being underinvesting and downsizing
Point 4
You take subjective evidense at best, shimmy it around, then base bizarre conclusions on the shimmying, then blame me for confusing you
when all I want is to know how your plan works if its not underinvesting and downsizing?
I have given you figures that I believe are grounded in reality
You have mystically popped out potentially imaginary 10 million savings as proof
you want to make it easy for me.
here's how
what income do you think celtic can justifiably achieve each season? figure please
What percentage of that income should be aimed for cost of revenue?
how much different to current historic revenues over last 10 years?
Im not manipulating anything
im asking you to explain your better plan. Not my better plan
YOUR better plan
simple real world figures would be nice
I have to Disagree to Agree with youI've always found that debate is , I say what's right and everyone agrees
Don’t think we will get John jo O’Neill TETIs John jo kenny upsizing?
Is Elyounousi upsizing?
Is Duffy upsizing?
Is Ajeti upsizing?
Which signings are classed as upsizing?
Do wages matter in the upsizing metrics?
Soz STG disagree people that don’t want to be here Bit.I have to agree with TET in part
what we’re watching isn’t downsizing
£35 million spent on shite in the last few years is more than we’ve ever spent in my lifetime
so the idea that we are downsizing is just a stick to beat the board with. I would suggest we haven’t yet saw the downsizing that is spoke about
I would possibly say the phrase managed decline is getting closer to the truth but it really should be mismanaged decline
piss poor recruitment, poor management and keeping people that don’t want to be there is responsible for where we are
Huya it’s Her indoors speaking through ma pal Jamsam yir dinners in the next Door neighbors fucking dug. Oh and I’ve made a nice we bed fur yi in the hutAnd here was me thinking I was probably the only TT member on The Noise JN. Difference is that I have always been a friggin' bore. Now well into my declining years and I've still not started on the booze. Time yet maybe ? Well, if The 'Tic don't get their house in order soon, maybe it would beat talking to her indoors.
I know what you mean STG, but I'm not too sure anyone actually wants fans running the club. I know I don't. What would be good for sure would be a bit more of an open mind from the club, a bit more willingness to listen, and answer, the concerns of the supporters. I actually believe the current board/ management ARE Celtic supporters. I also believe they have got some things very wrong. So being a fan guarantees nothing.The fans running the club would be a nightmare ?
aye but they’ve got a billionaire ? No ok
Experience on plc boards ? No thought not
what you got ?
Somebody that can sew and iron bedsheets, oh and an artist