What Message Would You Like to Send to Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board
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TET
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appreciate that
But if im getting blocked for defending some of the best value players managers board then I must be making people irate which leads to hate
I hope your right but I see hate towards Lenny and board
Im the friggin poorest dude on here and the tory bastards at our club would probably have me put down as not economically viable
But feck it, they haven't half made our biscuit tin better off and provided some really awesome highs along the way.
And its not just on hun sites anymore
I agree winter and this season was always going to be like no other with the 10 and covid.
The investment in Barkas and ajeti seem poor choices at the moment, loan signings on duffy and moi where more wasted money. Not cashing in on ntcham was another mistake when we had bought Turnbull, never made sence to me.
Of course we are wanting to make someone accountable for these decisions and PL traitor will always be first in the firing line as things stand
Winter
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Personally I don't want PL sacked , also I'm flabbergasted that he is the highest paid CEO in British football. That is something that I cannot get my head around. I firmly believe that we could have a 'just as good CEO ' so to speak who could deliver the same if not better results than PL. Of course I'm no expert but I am sorely and acutely aware that under his leadership we have failed dismally to clubs in Europe with less than half our budget and those clubs CEOs could only wish for the wages PL has. So what makes him so special I ask myself? Nothing that comes to my mind. We are one of the worlds most successful football clubs and yet consistently fail to reach the heights we should be. Still PL gets his huge wage and bonuses anyway and in my mind that cant be right. If we qualify for the CL group stages great give the CEO his bonus, if not then cut it by so many percentage . Reach the last 16 of the Europa league then a smaller bonus ( we should really be reaching that stage anyway ) every season unless we run into a juventus side who were dropped out of the CL . I suppose it's all relevant but football is a results business and frankly results in Europe, even when we were completely dominant domestically have been disappointing and thats putting it mildly. One result against a big 5 league club per season is not enough for a club with the stature of Celtic. We all remember that we beat Leipzig, lille, drew with man city h&a but those results mean nothing if we dont progress and we are not progressing
TET
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im quite happy for him to be sacked
its the hearsay and slander about the dude I find nasty
Might well be better plan but anybody I ever asked to explain it usually says
not my job
just do it
easy
imo he has supplied good enough players who for a number of reasons dont do well against decent counter unit of other nation champions
ive explained why I think that is
but most discount fact our domestic competition is pretty dire and although we should be winning with our players imo
on those one off cup matches our system fails
and our system failures get landed on weakest players when in fact it was really system failure more than individuals
sometimes individuals are to blame
but that particular individual is usually better paid more solid player than his opposite number in team who beat us
I wouldn't want a single Sparta Prague player despite getting dubbed twice
Why they are counter team and counter players like brattbakk dont fit our style very well
but they still beat us 4 1 twice
Most of them points are valid but more so of lenny as a manager who PL continues to back.
When you get paid the sort of money PL gets and not delivering then the knifes will be out, just goes with the terrority, the longer it continues the worse it will get.
