BenLynch29
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Who? Or is it a what?
In the cold light of day
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Lubos left peg
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If people want to be offended by Irish songs it's because they either don't know or don't care about British history as whole. They hear songs and automatically think "terrorists sympathizers". Then your told about all the innocent people the IRA killed. When you ask how many innocent people in Ireland were killed there is no answer back. Collateral damage when the brits are killing people....if there wasn't an IRA innocent people wouldn't die we are told. If the brits didn't have soldiers kicking in doors and interning people. Or stood back as loyalist burned houses then there would be no need for the IRA. Ask the the offended people if they have heard of Bombay street. They wont have.
Lubos left peg
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Should we not raise cash for the Palestinian children and families who have been forcibly moved from the homes Ben?? I'm sure that offended a lot of people. Fuck the offended. I'd rather stand up for something I believed in that stay quiet in the fear of offending the WASPs of the United Kingdom
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kelly
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But we should reflect a little bit on this and ask ourselves if it’s wise to glorify the IRA and their history if it means that we’re going to offend a large percentage of society
Pish
Want us to sit at the back of the bus , what next stop wearing green and take the tricolour down ,your perception seems to be that all supporters glorify the IRA and there history
And they dared to call me a terrorist
As for the large percentage of society here's a news flash they are hidden bigots fk them
You should have tried going through a checkpoint during the troubles see if you would have the same view
Pish
Want us to sit at the back of the bus , what next stop wearing green and take the tricolour down ,your perception seems to be that all supporters glorify the IRA and there history
And they dared to call me a terrorist
As for the large percentage of society here's a news flash they are hidden bigots fk them
You should have tried going through a checkpoint during the troubles see if you would have the same view
michael duffy
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no problems Ben,i'm still mulling over a thoughtful response to your post,just thought i'd throw in some examples of how experience colours our perceptions,views and actions
a wise man once said;
Is there for honest Poverty
That hings his head, an' a' that;
The coward slave-we pass him by,
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an' a' that.
Our toils obscure an' a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The Man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an' a that;
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine;
A Man's a Man for a' that:
For a' that, and a' that,
Their tinsel show, an' a' that;
The honest man, tho' e'er sae poor,
Is king o' men for a' that.
Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that:
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that:
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an' a' that;
But an honest man's abon his might,
Gude faith, he maunna fa' that!
For a' that, an' a' that,
Their dignities an' a' that;
The pith o' sense, an' pride o' worth,
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's coming yet for a' that,
That Man to Man, the world o'er,
Shall brothers be for a' that.
That hings his head, an' a' that;
The coward slave-we pass him by,
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an' a' that.
Our toils obscure an' a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The Man's the gowd for a' that.
What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an' a that;
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine;
A Man's a Man for a' that:
For a' that, and a' that,
Their tinsel show, an' a' that;
The honest man, tho' e'er sae poor,
Is king o' men for a' that.
Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that:
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that:
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.
A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquis, duke, an' a' that;
But an honest man's abon his might,
Gude faith, he maunna fa' that!
For a' that, an' a' that,
Their dignities an' a' that;
The pith o' sense, an' pride o' worth,
Are higher rank than a' that.
Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's coming yet for a' that,
That Man to Man, the world o'er,
Shall brothers be for a' that.
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Maria
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Lubos left peg
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So we are clear. I don't condone the killing of any innocent person. By anyone...brits...IRA....UDA.
But if invading soldiers were to kick my door in. Take my dad away. Shoot by brother. Beat up my family members you are fucking right I'd grab a gun and fight for my country and my families freedom. It's very easy to sit in the UK and the states and condemn people and call them terrosrists. It's very easy to do that when it's our soldiers invading countries and massacring whole communities of people. The Brits have been doing it for a lot longer than the US but your boys are fair trying hard to catch up.
But if invading soldiers were to kick my door in. Take my dad away. Shoot by brother. Beat up my family members you are fucking right I'd grab a gun and fight for my country and my families freedom. It's very easy to sit in the UK and the states and condemn people and call them terrosrists. It's very easy to do that when it's our soldiers invading countries and massacring whole communities of people. The Brits have been doing it for a lot longer than the US but your boys are fair trying hard to catch up.
boab1916
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M
Maria
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Maybe ignorance but too many squiff posting for me.
Im out. No point we have nada in common on our thinking here.
Not saying anything about you more tome would be needed n a cant be arsed
I think its best speaking to people who do not run down the supporters i love
HH
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kelly
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where am i running down supporters?Maybe ignorance but too many squiff posting for me.
Im out. No point we have nada in common on our thinking here.
Not saying anything about you more tome would be needed n a cant be arsed
I think its best speaking to people who do not run down the supporters i love
HH
M
Maria
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Not you kelly. Ben. His previous post about our supporters burning the boozer without facts and the automatic thinking of the smsm who cant hide sevvie bigotry and badness so must highlight that we all have bampots we’re all the same.
Never have i seen a celtic fan the aggressor and not being funny but ive been to a shed loada games.
