What Message Would You Like to Send to Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board

John nó said:
Sorry TET but as much as I appreciate your views and opinions there is far too much negativity surrounding them.
When opinions or views are expressed you will bombard them with untold questions and far to much conspiracy theories as to why they can't or wouldn't work, and yet no answers to solving the problems within the club that is so close to our heart.
Of course none of us are in a position to make these decisions regarding the future of the club and yet we have no voice whatsoever in which direction the club are currently heading when so many things are wrong to fulfill the success we crave within the European competitions, dominating the Scottish competitions is great for our history but we will hold all the records for domestic honours in a few years time regardless of serco, newco or oldco or whatever title you give them scum bastards.
We all long to getting back to been a challenge in Europe and this current set up of PL and lenny, imo will not be possible all the time they have control of the footballing side of the club, the side that means the most to the supporters.
So how can we expect change all the while we have no say in the decision process?
I do believe strongly that the business plan of our club, especially this season of all seasons has been about the survival of the scum more so than our dreams of the 10, hence the anger within the support.
That as a business plan was never going to be accepted by our support and as far as many of us are concerned people have to be held accountable as it is seen as an act of tresion for which the biggest scapegoat will be PL and for one he will always be possibly be remembered for.
As a club i struggle to see how we can move forward with PL pulling the strings and the shortcomings of lenny as a manager and a backroom staff who seem to be very limited in delivering the success we crave within Europe.
Of course a much business plan is desperately needed imo, and I do believe a proper director of football is needed along with a more modern manager who can prepare our team far better out on the training pitch along with good coaching staff has become essential now.
I also believe a director of football can operate with as a guess a 50m budget per season allowing to cover wages.
We already have at least that budget available with the sales of the want away players.
This in turn would reduce the wage bill and along with the overpaid loan signings who have been a disaster and bought no value for money and at a guess much discontent within the changing room.
Lennys biggest shortfall has been his reluctance of giving youth a chance over experience. We have seen this in the signings of Ajeti and Barkas as just having international experience does not mean that you have the right temperment to cut it at Celtic or even in Scottish football.
We still have currently great young 1st team players who will possibly move on to bigger incomes in time as you are right we can't compete with the money on offer down but then for so many of them just staying in the EPL is success where for us been involved in European competition and a guarantee of been involved in domestic honours in front of the best supporters in world football. I do believe that the right director of football can make us an easy sell in order to further there careers.
We also have to sustain a level of stability in regards not every player has to be looked upon as having a sell on value as there are many players available who making a move to celtic would be there biggest career move and these players need to be identified better within our scouting network again overseen by director of football.
We are blessed to still have much great potential young players available for which can be integrated into the 1st team set up and with far better coaching and opportunities given will always keep the conveyer belt moving in potential players sales, we already have possibilitiey 50m plus on frimps, Turnbull and Soro as of current.
We can't ignore the conveyer belt of young talent as this is such a lifeline to the club when you can't compete with the money on offer down south.
I still believe PL has not fought for the right of us having a 2nd team available playing at championship level as they are more than good enough to hold there own. I do believe it may be a role Scott brown could fill as any bullying some of these hammer throwers want to dish out would they be as brave with less cameras around and a tunnel to see how brave the bully was?
Are we entitled to have a second team available in Scotland? Of course we are as we have produced more players with celtic connections than any other and will always remain so for the foreseeable future and give a much needed financial aid to lower clubs, and better development opportunities for our younger players and with only a gate of maybe 5 to 10k would pay for itself with a potential profit.
I am disappointed in PL for not looking into this venture and persuing it at all as it seems a no brainer to me.
Although I am glad the foundations of the club are still in place just now, and will give credit to PL and lenny in doing so, I also believe that the pair of them are not capable of building on the foundations that are in place.
So TET these are only my own personal opinions but before you bombard we with untold questions about why you don't think that they are possible and maybe your own opinions on solutions would be more welcome than that of conspiracy around secret tax havens and accounts for which many of us have no interest in whatever.
Sorry for such a long post as far to many questions asked without a chance to debate
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14 word rul....