I believe we have lost confidence in PL and lenny as regards bringing the club forward and getting us back to where we want to be and becoming competitive again within Europe
Winter
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I think there's a few stories going on here that's being merged into 1 by default , mistake or just plain accountability. Of course this is my opinion and not facts (just in case). Firstly is Peter Lawell a good CEO? Well imo he is, the financial state Celtic football club are in has never been better (covid19 situation aside) even still the club posted something like 100k profit I believe ( dont quote me pls) whilst almost ever other club including many of the big 5 league clubs have posted losses. In this case I would have to say that he must be doing something right. Second. The club as a football team are underachieving in Europe ( domestically setting world records at the same time) Celtic underachieving in Europe is unacceptable, we could win 20iar as niall j implied on the star the other day but that's not good enough if we dont reach the CL or latter stages of the EL . Celtic arent judged by our domestic dominance but our European record and that's been woefully lacking of late. Thirdly , is this Peter lawells fault? I personally dont think it is. I believe that is where the manager and players come in and they have failed , drastically at that. However there is even a FOURTH angle and that angle is whether or not PL is involved in the targetting of players . This is something that he should not be, I believe. He should only be involved once the scouting networks and management have said we want this player go get. Then it's his responsibility to ensure that we get the players our scouts have recommended and the management concur. If he is more involved than that then this is wrong , for he is no more a football expert than I am a financial wizard. It's this 4th angle that appears to me to be the sticking point . The truth is , for me at least, I don't know if he is interfering with the football side of things, that said Rodgers pretty much made it clear to us all that he was (shved) so was Rodgers lying? No I dont think so, I believe Rodgers on that. This is where it becomes unacceptable. Lawell may be the best CEO in world football but he is NOT employed to be a scout and go off buying players the management team haven't requested. We lost Rodgers (we were always going to granted) because of this interference. How would PL like it if Rodgers came up to his office to check over the books and numbers? Not much I'm guessing. Shved is a talent theres no denying that but it's for the manager to decide which players are required and which players are not. Celtic supporters are not stupid and we know that PL has overstepped his position and that's unacceptable by all means. As a result of this Lawell is being held accountable by our supporters, not for being a bad CEO but for interfering in football matters that he should be leaving to the management team until he is required to step in. Lastly , oh fk it you all know the rest, think I'll write a book , oh I just have , sorry 
TET
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Im quite happy for a new manager and board
I dont like lenny style and I dont like Lawell for many personal reasons
But I rate him as good at risk
But he might well be a rat
Just not a fact
And certainly not based on the shite FF pump out in their campaign of slander.
They want Lenny to stay they dont rate him.
They detest lawell much more. I just hope the slander has no truth in it.
Sorry winter but can't agree on your 4 angles.I think there's a few stories going on here that's being merged into 1 by default , mistake or just plain accountability. Of course this is my opinion and not facts (just in case). Firstly is Peter Lawell a good CEO? Well imo he is, the financial state Celtic football club are in has never been better (covid19 situation aside) even still the club posted something like 100k profit I believe ( dont quote me pls) whilst almost ever other club including many of the big 5 league clubs have posted losses. In this case I would have to say that he must be doing something right. Second. The club as a football team are underachieving in Europe ( domestically setting world records at the same time) Celtic underachieving in Europe is unacceptable, we could win 20iar as niall j implied on the star the other day but that's not good enough if we dont reach the CL or latter stages of the EL . Celtic arent judged by our domestic dominance but our European record and that's been woefully lacking of late. Thirdly , is this Peter lawells fault? I personally dont think it is. I believe that is where the manager and players come in and they have failed , drastically at that. However there is even a FOURTH angle and that angle is whether or not PL is involved in the targetting of players . This is something that he should not be, I believe. He should only be involved once the scouting networks and management have said we want this player go get. Then it's his responsibility to ensure that we get the players our scouts have recommended and the management concur. If he is more involved than that then this is wrong , for he is no more a football expert than I am a financial wizard. It's this 4th angle that appears to me to be the sticking point . The truth is , for me at least, I don't know if he is interfering with the football side of things, that said Rodgers pretty much made it clear to us all that he was (shved) so was Rodgers lying? No I dont think so, I believe Rodgers on that. This is where it becomes unacceptable. Lawell may be the best CEO in world football but he is NOT employed to be a scout and go off buying players the management team haven't requested. We lost Rodgers (we were always going to granted) because of this interference. How would PL like it if Rodgers came up to his office to check over the books and numbers? Not much I'm guessing. Shved is a talent theres no denying that but it's for the manager to decide which players are required and which players are not. Celtic supporters are not stupid and we know that PL has overstepped his position and that's unacceptable by all means. As a result of this Lawell is being held accountable by our supporters, not for being a bad CEO but for interfering in football matters that he should be leaving to the management team until he is required to step in. Lastly , oh fk it you all know the rest, think I'll write a book , oh I just have , sorry
1) Don't think he is a good ceo for the money that has unnecessarily been squandered.
2) No question to answer as on the European front we have been fairly embarrassing especially in CL
3) Has hardly helped matters at how slow its constantly taken for him to get deals done, that has cost us dearly. Even now when a CB is desperatly needed.
4) We are led to believe he is having far to big of a say on footballing matters for which he is not qualified to do so whatsoever. Still believe his interference has nothing but a negative affect upon the manager, which could be classed as undermining him.