Years n years worth.
Then this banging on about antons favourite subject stop celtic fans singing what they like.
I thought americans bang the democracy drum a bit louder eh?
Apparantly not for the soap box occupant with a waggy finger.
Is the Orange Order all white Protestant or is it just anyone who hates the Catholic Church, all it stands for and all who are part of it? I would have thought it is a broad collection of narrow minded anti-Catholics and, as such, calling someone like Kris Boyd an orange bastard is not sectarian because it does not specifically insult the Protestant religion. I suspect some jewish and some muslim and some other religions may be in the slurry that is the Orange Order.
On the other hand, the seething mass of hatred that gathers in Hummel tops and sings and chants en-masse about "fenian bastards" and being "up to [their] knees in fenian blood" are most certainly being sectarian as they are just taking a blunderbuss to the Catholic religion.
Lubos left peg
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Well said. Most orangemen or the fans of the orange order are not religious at all. Most the zombie bastard barely understand the protestant religion. It is a pure hatred of Catholics that drives them
HH Neil ??
JamSam67
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America like the UK called Nelson Mandela a Terrorist. Ghandi wasn’t liked by the politicos of Britain but loved by the Ordinary people when they found out what he stood for.
You say terrorists I say freedom fighters.
It’s easy to safely sit in your home or homes and criticise anyone fighting for the right to live a free person. It’s harder to do it when the whole of the right wing media press are telling you your the Enemy Within this happened to the Miners 84/85. And it’s happening now in Venezuela where the country is being sent back to the Stone Age by American imperialism on the back of harsh sanctions by the Clown in Chief Donald where’s your hairdo.
Been a pape, Fenian bastard, all my life. Know what it’s a badge of honour to me. What I don’t like is hate for hates sake.
I don’t hate Prods, or Orangemen. I despise religious Zealots.
I am an Athiest remember going on Hols with ma grunda to Ireland when I was a wean asked him to tell me what was green white and gold on some of the headstones in the graveyards and why some had Union Jacks.
Religion son religion they died over it, fighting each other. He fought the 2nd war was part of DDay. He fought fascism.
Yes sing songs of Freedom but don’t throw coins or flares it’s not the Celtic Way.
HH????????
You say terrorists I say freedom fighters.
It’s easy to safely sit in your home or homes and criticise anyone fighting for the right to live a free person. It’s harder to do it when the whole of the right wing media press are telling you your the Enemy Within this happened to the Miners 84/85. And it’s happening now in Venezuela where the country is being sent back to the Stone Age by American imperialism on the back of harsh sanctions by the Clown in Chief Donald where’s your hairdo.
Been a pape, Fenian bastard, all my life. Know what it’s a badge of honour to me. What I don’t like is hate for hates sake.
I don’t hate Prods, or Orangemen. I despise religious Zealots.
I am an Athiest remember going on Hols with ma grunda to Ireland when I was a wean asked him to tell me what was green white and gold on some of the headstones in the graveyards and why some had Union Jacks.
Religion son religion they died over it, fighting each other. He fought the 2nd war was part of DDay. He fought fascism.
Yes sing songs of Freedom but don’t throw coins or flares it’s not the Celtic Way.
HH
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M
Maria
Guest
There is only the requirement of them going to church ONCE A YEAR
Sure sounds like a religion. Ooft.
My top today tells me its religion but i dont auto assume its religious coz of the brand ffs
I would add that whilst calling Kris Boyd a "fat cunt" or a "fat bastard" may an expression that could cause offence to some (for example, Kris Boyd's mother), he is certainly fat and we are unsure of his origin so the expression "fat bastard" is technically justifiable.
M
Maria
Guest
America like the UK called Nelson Mandela a Terrorist. Ghandi wasn’t liked by the politicos of Britain but loved by the Ordinary people when they found out what he stood for.
You say terrorists I say freedom fighters.
It’s easy to safely sit in your home or homes and criticise anyone fighting for the right to live a free person. It’s harder to do it when the whole of the right wing media press are telling you your the Enemy Within this happened to the Miners 84/85. And it’s happening now in Venezuela where the country is being sent back to the Stone Age by American imperialism on the back of harsh sanctions by the Clown in Chief Donald where’s your hairdo.
Been a pape, Fenian bastard, all my life. Know what it’s a badge of honour to me. What I don’t like is hate for hates sake.
I don’t hate Prods, or Orangemen. I despise religious Zealots.
I am an Athiest remember going on Hols with ma grunda to Ireland when I was a wean asked him to tell me what was green white and gold on some of the headstones in the graveyards and why some had Union Jacks.
Religion son religion they died over it, fighting each other. He fought the 2nd war was part of DDay. He fought fascism.
Yes sing songs of Freedom but don’t throw coins or flares it’s not the Celtic Way.
HH
I certainly wouldnt give them tramps the means to resurrect a third immitation, soz unlike you, i’d throw halfers ??
lcafiero
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Going to have to part ways with you here a bit, Ben. You're my countryman, but you're a little off-base here.