Ah fuck it

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TET said:
no interest in whatever

thats the crux

its just better players you want

but the obstacles in the path are of no interest

just get it done

how?

just change the board and fix it?

how?

just fix it?

but money is the problem

no interest in money just want it fixed

Well avoiding the money side of it, unless of course its to highlight revenues only is part of the problem

in fact it seems to be the default position of ordinary fans
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We obviously have some sort of scouting network. But we have wasted millions on the signing of duds....so in the long run would it not be better to spend a bit more in this department to save us millions in lost cash from signings like Bayo?? Or should we just keep doing what we are doing. What is it you don't like about my question to Pete?? Are you happy with our scouting set up??
 
TET said:
ok

sounds great

but those terms suggest he might be worth taking massive gambles and ratcheting up debts

cause he would get his money back anyway

But he doesnt

so when celtic make bumper returns he gets 3.8 percent either way


So no real incentive to horde the cash either


but if he loves celtic

he will be hiring the best net present value investors he can find.

NPV

what's that

its a risk metric to decide if an investment is a risk worth taking

does it cost more than it returns

And over his tenure Lawell has been brilliant NPV analyst

despite his many flaws and I detest his face when I see it, he makes good NPV calls

football market is in bubble mode.

So really most investments are instantly npv negative.

but if bubble continues you can get your money back when next dude pays over the odds in hope bubble continues


but like the famous bubbles in past

when they burst and they always do the people in control of bursting bubble all get off the bubble just in time and everybody else collapses.


Now these are just tip of iceberg hidden problems but they are very very real.
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We seem to be jumping all over the place, but that’s ok. Let me continue to share my thoughts with you.

When Dermot Desmond bought in to Celtic, I believe he could see the day when we would leave Scottish Football for greener pastures. (No pun intended)

I’m of the view he thought there could be an opening for us in a more financially rewarding league, initially, quite possibly in England, or even a European league of some description.

If that day comes along the Celtic share value will imo rise sharply which will allow the major share holders to make a significant profit. In the meantime preference share holders have the opportunity to make a 3.6 pence dividend on their shareholding (not a 3.8% return)

In essence, a decent return is being made by these preference shareholders, especially with interest rates being currently so low.

No doubt a reason why hedge funds have bought a significant amount of shares in the Club. A reasonable return along the way for them and the major shareholders, with the opportunity to make a significant profit at a later date.

As we all know, Peter Lawwell is actively involved on an important UEFA steering committee and so has his finger on the pulse there. And as we all know our Board will not do anything to upset UEFA as the Green Brigade will testify to. I digress.

I have little doubt we shall see European leagues of some form in the not to distant future and Peter Lawwell is aware of this. It has to happen in my view as there are too many well supported teams struggling throughout Europe and something needs to be done to remedy this.

At Celtic, Peter Lawwell has been tasked by Dermot Desmond imo to protect the investment of the major shareholders. To date he has been quite successful in doing this, although many would argue his involvement as a de facto Director of Football has had a detrimental effect on the playing side of the Club.

It is apparent to me our business plan revolves around ensuring the above financial strategy remains in situ and if we have to sell a player or 3 then that is what will happen. Our Board is also I believe of the view that we need a competitive challenger. That one is going to bite us big time.

When Peter Lawwell stated recently “it was not in the interests of the company” to pursue Resolution 12, what I believe he should have said was, and this imo would have been more accurate was, “it is not in the interests of the majority shareholders to pursue this resolution” for the reasons given previously.

That’s why, again in my view, the Celtic Board has turned a blind eye to the fraud and cheating and corruption we all know took place and is on the public record, in relation to the Huns and their acolytes.

It’s shameful imo and it’s all about the money...

PS - NPV, Moneyball, Risk Assessment, Cash Inflows, Bursting Financial Bubbles.....Where to next? 😀
 
If the thread was "Tell Peter Lawwell how to do his job" I promise, TET, I would have stayed out of it. But I just thought, as it's a forum for fans, and not professional scouts and directors of football, that I'd maybe suggest we do a bit better on the scouting side of things.
 
