22/23 January Transfer Window.

[Gary67]

If Juranovic is going for £7m then you have to assume there is a release clause in his contract (apparently common amongst Croatians and the reason we got his so cheap from Legia) or we have a verbal agreement with him that he stayed in the summer and play CL, and WC for Croatia, then move on. Either way, good player, slightly disappointed in him if I'm honest, was expecting (maybe unrealistically) more. Was arguably our worst performing player in the CL.
If transfer fee is true then we've replaced him with a younger player at half the money received. Early days but Johnston already looks a better defender, a more natural defender, we've not seen enough to see if he's as good going forward as Juranovic.

 

[POD]

I don't agree. I have no problem with them going. If they are unhappy, let them off. But to accept £7 million for Juranovic is a joke. There are donkeys in EPL squads valued at multiples of this. And presumably it will be on the lower side for Giamakous as well. We are setting ourselves up to be plundered. They will queue up for O'Reilly, Mc Gregor, CV with ridiculously low offers. Why? Because we are seen as a soft touch and will grab any profit that is offered. Who ever agrees this valuation should be run out of Celtic Park. If it is a contract release figure, the same should also happen to the individual who negotiated it.

 

[Miktim]

It’s worrying that the numpty Jones is getting more at Kilmarnock than GG is getting with us

 

[Gary67]

It’s worrying that the numpty Jones is getting more at Kilmarnock than GG is getting with us

Wigan pay the majority, or all, of that. Shows how much money there is in the English lower leagues that League 1 Wigan can pay a bit part player those wages.

 

[Magnificent 7]

I don't agree. I have no problem with them going. If they are unhappy, let them off. But to accept £7 million for Juranovic is a joke. There are donkeys in EPL squads valued at multiples of this. And presumably it will be on the lower side for Giamakous as well. We are setting ourselves up to be plundered. They will queue up for O'Reilly, Mc Gregor, CV with ridiculously low offers. Why? Because we are seen as a soft touch and will grab any profit that is offered. Who ever agrees this valuation should be run out of Celtic Park. If it is a contract release figure, the same should also happen to the individual that negotiated it.

You've got a point POD re valuations EPL squad players etc. This looks like a case of hands tied re whatever was agreed when we bought him re sell on details ...to be fair we plunder other clubs and get some players for a steal as well who go on to be sold for millions more. Its the nature of the market unfortunately dictated by the rich clubs which playing in Scottish football makes it difficult for us to manage.
We get a few wrong from time to time but our record is pretty decent in financial stability of buying and selling.
I think I remember Benfica supporters saying the same about Jota....who imo could be next in the summer along with maybe O'Riley for bigger money transfers.

 

[Gary67]

Sky reporting Celtic have bid £3m for Korean striker Cho. They said the bid went in an hour ago.
Southampton watching Maeda. As if he will swap top of SPL and CL for bottom o the EPL and relegation.

Sky going with Maeda to Southampton again this morning. McFadden on saying he wouldn't be surprised if it happened as Celtic have multiple options in every position.
I suppose when your TV station runs several transfer shows every day during the transfer windows then making sh1t up and running with it until it becomes obvious to everyone that its sh1t is a business model. They basically take nonsense from dodgy twitter/internet sites and report as exclusive news.
Everything to talk up the mighty EPL and promote the idea every player wants to play there. And fill up hours of airtime.

 

[Magnificent 7]

Sky going with Maeda to Southampton again this morning. McFadden on saying he wouldn't be surprised if it happened as Celtic have multiple options in every position.
I suppose when your TV station runs several transfer shows every day during the transfer windows then making sh1t up and running with it until it becomes obvious to everyone that its sh1t is a business model. They basically take nonsense from dodgy twitter/internet sites and report as exclusive news.
Everything to talk up the mighty EPL and promote the idea every player wants to play there. And fill up hours of airtime.

With the exception of Ideguci our Japanese bhoys are going nowhere until or unless Ange San leaves .(God forbid)
Although I have to say the more I see Hatate I think he is top class and he will be on the rich vultures radar very soon.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Juranovic going for 7m will certainly feel a bit off. You can only assume there is some kind of promise here.

On the flip side, if Monza are the only team offering something then it may tell us something else. He is 27, not a young up and comer. If 7m is the cap of what we are being offered just now and have someone else in place (Johnston - 24) who can fill in and potentially also be sold on, it may be best to accept it.

Also note - GG is being linked with Sampdoria today.

