Green brigade songbook
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All three, I suspect.
International opinion/support was of vital importance, always has been in cases of Irish rebellion.
Although, I doubt it would be 'internationalist' in modern day terms.
Theverdict
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Big deal. A horrendous character from 200 years ago informs your current thinking? That sums up too much thinking. Live in the past, revel in past injustices and use them as a wedge between trying to leave them behind.
With that kind of thinking we would still hate Germans, Japanese and anybody we fought or who committed war crimes against humanity, regardless of which religion they are.
Religion and how it politicised people is one of the main causes of continuing strife. All over a whole load of man made up shit in every instance.
We need to do our bit to move on and singing the BBB is a pathetic clinging to old scores imo. They don’t inspire the team, they cause people to look and ask donyou really want another bloodbath in Ireland? The IRA themselves want peace now, why the fuck are we singing we want to fill an empty holster?
Pathetic tokenism. I watched a number of Republican marches in YouTube and you could have got every person inside a large lorry. That tells me how much people care. Sad state of affairs that people think their political views should trump the clubs wishes when hardly any of the vocal rebs at the games bother their arse to turn out when it matters.
Hahaha you obviously have an inflated sense of yourself. Don't be so pompous don't assume you know or understand what people are thinking. On reflection I will continue to read your posts there is the amusement factor I suppose. "Pathetic tokenism" really??????
Theverdict
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Absolutely do think that. Got eff all to do with Celtic. Embarrassing listening to them one after the other at away games.
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Maria
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Aye but statements like wellingtons are open to ambiguity.
I prefer colours nailed to the mast.
I much prefer the direct approach. Haha
You can catch more bears with honey rather than vinegarAye but statements like wellingtons are open to ambiguity.
I prefer colours nailed to the mast.
I much prefer the direct approach. Haha
The Deadner
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So by that logic of leaving old scores behind, would indicate to me that if we do that, then why not draw a line through all history and forget everything that has ever happened or been taught in schools. To me that's nonsense. Why should we forget about what happened in the recent past or distant past? It's what has shaped us as a people. It's why we can't help ourselves but to stand up for the oppressed regardless of race colour or creed. This debate has turned to mush at this stage with a lot of repetitive shite been repeated again and again. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. The green brigade won't change and people giving there tuppence worth on a forum won't make a blind button a difference to them. For me, I hope they never change.
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Maria
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Yeah well ive caught a few with honey and vinegar but just picked up stalkers wanting to pick out the carpets and curtains ???
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Maria
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TGM said that exact term only last week.
Are you TGM, i sincerely hope we’re not going to get a multicoloured coat of alias’s
Not the village idiot, not quite
TET
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It interests me that you think Wellington was a horrendous character (need to know some history to make that judgement) and its not so easy to move on when you know history.
You suggest all religion is man made. That in itself is very volatile statement. Much more aggressive than singing BBB. It also has undertones of rebellion of a different kind. For in my opinion no law will ever be relevant or enforceable if all humanity sprung from animals. You also allude that BBB makes people want to have a physical fight that ends in bloodshed. Cant see why you would even think that ever?
We need to do our bit to move on? A song about ethical resistance to oppression should be binned for the need to move on. I would suggest getting back to virtue theory and confronting all unresolved injustices would be better way to move on and end injustice.
The BBB is ahistorical song relevant to the time it was made about real injustice and hypocrisy. Now i realise that many who sing the song may not fully be aware of the full history. But moving on when that very injustice and hypocrisy is still prevalent in modern world, maybe even be now worse since its now clandestine, will not aid the moving on process.
Holster empty are a sign that they are not needed. In a world where political power and the clandestine agendas of clear injustice are promoted the only way known to man historically to fight against unjust armed oppressors is prayer or violence. Neither of which you believe is righteous since you don't believe in virtue. Which was the gift of God taught on the sermon on the mount.
