shove yer poppy up yer a**e? Not for me!

Additionally when put on the spot to stay quiet for a minute (workplaces in England nearly all do it) I have my own reflections. The poppy for me is about celebrating war not remembering the dead. So I think about the young men led by dishonest leaders the world over, starved of information and trained to hate. I think about the people who would have been my second cousins had the Luftwaffe not blown them to bits in Clydebank......it's easy to fill a minute and they can't control what you think
 
Additionally when put on the spot to stay quiet for a minute (workplaces in England nearly all do it) I have my own reflections. The poppy for me is about celebrating war not remembering the dead. So I think about the young men led by dishonest leaders the world over, starved of information and trained to hate. I think about the people who would have been my second cousins had the Luftwaffe not blown them to bits in Clydebank......it's easy to fill a minute and they can't control what you think

Thats it pal. The beauty of that allows us to remember the true cost and loss of war.

Like you i cannot stand all the pomp.

My Grandad said in WW2 if someone was given a medal it was usually put in a hat and whoevers name came out got the medal not the actual person it was sent for.

They were sent to war without the required boots n stuff and there was rationing here.

It was a poor shop all round.

Then you look at these pompous ceremonial celebrations and see all these oldies wearing about a million medals.

Where did they get them? Its not the guides where you get a badge for each action accomplished.

I would love to question them on how they attained each one knowing they were rarely given out due to lack of cash.

For me their absolute frauds and i think shame on them, its mocking the dead
 
The vast majority of soldiers in WW1 were conscripts. They had little choice but to go there. WW2 was not fought against fascism otherwise the Allies would have dismantled fascism in Spain and restored the democratically elected government that Hitler’s ally Franco had overthrown. The poppy phenomenon is to inject false heroism and false sentimentalism into to foul, horrific wars in an attempt to give previous and present wars legitimacy. It is disgusting war mongering. If you want to remember someone, just remember them, say a prayer, have a kind thought, plant something. But this poppy business is hypocrisy and jingoism and the glorification of horror, of brutality, of murder.
 
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Get your sentiment mate but do you go over to Dublin and lay a wreath for the 35,000 irish men that died in that war. Where north and south fought side by side in the trenches?
North and South didn’t exist in WW1. Another example of the sick sentimentalisation of horrific war. Let’s get all teary eyed over North and South fighting together in the trenches - load of crap. Let’s try and rid this world of war instead of getting all sloppy about it.
 
If the poppy was worn in memory of those who died in WWI & II then I would have no issues. Indeed, I have no issue with anyone of any faith wearing one. It is personal choice.

In WWI alone, it is estimated that 35,000 Irishmen died. These men volunteered out of a sense of idealism, adventure or for the reason James Connolly summarised, “Employment opportunities were so bad many men had no choice but to enlist”. Remaining with WWI many Irish immigrants to the UK also enlisted. The Bethune Road en route to the Battle of Loos in 1915 is littered with Scots-Irish who died prior to conscription being introduced. The Irish made up 2% and Scots 9% of the British army (interesting statistic for some people in this wee country to reflect upon). For those interested in such statistics, there was an estimated 10 million Catholics fought in WWI alone.

These brave men not only fought Germans. They also fought prejudice and poverty. Indeed, Irish troops had a disproportionate percentage of men executed. 26 Irishmen in total were ‘Shot at dawn’. In Mazingarbe, France, the people have a memorial plaque dedicated to the memory of one such 21-year-old from Cork. Executions were handed out for a range of indiscipline’s – men suffering shell shock and one poor individual for not wearing his hat. Indeed, Waterford City 14-year old John Condon was the youngest soldier to die in the war and he is honoured by the Belgium people to this day. Scots-Irish too were dying in record numbers side by side with Scottish soldiers.

Kevin Myers – a defender of Irish wartime neutrality, but one who spent many years campaigning for public and official recognition of the Irish veterans of World War II. In November 1999 Myers wrote: “Ireland now officially remembers its lost sons of the Great War without embarrassment or shame. It would be no bad thing if people also freely recalled the purely personal and voluntary sacrifice made by many individuals, unsupported by any political campaign and rigorously concealed by the censor – even in their deaths – those whose fight for freedom helped to give us a free Europe”.

This is why I honour these people in a minutes silence because I will not let their sacrifice against poverty, sectarianism and fascism be sullied and rewritten by British sectarian fascists.

Kevin Myers for reference is about the least credible source you could copy and paste from.
He is a living lampoon, about as Irish caring and typical mindset as the edl leader!
An idea of how the considered bigot racist intolerant pompous colonel myarse is considered and how he is detested.