Lubos left peg said:
I never said I'd sack Taylor. I never said taylor was shite. Not like you TET to put words in my mouth. I'm saying there are better players out there. I'm saying if we had a better scouting system we may find them. We don't seem to have a good scouting system. I say that because we have signed a lot of shite. Having better scouts would maybe prevent, not completely stop, but prevent that from happening. Not really sure why you feel the need to make a point in the constant questioning of people questions to be honest. The thread is asking fans what they message we would sent to Peter not what solutions we have for him. Its his job to run Celtic the best way possible. I'd ask him does he believe our scouting set up is as good as it could be. I'm not a scout. If he asked me what I would do better I'd tell him I'm not a director of a football club, nor am I a scout.
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That is the key thing here. We are passionate fans with opinions. But not necessarily the most all-consuming working business plans for getting the best for Celtic from our resources. You kind of hope that the highest paid CEO in British football would have a better plan than the one he has been pursuing for the last couple of years and has now resulted in this pathetic season we have had to endure so far. And before I get asked, it isn't my job to find a suitable replacement that will do better than Lawwell - I'll leave that to the billionaires and millionaires who have very well financially rewarded every month to make these decisions. Maybe if they spent less time back slapping and arse kissing in the boardroom and a bit more time running our club - and less money on each other and more investing in scouting & developing then we might be better off now.

Everyone knows that we cannot compete financially with the EPL and even most of the English Championship sides - but we surely can do better than the many European teams who have beaten (and even humiliated us) over the last few recent seasons despite them having lower playing budgets than us!
 
Imatim said:
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We seem to be jumping all over the place, but that’s ok. Let me continue to share my thoughts with you.

When Dermot Desmond bought in to Celtic, I believe he could see the day when we would leave Scottish Football for greener pastures. (No pun intended)

I’m of the view he thought there could be an opening for us in a more financially rewarding league, initially, quite possibly in England, or even a European league of some description.

If that day comes along the Celtic share value will imo rise sharply which will allow the major share holders to make a significant profit. In the meantime preference share holders have the opportunity to make a 3.6 pence dividend on their shareholding (not a 3.8% return)

In essence, a decent return is being made by these preference shareholders, especially with interest rates being currently so low.

No doubt a reason why hedge funds have bought a significant amount of shares in the Club. A reasonable return along the way for them and the major shareholders, with the opportunity to make a significant profit at a later date.

As we all know, Peter Lawwell is actively involved on an important UEFA steering committee and so has his finger on the pulse there. And as we all know our Board will not do anything to upset UEFA as the Green Brigade will testify to. I digress.

I have little doubt we shall see European leagues of some form in the not to distant future and Peter Lawwell is aware of this. It has to happen in my view as there are too many well supported teams struggling throughout Europe and something needs to be done to remedy this.

At Celtic, Peter Lawwell has been tasked by Dermot Desmond imo to protect the investment of the major shareholders. To date he has been quite successful in doing this, although many would argue his involvement as a de facto Director of Football has had a detrimental effect on the playing side of the Club.

It is apparent to me our business plan revolves around ensuring the above financial strategy remains in situ and if we have to sell a player or 3 then that is what will happen. Our Board is also I believe of the view that we need a competitive challenger. That one is going to bite us big time.

When Peter Lawwell stated recently “it was not in the interests of the company” to pursue Resolution 12, what I believe he should have said was, and this imo would have been more accurate was, “it is not in the interests of the majority shareholders to pursue this resolution” for the reasons given previously.

That’s why, again in my view, the Celtic Board has turned a blind eye to the fraud and cheating and corruption we all know took place and is on the public record, in relation to the Huns and their acolytes.

It’s shameful imo and it’s all about the money...

PS - NPV, Moneyball, Risk Assessment, Cash Inflows, Bursting Financial Bubbles.....Where to next? 😀
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If their plan is sound financial business

What is the better plan?


If sevco are booted out of game.

What does that add to celtic?

Does it make Scotland a better place to live?

Does it encourage better standard of football?

Will it increase crowds at Celtic with no sevco?

Will it make Celtic better in europe?

All reasons Celtic have a good team on park are related to past NPV

If you are going to throw risk assessment out the window and portray only a football world were celtic win everything with best players in world all playing for love of club then its you who are detached from the reality of sporting side.

business and sport in professional game go hand in hand

thats why sevco are not rangers

the club is not distinct from company


All your conjecture on what it really means imo

is not a good enough reason to join the trust imo



You want better coaches
better players
better sustainability
better win rates

and forget about risk assesments

Its my belief that the trust are not to be trusted simply because they are totally conflicted in every key area that they claim they want changed for better.