I dont condone holding a gun but I do understand why it may be necessary to hold unjust power to account. And i for one under extreme duress would quite possibly be forced to take up arms to fight for truth. Now you may take the Pilate position and say what is truth when you stand eyeball to eyeball with the man who claims he is the way the truth and the life. But if someone with your confused opinions get power I might need to stand up for my reasoned truth against your clandestine power grab. Stalin who trained to be a priest became your move on for mankind commander. He killed more men than anyone i can think of for the benefit of moving on. Probably need that holster and gun back together just incase The stalin world view gets the nod again. No free press. No free anything, All comrades unless you have proper understanding of love. And sometimes a gun is needed to stand up for love.
Now you will probably say I've gone off on one with nonsense. Thats my right based on my study of religions and history. And i can assure you your opinion is not new, its not modern and it it doesn't lead to moving on for the good of mankind. Its the same dialogue used by all megalomaniacs just before they seize power and enforce their kind of truth.
I would suggest your opinion on this matter is really just tokenism as you put it. Now if people don't want to sing broad black trimmer. Thats allowed. If you don't get the meaning or agree with it. Thats allowed. You are entitled to an opinion on anything. Thats allowed. But to try and suggest somehow it prevents moving on is a misinformation. That cause should never be forgotten. It was just. It may not be Celtic related. But if its a common thing with section of celtic support and its not illegal then your opinion aint any more important that the people who sing it. And how do you know the players don't enjoy the atmosphere generated when its sung with gusto.
You want to suggest some highly offensive suggestions thats your right. But to suggest your opinions which aren't that well thought out are worth attention and somehow the majority view is strange egotistical viewpoint.
And even if the majority of the fans don't want people singing songs they don't particularly like, unless there is a much more legitimate reason for outlawing the song than the nihilistic viewpoint your opinions allude to then since they aren't illegal and enjoyed by a a section of the support and give them strong voice of unity under a just cause, then I will defend anyones right to sing a song they enjoy singing. Singing songs of glorying in oppression or injustice should be outlawed by modern society. Singing songs about murder or unjustified rebellion should be outlawed. But again that would require proper education with virtuous reasoning.
In fact if you don't rate history why do you even have any opinion on anything? Why not just take up meditation and live in the moment letting the peepo treat you like a sub species who are there to be their slave.
History is very important.
Moving on takes more than tokenism
And every suggestion you passed as modern leads to oppression.
I will defend the right of anyone to sing broad black trimmer anywhere.
Its just and pure.
Your tokenism is not just.
But i will defend your right to express your opinion perhaps I might need to do it with a gun in my holster one day.
I hope not.
The only thing in your opinion i agree on is it takes both sides to compromise after addressing past injustice.
Until the past is properly addressed the compromise is not legitimate and moving on into future without clear understanding of history is unsatisfactory.
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All very admirable, TET.
When has the past EVER been addressed properly and where exactly?
Also, WTF has BBB got to do with the vast majority of Celtic supporters - in terms of actually giving a toss in terms of supporting Celtic.
Personal belief, most find it embarrassing and I include history scholars in my assumption (*Note Personal Belief)
TET
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Why should it be outlawed?
Give legitimate reasons.
Most?
You know exactly what BBB has got to do with majority of Celtic supporters.
What does a song have to do with Supporting Celtic got to do with banning it?
Should they will be coming down the road be banned from scotland games?
Should swing low sweet chariot be banned from England games?
Your personal belief is most find it embrarassing? Even if that was true why should that be reason to ban the song.
Should always look on the bright side of life be banned?
For its grand old team to play for. That might embarasses some people. It might even be disputed by some people who don't support Celtic should it be banned?
I know lots of history scholars. Why would their embarssement be reason to ban a song.
Now in your case i can understand why you might not like the song. Can understand your reason for maybe even getting the boak when you hear it.
But what right does that have to people who don't get boak and enjoy the song for whatever reason?
Opinions are fine
But unless they breach virtue or law they should not be banned even if they trigger embarrassment.
Thats not a legitimate reason for outlawing a song.
If someone wants to sing Little miss muffet at the game then thats his right.
What right does anyone have to say shut up mate your embarassing yourself. Strange example i know. But what Im looking for is legitimate reasons for having that opinion.
Does it offend someone?
Is that a good enough reason to have it blocked.
Where do you draw the line.
What constitutes the right too decide a song should be banned if it breaches no law or virtue?
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