Laziness and Propaganda Have Unfairly Tarnished The Black and Tans' Reputation

Read down through the comments which are Interesting, the rarity who think they may have some angle of reason to support the fraud, are shown that they have none, shown myers does not even research just pumps out selective headline rhetoric shyte for pay!
the man has no morals what so ever, makes it up as he sees fit, is the very epitome of the west brit who longs for empire days again.
In summary-
Native resisting with a spear is a uncouth savage
Redcoat with a rifle a decorated war hero worthy of a story, especially if they once wore a school tie of note.

The pretentious blimp eyelids fluttering powered on his own esteem, is a joke extreme, he has no morals what so ever in selecting parts of supposed credible history researched or not and making shyte up for a few notes and imagined raised profile in supposed 'news'papers.
 
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There were thousands of Irish Catholics and Scottish Protestants and Scottish Catholics volunteered for World War I - long before conscription. These people were not different they were all needing work and they all believed the English rhetoric of the period where they would have a great adventure and be home before Christmas. I possess a letter from a close family member who arrived in Dundee from Derry and settled in Larkhall with the McStay family. Two brothers died in 1915 in Ypres and Loos having volunteered to fight tyranny.

If you could read these letters you would understand that there was none of this sectarian shit between these guys. They were asking mothers to tell other mothers that people were wounded, dead or doing well and religious crap was nowhere to be seen. In September 2015 they were sending buttons home off their jackets as they knew they were going to be killed next day. In world war II lots of people, (I would have gone too) went to fight right wing fascism. The very puke that is projected across Scotland from Ibrox. However, there were Scottish protestants gave their lives too. Yes it's great to retrospectively judge this and judge that. Life is lived in real time.

You cannot be living in Scotland and talk about the Queen's shilling FFS our ancestors all came here for work. There are protestants in Scotland who take aid to Palestine - Celtic fans should rise above this shite that produced out of Ibrox. Some of our fans need to go to France and look at those fields to appreciate the sacrifrice made
 
I recall speaking to an Irish man from the West in the 1980's who believed that every Irish family who left Mayo for the UK were traitors. His family owned the hotel, garage, local shop and were responsible for 80% of employment in the local town. Thank f**k my family had the UK as opposed to be indebted to this prick. 'Scottish Plastic Paddy' or 'Fenian Bastard' - I am both & say 'fuck off' to those who in Ireland or Scotland harbouring these views. There are so many Celtic fans who want to be 'hun-like' in their thinking - Celtic fans have always been Celtic fans as they can think beyond the black & white.
 
I recall speaking to an Irish man from the West in the 1980's who believed that every Irish family who left Mayo for the UK were traitors. His family owned the hotel, garage, local shop and were responsible for 80% of employment in the local town. Thank f**k my family had the UK as opposed to be indebted to this prick. 'Scottish Plastic Paddy' or 'Fenian Bastard' - I am both & say 'fuck off' to those who in Ireland or Scotland harbouring these views. There are so many Celtic fans who want to be 'hun-like' in their thinking - Celtic fans have always been Celtic fans as they can think beyond the black & white.
I dont know if you're familiar with a pub called the Copper Beach, outside Foxford? There's a memorial to Michael Davitt who came from that neck of the woods. There's an even bigger memorial to Mayo's dead in the two world wars. Nothing about Stagg and Gaughin. I found that strange.
 
I recall speaking to an Irish man from the West in the 1980's who believed that every Irish family who left Mayo for the UK were traitors. His family owned the hotel, garage, local shop and were responsible for 80% of employment in the local town. Thank f**k my family had the UK as opposed to be indebted to this prick. 'Scottish Plastic Paddy' or 'Fenian Bastard' - I am both & say 'fuck off' to those who in Ireland or Scotland harbouring these views. There are so many Celtic fans who want to be 'hun-like' in their thinking - Celtic fans have always been Celtic fans as they can think beyond the black & white.
And your wee claimed Mayo ditty amounts to what exactly? certainly wont change many thinking minds about a red 21st century red poppy!

There are stupid base eejits all over the world! plenty of them in Scotland.