Whoa there, sport. Let's get a tighter grip on your horses. First, it's not "racist" for a few reasons, primarily because racism begins with one race designating itself as superior to another. You may want to substitute "oppression" for "racism," under which the Irish have clearly suffered historically. To carry out acts of oppression, a privileged people (e.g., whites, whether British or American) must have power and privilege. There has never been a time in Anglo-Saxon and American history when a race other than white has had power and privilege over another—whether it's in the case of African-Americans in the U.S. or the British over the Irish.
I would agree that it is important to direct anger and hurt at the institution of oppression and not people in particular But I am not willing to give up the right to take a blow, or repeated blows, from an oppressor without fighting back.
When you hear people singing anti-American songs or anti-American chants, do you take immediate offence without thinking about why they're singing/chanting, or do you say, "Wait, maybe they have a point," when you hear it? The Irish have a legitimate beef with the British, who for centuries have been oppressors (a mantle picked up by our own country, sadly, in the 19th and 20th centuries), and if you're saying hurt feelings decades (or even centuries) later equal spilled blood of ancestors, then I would ask you to rethink that.
Further, I think it's unfortunate that Celtic has clamped down on IRA chants and slogans, but that's me.
Oh, on George Washington: By 18th century standards, the Continental Army practiced terrorist tactics to win independence, and they are "celebrated" for it. The IRA, arguably, was not as successful against their oppressors, but they still deserve recognition, whether in chants or songs or stories.
It brings up the point about what brings one to Celtic. For some, it's geography. For some, it's history. It could be for a multiplicity of reasons, and the first point of the club is not "seeking alliances" or "finding common ground."
And I get it: For many, supporting a club is as simple as beginning with the kickoff on the pitch and ending with the final whistle.
Celtic is so much more than that. At least to me.
I could support anyone, but I choose to support Celtic because of its history as a team borne of the generosity and charity of Brother Walfrid. As a team with a following that was not afraid to own its heritage and speak its mind. As a team that seems inclusive rather than exclusive, but does not tolerate being put under foot. It is, indeed, a club like no other.
So does it bother me that some in the Green Brigade wave Palestinian flags at matches? Hell, no. I welcome it, because like the Irish, the Palestinians have been held down by their oppressors for decades.
Does it bother me that fans chant "up the Ra" at games? Hell, no. What really bothers me is that it's now apparently verboten at games.
So we're going to have to agree to disagree here, Ben. Welcoming further discussion on this.
Whoa there, sport. Let's get a tighter grip on your horses. First, it's not "racist" for a few reasons, primarily because racism begins with one race designating itself as superior to another. You may want to substitute "oppression" for "racism," under which the Irish have clearly suffered historically. To carry out acts of oppression, a privileged people (e.g., whites, whether British or American) must have power and privilege. There has never been a time in Anglo-Saxon and American history when a race other than white has had power and privilege over another—whether it's in the case of African-Americans in the U.S. or the British over the Irish.
I would agree that it is important to direct anger and hurt at the institution of oppression and not people in particular But I am not willing to give up the right to take a blow, or repeated blows, from an oppressor without fighting back.
When you hear people singing anti-American songs or anti-American chants, do you take immediate offence without thinking about why they're singing/chanting, or do you say, "Wait, maybe they have a point," when you hear it? The Irish have a legitimate beef with the British, who for centuries have been oppressors (a mantle picked up by our own country, sadly, in the 19th and 20th centuries), and if you're saying hurt feelings decades (or even centuries) later equal spilled blood of ancestors, then I would ask you to rethink that.
Further, I think it's unfortunate that Celtic has clamped down on IRA chants and slogans, but that's me.
Oh, on George Washington: By 18th century standards, the Continental Army practiced terrorist tactics to win independence, and they are "celebrated" for it. The IRA, arguably, was not as successful against their oppressors, but they still deserve recognition, whether in chants or songs or stories.
It brings up the point about what brings one to Celtic. For some, it's geography. For some, it's history. It could be for a multiplicity of reasons, and the first point of the club is not "seeking alliances" or "finding common ground."
And I get it: For many, supporting a club is as simple as beginning with the kickoff on the pitch and ending with the final whistle.
Celtic is so much more than that. At least to me.
I could support anyone, but I choose to support Celtic because of its history as a team borne of the generosity and charity of Brother Walfrid. As a team with a following that was not afraid to own its heritage and speak its mind. As a team that seems inclusive rather than exclusive, but does not tolerate being put under foot. It is, indeed, a club like no other.
So does it bother me that some in the Green Brigade wave Palestinian flags at matches? Hell, no. I welcome it, because like the Irish, the Palestinians have been held down by their oppressors for decades.
Does it bother me that fans chant "up the Ra" at games? Hell, no. What really bothers me is that it's now apparently verboten at games.
So we're going to have to agree to disagree here, Ben. Welcoming further discussion on this.
