Res 12 - Have We Been Betrayed?

Imatim could you copy paste from SC, on page 2 at 7.53 today, statement from BRTH update to were things stand.
 
BROGAN ROGAN TREVINO AND HOGAN on 26TH OCTOBER 2019 2:49 PM
Dessybhoy

You won’t but what many shareholders don’t realise is that if you are a shareholder and you don’t physically click on the link and actually vote, then your votes will be cast WITH THE BOARD BY PROXY.

So any shareholder who does nothing is, in effect, voting with the board.

On the resolution itself the position should be made clear;

Celtic have never said that there is nothing to investigate.

Celtic have previously called upon the SFA to conduct a full inquiry into all aspects of Governance surrounding 2011/2012 — The SFA refused.

The SPFL similarly called upon the SFA to conduct a full inquiry — The SFA refused.

The SFA themselves said that an internal inquiry was needed into the licensing issues we raised in 2013 and the former CEO publicly stated that he felt the SFA had been misled.

That SFA inquiry led SFA Officers to the conclusion that they had enough evidence to bring disciplinary charges which they did.

However, an independent judicial panel ruled that the SFA cannot legally prosecute those charges before an independent judicial panel appointed by the SFA and recommended that the SFA refer the entire matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

That was almost 18 months ago and no such action has been taken.

The Celtic Board had previously advised that the best thing to do was to leave all of this to the SFA and reported to us that there was no reason for the SFA not to refer the matter to CAS.

The CEO of the SFA previously announced that a decision ON WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE THE MATTER TO CAS – would be made by Christmas 2019. — which means that it is not certain that the matter will be referred to CAS at all.

The original Resolution asked Celtic to refer this matter to UEFA.

Resolution lawyers have been in direct touch with UEFA and they advised that they could not correspond with anyone other than a member club and effectively invited Celtic to refer the matter to them.

The SFA said they could not refer the matter to UEFA for timebar reasons, but confimred they would respond to and comply with any enquiry from UEFA – IN THE INTERIM THEY CONDUCTED THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION AND BROUGHT THEIR OWN CHARGES BUT HAVE BEEN JUDGED AS INCOMPETENT IN SO DOING.

Accordingly, Celtic, the SFA, the SPFL and UEFA have all indicated that they are willing to look at the issues raised and the SFA have actually brought disciplinary charges in relation to the same but can’t progress them for legal reasons.

Back in 2013 the resolutioners pointed out that there was eveidence that would lead to charges but suggested to Celtic that the SFA were not the competent body to investigate and deal with that evidence or any rule breaches.

Celtic disagreed and suggested the matter be left to the SFA. That is till their position despite the ruling of the independent judicial panel saying that the SFA are not competent to deal with this matter.

THIS NOW MEANS THAT IN RELATION TO THE CHARGES OF BREACHING BOTH SFA AND UEFA RULES, THERE IS A JUDICIAL DECISION WHICH SAYS THOSE RULES AND THEIR ALLEGED BREACH CANNOT BE LEGALLY DETERMINED BY THE SFA.

Accordingly someone has to conduct the hearing and we suggest referring the matter to UEFA whereas the board, for reasons best known to them, want to stick with the SFA who have already been deemed incompetent by their own judicial panel.

We don’t know why the board don’t want to refer this to UEFA, nor why they think it is not “in the best interests of the club” to do so.

Every shareholder in the club is a part owner – and surely the board of directors should be making it clear to everyone with a financial interest as to why they wish to allow this matter to be dealt with by an incompetent body instead of the European Governing Body whose rules and licences are under discussion.

We are not asking Celtic to commence any proceedings, or dig about for evidence, or to start anything.

We are only asking them to respond positively to UEFA’s invitation at a time when the SFA have been ruled incompetent and have not take any action on the recommendation to go to CAS.

Equally, further questions have to be asked as how the SFA managed to get themselves into a legal position where a judicial panel has ruled that they cannot conduct hearings or prosecute supposed breaches of their own rules or the rules of UEFA for whom they are a licensing authority?

The SFA have been deemed legally and professionally incompetent and we cannot figure out on what basis a very experienced and highly professional Celtic board can justify its continued trust in such an organisation.

It should also be added that since the instigation of the internal SFA inquiry which led to the ruling that the SFA cannot perform a disciplinary function here, the CEO (Stewart Reagan) – The Footballing and Corporate Compliance officer (Andrew MacKinlay) and the legal compliance officer (Tony McGlennan) who brought the charges have all left the SFA and moved on leaving this dreadful mess behind.

Either some or all of these three must have known that the SFA could not proceed legally or they were totally and utterly incompetent and did not know their own rules and procedures.

If the SFA were incompetent then why should the board of CELTIC PLC continue to support such incompetence?

Or might it be the case that Stewart Reagan and others have played the Celtic PLC BOARD like a fiddle knowing full well that their disciplinary proceedings would never be deemed competent – in which case our board look like fools.

The current resolution is merely a request to refer the entire matter to someone competent and there is no good reason that we know of not to do so.

But the board are against it for whatever reason.