Your ditty makes no point at all in the reality that many will recall millions all over the uk in the 1980's and throughout the 1990's
  • who thought simple crude and often nasty jokes at the expense of Irish people, West Indians and Asians as not just acceptable but peak viewing entertainment.
  • listening to and accepting the word of british Government ministers continuing the selective and managed news intended to inspire fear and hate of the Irish, so as to justify killing them in law, as they did with the claimed nail bombers and gunmen on Bloody Sunday, lies of the very state they had started long before the 1970's. this is the state not some village eejit!
  • Many more will recall how watching Benny hill ogling at schoolgirls was not paedophile pervert like at all, but perfect entertainment for all the family.
  • Many more will recall a uk that had Jimmy Saville a national hero for decades
  • Some may even recall some of the thousands of jailed innocents and rounded up thousands of innocent Irish without trial, the Irish only mind you, none of those Ireland based-british terrorists, they were acceptable, just rogues. even the ones with hatchets chopping women up, just rogues.
  • the list of british idiots and perversions would fill this and many more pages
Do you seriously believe the uk was remotely a superior moral place or one of more generally considered thought!

Perhaps you are delighted to be leaving the EU and going back to GB, back and onto the great uk of the 1970's pre EU, when things were so good people only had to work a 3 day week.
Or was it that the uk GB was bankrupt! and the IMF bailed them out! selective memory hey!

Ireland was not a great place for many either, but you appear to imagine a uk so much better via your idle conversation with what you after all recognize and state was a bit of a village eejit.

You might have some credibility if you knew from more than just repeated cliche, and stated as matter of learning and fair record, how the uk had purposely bankrupted their Irish free state via tarrifs and trade wars alongside constant subtle and not so subtle bully boy threats of violence!,
Ireland the free state or early ROI never was going to amount to much, until the taxed tied political and financial shackles from London were cleared off to at least stand upright and walk alone.

I suggest you go look at the GDP per capita figures for the last 20 plus years if you still hold clichés about backwards broke poor little dependent Ireland! from any credible source you examine! Now that will make really depressing reading for the typically not so well informed british nationalist.

Ireland is an ok nation, not so great even now, but in comparison and I know both islands well. Would not dream of living in that other one off the mainland of Europe.

We are still not a great place for too many, but then we don't go around calling 'ourselves' great Ireland or united anything, perhaps not so daft in comparison!

Your last sentence about Celtic fans btw appears to contradict itself.
 
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I recall speaking to an Irish man from the West in the 1980's who believed that every Irish family who left Mayo for the UK were traitors. His family owned the hotel, garage, local shop and were responsible for 80% of employment in the local town. Thank f**k my family had the UK as opposed to be indebted to this prick. 'Scottish Plastic Paddy' or 'Fenian Bastard' - I am both & say 'fuck off' to those who in Ireland or Scotland harbouring these views. There are so many Celtic fans who want to be 'hun-like' in their thinking - Celtic fans have always been Celtic fans as they can think beyond the black & white.
whit!
 
There were thousands of Irish Catholics and Scottish Protestants and Scottish Catholics volunteered for World War I - long before conscription. These people were not different they were all needing work and they all believed the English rhetoric of the period where they would have a great adventure and be home before Christmas. I possess a letter from a close family member who arrived in Dundee from Derry and settled in Larkhall with the McStay family. Two brothers died in 1915 in Ypres and Loos having volunteered to fight tyranny.

If you could read these letters you would understand that there was none of this sectarian shit between these guys. They were asking mothers to tell other mothers that people were wounded, dead or doing well and religious crap was nowhere to be seen. In September 2015 they were sending buttons home off their jackets as they knew they were going to be killed next day. In world war II lots of people, (I would have gone too) went to fight right wing fascism. The very puke that is projected across Scotland from Ibrox. However, there were Scottish protestants gave their lives too. Yes it's great to retrospectively judge this and judge that. Life is lived in real time.

You cannot be living in Scotland and talk about the Queen's shilling FFS our ancestors all came here for work. There are protestants in Scotland who take aid to Palestine - Celtic fans should rise above this shite that produced out of Ibrox. Some of our fans need to go to France and look at those fields to appreciate the sacrifrice made
No sectarian shit? Really? So the 36th Ulster Division wasn’t formed directly from the illegal UVF? So the riots and shootings in Glasgow, smashing of the van etc, in the 20s never happened? Tell me, if there were so many willing recruits, why did the British Government introduce conscription? Your post is just more sentimentally sick nonsense trying to inject false heroism and fraternity into a horrific war between empires. And how were these gallant Irish and Scots rewarded after the horror - they were rewarded with poverty, unemployment, hunger, slum housing and in the case of Irish Catholics, discrimination in employment. This modern day Poppy Fascism is a racket and a propaganda tool to justify royalty, the ruling class and modern wars against poor people throughout the world. Wear your poppy with pride in remembrance of those British Airforce personnel currently involved in the slaughter bombing of the innocents - please, educate yourself to this nonsense.
 