 

[Gary67]

If we end up getting between £12m-£15m for JJ & GG then that is decent money for 28 year olds who we signed for a combined £5m and don't want to be there anymore. JJ's re[placement is already in the door at £3.5m and we're trying to sign GG's replacement at £3m. Buying younger replacements and an approx £8m profit. We then need to hope that the replacements are improvements.
I think we'll need to get used to large turnover of squad in each transfer window under Ange. As he says he doesn't get close to the players and he is comfortable with even our best players leaving as he will replace them with players who he hopes will be better.

 

[Winter]

As things stand BB it looks like Jura will be going for less than £10mil. I'll go against the majority on here and say that sounds more accurate to me.
What I will say is it already feels like he is gone and I can't say he will be a massive loss.
There is an argument that losing Giakoumakis is more of a concern. Top goalscorer last season with 24 goals and a physical option we are short on.
Are we replacing him with better quality in Cho if reports are true? Time will tell.
Incidently the sooner this speculation on both is completed the better as it just creates that unsettlement in the squad.
Simply looks like it's about more money for both as leaving a club like Celtic to go to either Monza or Urawa Red Diamonds strikes me as regression from a footballing point of view. All be it GG will be going to be the number one striker.

Get both gone as soon as possible as this is now dragging on and can only lead to disruption.

Losing Giakoumakis is the bigger concern no question.
That's down to the signing of Johnson and Ralstons emergence.

We havent used Giakoumakis to his full potential imo and I can see why hes unhappy with that.

How much more money hes wanting to stay I've no idea but I'd doubt it's a huge amount.
If it's an amount that would put him on a par with some of our higher earners and the club wont meet him there I'm confused about that since hes shown that he can deliver and another striker like Cho will have to start from scratch.

Kyogo is an enigma , one of those strikers who is rarely in the game but always seems to come away with a goal just when everyone is screaming for Ange to hook him.

I'll be disappointed to lose Giakoumakis personally because hes delivered, he offers everything Kyogo doesnt, physicality, combativeness and scores the scrappy goals when we need them.

I'd be more concerned about losing juranovic had we not signed Johnson and Ralston wasnt playing to the very high standard he is.

The fact the MSM are reporting that Monza , recently promoted to Serie A are favourites to sign him for around €8 million says a lot in itself.
€8 million may not seem a lot but it still represents good business for the club.

Why the club would rather sign Cho for around £3 million than retain Giakoumakis for 5 grand a week more has surely more to do with the Celtic brand rather than the financial position?
I'll be sorry to see him leave hes been a great servant despite his limited game time.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Why the club would rather sign Cho for around £3 million than retain Giakoumakis for 5 grand a week more has surely more to do with the Celtic brand rather than the financial position?

In what way? I don't think we're signing asian based players for the sake of the brand - If that is what it is leaning towards.

I rate GG and would love it if he stays, however, he's clearly not the number one choice for Ange (Rightly or wrongly) and has every right to be upset with that.

On our end, he isn't an up and comer so selling again in this situation probably makes more sense. If he isn't going to be a regular starter, we can bring in someone younger with potentially higher sell on value going forward then I can understand why we would let him leave.

 

[Winter]

In what way? I don't think we're signing asian based players for the sake of the brand - If that is what it is leaning towards.

I rate GG and would love it if he stays, however, he's clearly not the number one choice for Ange (Rightly or wrongly) and has every right to be upset with that.

On our end, he isn't an up and comer so selling again in this situation probably makes more sense. If he isn't going to be a regular starter, we can bring in someone younger with potentially higher sell on value going forward then I can understand why we would let him leave.

I think that we have been consolidating the Celtic brand in Asia for many years now TGO.
Since the days of naka weve been in and out of that market many times and I could see a tour much like the Sydney Cup in the not too distant future, and that would make sense, given the interest in Celtic now in Japan especially but South Korea as well.

Celtic will survive just fine without Giakoumakis but it's still disappointing to see him leave so soon after hes been a successful signing, we'd all recognise that I'm sure.

Carter - Vickers on the other hand is the player I worry most about losing, hes been immense and as good as any defender in the hoops I can remember for a long time, include VVD in that I think hes that good.

 

[The Shamrock]

There will always be a ceiling price for players from the SPL but some of the transfer fees being bandied about seem ridiculous albeit we will still make a profit. There will have to be an awful lot of scouting going on to maintain success in a model that sees us shift players on after just a couple of seasons.

Note to self; don't fall in love with any of our players!

 

[POD]

I think that we have been consolidating the Celtic brand in Asia for many years now TGO.
Since the days of naka weve been in and out of that market many times and I could see a tour much like the Sydney Cup in the not too distant future, and that would make sense, given the interest in Celtic now in Japan especially but South Korea as well.

Celtic will survive just fine without Giakoumakis but it's still disappointing to see him leave so soon after hes been a successful signing, we'd all recognise that I'm sure.