But the real angle you never mentioned winter, was whatever his involvement in keeping the scum alive has been masked over with the domestic dominace, that has finished now so any cover ups and lies are coming back to bite big time now.
In simple terms can we trust a man we don't trust?
I can't do it any longer.
Winter
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Nothing to be sorry about john its only opinions all good
and I would agree with most of that, anyway the money squandered part, why has he squandered it id have to ask myself, and that's another problem. Was the money squandered because he bought players the scouts and management team asked for or did he personally pick the players? I think that the majority of money spent wouldve been on the recommendations of the scouting network and manager wanting player(s) x, y&z but theres no denying that Rodgers didn't ask for shved (which must've been a bit of a head fook for the young bhoy and might be the reason behind his bad attitude weve been reading about) if I had to guess then I'd guess that the scouting network provided info on shved being the next big thing from Ukraine and perhaps he thought it too good an opportunity to pass up ( conjecture of course) when I say a good CEO I'm talking about his financial acumen , keeping Celtic in the black , getting good money for players sold like KT (good money in SPL terms) . I agree that deals have taken too long to complete or haven't been completedat all , we are all only well too aware of that. Yes , we are led to believe that hes having too much to do with the footballing side. The real angle as you put it I left out as I didnt feel the need to write it , hence the 'you know the rest' . Also something I didnt mention is Peter Lawell is an employee who works for DD. Due to the lack of transparency at the club which is truly shocking btw, we are none the wiser on your last point there. Are we to believe that it's just lawell? I doubt that , I would have to think DD is in the know about everything and PL carrys out his instructions. So in that possible scenario it may well be DD we have to blame for keeping the zombies around. When I think about it that way I think it is DD with PL as his go-do man. DD is a very rich man , and what do very rich men want? More money of course. In DDs head I could see him wanting to keep the zombies around for the money that fixture alone will bring him personally. 4games a season v sevco is probably worth more than playing the rest of the league put together in terms of the tv rights to that game being sold all over the world to countless countries , everyone worldwide wants to see that game and DD will be making a packet from it regardless of whether we win lose or draw. He is the man at the top, perhaps PL is getting the stick that really ought to be directed at DD? Of course I'm speculating but that does make sense to me as much as it repulses me. The lack of transparency and communication between the board and supporters is shockingly bewildering, possibly the worst at any club . Lastly I'm in no way, shape or form defending Peter lawell just putting out a poser or two.
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Winter
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What can we do about it though? He will be there until either DD relieves him from his position (dont see that happening any time soon) or lawell himself decides to move on (much more likely). When that happens we will see if he was good or not by judging his performance against his replacement.
Lubos left peg
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Again you come to me with the sack the board and lennon comment that I haven't even suggested. I've only suggested we invest in a better scouting set up. And I haven't said it will be simple to get better players to come either. But you seem completely write it off. You don't know how easy or hard it would be. You can't just say they won't come because of money and things and assume you're right.
Winter
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Seriously TET Rodgers not good enough? Come on mate Rodgers before he sneaked away when we were aw sleeping was the best thing to happen for Celtic in years 7 trophies on the bounce , not so good in Europe granted but I'd put that down to too many players who simply werent good enough . Domestically though he ran absolute riot and gave us the invincible season as well look at what hes doing with better players now
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ReallyDeliveroo can get me a sausage roll fae Gregg's if I canny be arsed walking roon the corner but that's got f all tae dae wi anything
That’s breakfast sorted then
In amongst this thread was a golden nugget
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if he could do what he did without ratcheting up the wages to unsustainable levels then he would been good for celtic
he couldn't therefore he wasn't good manager
good coach
but the higher wages meant he was gonna kill club unless it was checked
good coaches dont come cheap usually and his signings were not good value even if they were best in scotland at time.
if you cant cut your cloth then your not a good manager and he cant work in constrained market conditions
He signed no-one other than dembele which was market anomaly, he signed no-one who added value to club even if they were decent players.
Not good enough
He was bad for club
very very bad
good for the people who think money grows on trees
But money doesnt grow on trees
And unless you have a money tree like Leicester have he is totally overrated manager
good coach
one of the worst managers at signing players who add value both on/off the pitch
TET
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