None of the changes for better can happen imo

without increased revenues

You think think think but put it forward as pretty much fact

I dont like lawell but I cant see a better risk manager availiable

You avoid the gulf in revenues that prevent celtic from competing for celtic class players of old

But you say risk assessment is not important

trust the trust

a bunch of wealthy dudes who want to do ???????

maybe its the trust who want to have the potential returns that DD will be getting


Perhaps its them that are the real rats with their conjecture and misinformation and twisted narrative with pied piper flute tunes?


there are. millions of conjecture


but you dont want to talk about finance unless it suits your narrative and its usually slanted so craftily that you can always say I didn't actually say that

thats conjecture of my intentions

which is exactly the gripe you claim you have wit board

I see no better plan in the trust

none

I dont see a plan

I just see want and deliberate obfuscation and pleading ignorance


but here's some hearsay in the meantime
 
Bridie Bhoy said:
That is the key thing here. We are passionate fans with opinions. But not necessarily the most all-consuming working business plans for getting the best for Celtic from our resources. You kind of hope that the highest paid CEO in British football would have a better plan than the one he has been pursuing for the last couple of years and has now resulted in this pathetic season we have had to endure so far. And before I get asked, it isn't my job to find a suitable replacement that will do better than Lawwell - I'll leave that to the billionaires and millionaires who have very well financially rewarded every month to make these decisions. Maybe if they spent less time back slapping and arse kissing in the boardroom and a bit more time running our club - and less money on each other and more investing in scouting & developing then we might be better off now.

Everyone knows that we cannot compete financially with the EPL and even most of the English Championship sides - but we surely can do better than the many European teams who have beaten (and even humiliated us) over the last few recent seasons despite them having lower playing budgets than us!
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Perhaps his plan is the best plan available

even if its unpopular?
 
TET said:
no interest in whatever

thats the crux

its just better players you want

but the obstacles in the path are of no interest

just get it done

how?

just change the board and fix it?

how?

just fix it?

but money is the problem

no interest in money just want it fixed

Well avoiding the money side of it, unless of course its to highlight revenues only is part of the problem

in fact it seems to be the default position of ordinary fans
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Sorry tet can't agree.
Have we got a budget to get better reward within Europe?
Yes imo
Has our budget on players and wages been spent wisely over the last few years?
No in my opinion even though we have had some great success in sell on value
Are we compertent enough tactically to compete in Europe at present?
No and can't and won't improve until a manager with a much better tactical and game management is installed.
Will we remain fairly stagnant all the time PL remains in charge?
I believe so as he is not capable of delivering what our supporters are demanding.
Would we like to see change?
I would say that the majority of our support would say yes
How can we get PL out to bring that change about?
I wish I knew
 
TET said:
If their plan is sound financial business

What is the better plan?


If sevco are booted out of game.

What does that add to celtic?

Does it make Scotland a better place to live?

Does it encourage better standard of football?

Will it increase crowds at Celtic with no sevco?

Will it make Celtic better in europe?

All reasons Celtic have a good team on park are related to past NPV

If you are going to throw risk assessment out the window and portray only a football world were celtic win everything with best players in world all playing for love of club then its you who are detached from the reality of sporting side.

business and sport in professional game go hand in hand

thats why sevco are not rangers

the club is not distinct from company


All your conjecture on what it really means imo

is not a good enough reason to join the trust imo



You want better coaches
better players
better sustainability
better win rates

and forget about risk assesments

Its my belief that the trust are not to be trusted simply because they are totally conflicted in every key area that they claim they want changed for better.