Carter - Vickers on the other hand is the player I worry most about losing, hes been immense and as good as any defender in the hoops I can remember for a long time, include VVD in that I think hes that good.

Agree Winter. The two irreplaceable players for me are Mc Gregor and CV.

 

[TheGreatOne]

I think that we have been consolidating the Celtic brand in Asia for many years now TGO.
Since the days of naka weve been in and out of that market many times and I could see a tour much like the Sydney Cup in the not too distant future, and that would make sense, given the interest in Celtic now in Japan especially but South Korea as well.

Celtic will survive just fine without Giakoumakis but it's still disappointing to see him leave so soon after hes been a successful signing, we'd all recognise that I'm sure.

Carter - Vickers on the other hand is the player I worry most about losing, hes been immense and as good as any defender in the hoops I can remember for a long time, include VVD in that I think hes that good.

I get where you are coming from - Although, I feel the further exposure in this market and any tour etc. that may come from it is just a benefit of the knowledge that Ange has brought from the region (and signings) - rather than bringing them in FOR the brand, if that makes sense.

From my end, I'd love to keep GG - I think I am just trying to understand the logic of it as it seems to be happening as we may need to get used to it.

CCV is one who is likely to go eventually and one that certainly would have to leave for a lot more - He is strolling it up here akin to VVD, one we would struggle to replace with similar quality at a lower price.

 

[Winter]

Agree Winter. The two irreplaceable players for me are Mc Gregor and CV.

Calmac is of course just as important to us as CCV though I dont worry about losing him so much , perhaps wrongly in that hes the main man at Celtic, come through the ranks to captain the club and I think our highest earner.

Of course should a life changing move present itself for calmac theres no guarantee he will stay, he has family to look after as well and the games a profession after all.

Carter-Vickers though, given the amount we paid for him and how good he is along with his age, then I'd be hoping that should he leave for a return to the EPL he would become the next record sale from Scottish football breaking the £25 million mark of KT

 

[Winter]

On a different note ( one I hope I'm wrong about ) , we appeared to be operating on a somewhat higher level and standard of player when Ange arrived and I get that was 100% necessary.

My concern is that since Peter Lawell has returned to official capacity we are back in the £2- £4 million bargain transfers of pre-Ange. ( really hope that's just coincidental and nothing more) .

 

[POD]

On a different note ( one I hope I'm wrong about ) , we appeared to be operating on a somewhat higher level and standard of player when Ange arrived and I get that was 100% necessary.

My concern is that since Peter Lawell has returned to official capacity we are back in the £2- £4 million bargain transfers of pre-Ange. ( really hope that's just coincidental and nothing more) .

It will soon become apparent if he is up to his old parsimonious shenanigans and arrogant meddling, Winter. Ange and the feel good factor, together with the team he is building will be gone in a blink.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Calmac is of course just as important to us as CCV though I dont worry about losing him so much , perhaps wrongly in that hes the main man at Celtic, come through the ranks to captain the club and I think our highest earner.

Of course should a life changing move present itself for calmac theres no guarantee he will stay, he has family to look after as well and the games a profession after all.

Carter-Vickers though, given the amount we paid for him and how good he is along with his age, then I'd be hoping that should he leave for a return to the EPL he would become the next record sale from Scottish football breaking the £25 million mark of KT

I get the sentiment but is that really the case?

The only two players we've spent over the noted value for have been Jota & CCV. Both exceptional players and on a loan to buy deal first.

Every other transfer Ange has made has been within that 2-4m bracket regardless of who's in charge (or just over, around 4.5 for Kyogo I think?)

the 2-4m mark is usually our main budget area - We do go outside it, even when PL is there if you think of Eddy (9m), Julien (7m) but the mainstay of our squad tend to be much lower in value.

 

[Winter]

I get the sentiment but is that really the case?

The only two players we've spent over the noted value for have been Jota & CCV. Both exceptional players and on a loan to buy deal first.

Every other transfer Ange has made has been within that 2-4m bracket regardless of who's in charge (or just over, around 4.5 for Kyogo I think?)

the 2-4m mark is usually our main budget area - We do go outside it, even when PL is there if you think of Eddy (9m), Julien (7m) but the mainstay of our squad tend to be much lower in value.

Well i hope that is the case , as POD said we'll soon find out.

Could just be that we had no choice but to spend a bit more than the norm to build a team from scratch practically.

And what a side Ange is building, exciting and dynamic.
That we play with the one striker normally is always going to mean theres a Giakoumakis type player who's unhappy at his lack of involvement.

Hopefully this player will be as good as Giakoumakis and has the same impact.