I recall speaking to an Irish man from the West in the 1980's who believed that every Irish family who left Mayo for the UK were traitors. His family owned the hotel, garage, local shop and were responsible for 80% of employment in the local town. Thank f**k my family had the UK as opposed to be indebted to this prick. 'Scottish Plastic Paddy' or 'Fenian Bastard' - I am both & say 'fuck off' to those who in Ireland or Scotland harbouring these views. There are so many Celtic fans who want to be 'hun-like' in their thinking - Celtic fans have always been Celtic fans as they can think beyond the black & white.
I fail to see any relevance in this post!
 
There were thousands of Irish Catholics and Scottish Protestants and Scottish Catholics volunteered for World War I - long before conscription. These people were not different they were all needing work and they all believed the English rhetoric of the period where they would have a great adventure and be home before Christmas. I possess a letter from a close family member who arrived in Dundee from Derry and settled in Larkhall with the McStay family. Two brothers died in 1915 in Ypres and Loos having volunteered to fight tyranny.

If you could read these letters you would understand that there was none of this sectarian shit between these guys. They were asking mothers to tell other mothers that people were wounded, dead or doing well and religious crap was nowhere to be seen. In September 2015 they were sending buttons home off their jackets as they knew they were going to be killed next day. In world war II lots of people, (I would have gone too) went to fight right wing fascism. The very puke that is projected across Scotland from Ibrox. However, there were Scottish protestants gave their lives too. Yes it's great to retrospectively judge this and judge that. Life is lived in real time.

You cannot be living in Scotland and talk about the Queen's shilling FFS our ancestors all came here for work. There are protestants in Scotland who take aid to Palestine - Celtic fans should rise above this shite that produced out of Ibrox. Some of our fans need to go to France and look at those fields to appreciate the sacrifrice made
Why would I ever want or need to go near these fields in France. Infact I could take you on a guided tour of south Armagh, strabane, Derry, Fermanagh, Belfast and more. I could show you what real sacrifice was. Remember something here, those people who died in France for whatever their reasoning was to be there. They went to war, some forced some by choice and some maybe thought they had no other choice. They went to war. The Irish people didn't choose war, it was brought here by war mongering mongrels. What we did was to stand up and defend ourselves. It was basic survival, fight or flight. So remember that the next time you hear of the IRA. There would be no IRA if the Brits had to leave us alone, they created them. did you ever stop to think about that for a minute? There would be no need for any guerrilla movement anywhere in the world, if these tramps would fuck off and mind their own business. Like I said above, these people who died in France had a choice, the Irish hadn't.
 
Why would I ever want or need to go near these fields in France. Infact I could take you on a guided tour of south Armagh, strabane, Derry, Fermanagh, Belfast and more. I could show you what real sacrifice was. Remember something here, those people who died in France for whatever their reasoning was to be there. They went to war, some forced some by choice and some maybe thought they had no other choice. They went to war. The Irish people didn't choose war, it was brought here by war mongering mongrels. What we did was to stand up and defend ourselves. It was basic survival, fight or flight. So remember that the next time you hear of the IRA.

It is very sad that you do not understand that many Irish people went to France through poverty or through wishing to fight fascism. You could show 35000, Irishmen in the Fields of France what 'Real sacrifice was' - could...ye..? Some of these men were IRA battalions sent by Eamon de Valera to learn about the skills of warfare from the British. No one criticised the Irish people and the struggles but don't talk about choices like some narrow minded prick. I come from fucking Derry and don't need a guided tour of Irish history off of you or any other prick.
 
It is very sad that you do not understand that many Irish people went to France through poverty or through wishing to fight fascism. You could show 35000, Irishmen in the Fields of France what 'Real sacrifice was' - could...ye..? Some of these men were IRA battalions sent by Eamon de Valera to learn about the skills of warfare from the British. No one criticised the Irish people and the struggles but don't talk about choices like some narrow minded prick. I come from fucking Derry and don't need a guided tour of Irish history off of you or any other prick.
I stand by what I said. Fucking Derry you are from you say, where's that? Judging by your rhetoric it's a wonder you didn't put the English capital in front of it instead. You don't know me well enough to to call me a prick and certainly wouldn't say it to my face. The offer still stands though, I can show you proper hardship for innocent people who had no choice in what happened to them. Maybe you wanted the Brits here, we didn't!
 
"Proper Hardship" - are you from London ya prick? I am calling you a prick because you are a prick - meet you at Celtic Park and tell you why dismissing the deaths of 35000 Irish people. Even the one's in the IRA. All that's missing is a plastic paddy speech....yes your a prick.
 

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