None of the changes for better can happen imo

without increased revenues

You think think think but put it forward as pretty much fact

I dont like lawell but I cant see a better risk manager availiable

You avoid the gulf in revenues that prevent celtic from competing for celtic class players of old

But you say risk assessment is not important

trust the trust

a bunch of wealthy dudes who want to do ???????

maybe its the trust who want to have the potential returns that DD will be getting


Perhaps its them that are the real rats with their conjecture and misinformation and twisted narrative with pied piper flute tunes?


there are. millions of conjecture


but you dont want to talk about finance unless it suits your narrative and its usually slanted so craftily that you can always say I didn't actually say that

thats conjecture of my intentions

which is exactly the gripe you claim you have wit board

I see no better plan in the trust

none

I dont see a plan

I just see want and deliberate obfuscation and pleading ignorance


but here's some hearsay in the meantime
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You can't question everyone on every point they make and then make a point and add imo and that somehow saves you from having to explain why it's your opinion...why is it your opinion? Why can none of the changes happen??
 
TET said:
If their plan is sound financial business

What is the better plan?


If sevco are booted out of game.

What does that add to celtic?

Does it make Scotland a better place to live?

Does it encourage better standard of football?

Will it increase crowds at Celtic with no sevco?

Will it make Celtic better in europe?

All reasons Celtic have a good team on park are related to past NPV

If you are going to throw risk assessment out the window and portray only a football world were celtic win everything with best players in world all playing for love of club then its you who are detached from the reality of sporting side.

business and sport in professional game go hand in hand

thats why sevco are not rangers

the club is not distinct from company


All your conjecture on what it really means imo

is not a good enough reason to join the trust imo



You want better coaches
better players
better sustainability
better win rates

and forget about risk assesments

Its my belief that the trust are not to be trusted simply because they are totally conflicted in every key area that they claim they want changed for better.

None of the changes for better can happen imo

without increased revenues

You think think think but put it forward as pretty much fact

I dont like lawell but I cant see a better risk manager availiable

You avoid the gulf in revenues that prevent celtic from competing for celtic class players of old

But you say risk assessment is not important

trust the trust

a bunch of wealthy dudes who want to do ???????

maybe its the trust who want to have the potential returns that DD will be getting


Perhaps its them that are the real rats with their conjecture and misinformation and twisted narrative with pied piper flute tunes?


there are. millions of conjecture


but you dont want to talk about finance unless it suits your narrative and its usually slanted so craftily that you can always say I didn't actually say that

thats conjecture of my intentions

which is exactly the gripe you claim you have wit board

I see no better plan in the trust

none

I dont see a plan

I just see want and deliberate obfuscation and pleading ignorance


but here's some hearsay in the meantime
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I’m not following you.....I haven’t mentioned the Trust

Enough for one day methinks. Take it easy TET
 
Lubos left peg said:
You can't question everyone on every point they make and then make a point and add imo and that somehow saves you from having to explain why it's your opinion...why is it your opinion? Why can none of the changes happen??
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What changes?

What is different about their plan?

Why is it better?
 
Lubos left peg said:
He said he didn't mention the trust...same as I didn't say taylor was rubbish. You can't just make things up TET!! 😂😂
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oh very good

its the usual run around

just want want want

ok

I give in

sack the board

and bring in the best manager in world with best scouts and best coaches and every signing a winner and win every game

and no need to worry about risks or money

just do it

its easy
 
TET said:
Perhaps his plan is the best plan available

even if its unpopular?
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And here's the thing. Maybe, just maybe, it is NOT the best plan available.

What kind of CEO (except obviously the highest paid one in his sector in the country) openly boasts that he has ignored an agreement of dubious legality that allowed his biggest competitor to to break the law and rules to steal the trophies off of us (and others) to get off virtually scot-free. I'd say that was gross mismanagement.

What CEO would openly boast that when it came to appointing the operational manager around which his whole business is based on refused to even open CVs from all applicants when there was a vacancy? That decision is bordering on gross mismanagement.

I've been in management for a long time in a very successful company and I appreciate that you make mistakes and sometimes drastic changes happen to your business plans - but it is how you deal with these and build up the business again that shows your truth worth to the company. That can and does mean you have to make unpopular decisions. And you know what - even though you had the best intentions even then they can still be wrong, so they were NOT the best plan.

To my eye, I believe that the arrogance of Lawwell and the rest of the board who are so comfortable in their wee protective cocoon where they are ignorant as to the true feelings of their customers that they are currently blundering the company into a very bad place. Their "customers" will continue to rebel against the board and unfortunately it will not be a pleasant experience for anyone.
 
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