Personally, I think this does nothing for Celtic commercially as serious investors, sponsors and advertisers would like to know that the business of football in Scotland, and the business theatre win which Celtic PLC is forced to operate is properly run by a competent Governing body.

Alas a judical panel has determined that the SFA can’t enforce its own rules or those of UEFA – and we are all free to make of that what we will.

It is a mickey mouse, two bit organisation, which reeks of incompetence from head to foot.
DESSY
 
kelly said:
BROGAN ROGAN TREVINO AND HOGAN on 26TH OCTOBER 2019 2:49 PM
Dessybhoy

You won’t but what many shareholders don’t realise is that if you are a shareholder and you don’t physically click on the link and actually vote, then your votes will be cast WITH THE BOARD BY PROXY.

So any shareholder who does nothing is, in effect, voting with the board.

On the resolution itself the position should be made clear;

Celtic have never said that there is nothing to investigate.

Celtic have previously called upon the SFA to conduct a full inquiry into all aspects of Governance surrounding 2011/2012 — The SFA refused.

The SPFL similarly called upon the SFA to conduct a full inquiry — The SFA refused.

The SFA themselves said that an internal inquiry was needed into the licensing issues we raised in 2013 and the former CEO publicly stated that he felt the SFA had been misled.

That SFA inquiry led SFA Officers to the conclusion that they had enough evidence to bring disciplinary charges which they did.

However, an independent judicial panel ruled that the SFA cannot legally prosecute those charges before an independent judicial panel appointed by the SFA and recommended that the SFA refer the entire matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

That was almost 18 months ago and no such action has been taken.

The Celtic Board had previously advised that the best thing to do was to leave all of this to the SFA and reported to us that there was no reason for the SFA not to refer the matter to CAS.

The CEO of the SFA previously announced that a decision ON WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE THE MATTER TO CAS – would be made by Christmas 2019. — which means that it is not certain that the matter will be referred to CAS at all.

The original Resolution asked Celtic to refer this matter to UEFA.

Resolution lawyers have been in direct touch with UEFA and they advised that they could not correspond with anyone other than a member club and effectively invited Celtic to refer the matter to them.

The SFA said they could not refer the matter to UEFA for timebar reasons, but confimred they would respond to and comply with any enquiry from UEFA – IN THE INTERIM THEY CONDUCTED THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION AND BROUGHT THEIR OWN CHARGES BUT HAVE BEEN JUDGED AS INCOMPETENT IN SO DOING.

Accordingly, Celtic, the SFA, the SPFL and UEFA have all indicated that they are willing to look at the issues raised and the SFA have actually brought disciplinary charges in relation to the same but can’t progress them for legal reasons.

Back in 2013 the resolutioners pointed out that there was eveidence that would lead to charges but suggested to Celtic that the SFA were not the competent body to investigate and deal with that evidence or any rule breaches.

Celtic disagreed and suggested the matter be left to the SFA. That is till their position despite the ruling of the independent judicial panel saying that the SFA are not competent to deal with this matter.

THIS NOW MEANS THAT IN RELATION TO THE CHARGES OF BREACHING BOTH SFA AND UEFA RULES, THERE IS A JUDICIAL DECISION WHICH SAYS THOSE RULES AND THEIR ALLEGED BREACH CANNOT BE LEGALLY DETERMINED BY THE SFA.

Accordingly someone has to conduct the hearing and we suggest referring the matter to UEFA whereas the board, for reasons best known to them, want to stick with the SFA who have already been deemed incompetent by their own judicial panel.

We don’t know why the board don’t want to refer this to UEFA, nor why they think it is not “in the best interests of the club” to do so.

Every shareholder in the club is a part owner – and surely the board of directors should be making it clear to everyone with a financial interest as to why they wish to allow this matter to be dealt with by an incompetent body instead of the European Governing Body whose rules and licences are under discussion.

We are not asking Celtic to commence any proceedings, or dig about for evidence, or to start anything.

We are only asking them to respond positively to UEFA’s invitation at a time when the SFA have been ruled incompetent and have not take any action on the recommendation to go to CAS.

Equally, further questions have to be asked as how the SFA managed to get themselves into a legal position where a judicial panel has ruled that they cannot conduct hearings or prosecute supposed breaches of their own rules or the rules of UEFA for whom they are a licensing authority?

The SFA have been deemed legally and professionally incompetent and we cannot figure out on what basis a very experienced and highly professional Celtic board can justify its continued trust in such an organisation.

It should also be added that since the instigation of the internal SFA inquiry which led to the ruling that the SFA cannot perform a disciplinary function here, the CEO (Stewart Reagan) – The Footballing and Corporate Compliance officer (Andrew MacKinlay) and the legal compliance officer (Tony McGlennan) who brought the charges have all left the SFA and moved on leaving this dreadful mess behind.

Either some or all of these three must have known that the SFA could not proceed legally or they were totally and utterly incompetent and did not know their own rules and procedures.

If the SFA were incompetent then why should the board of CELTIC PLC continue to support such incompetence?

Or might it be the case that Stewart Reagan and others have played the Celtic PLC BOARD like a fiddle knowing full well that their disciplinary proceedings would never be deemed competent – in which case our board look like fools.

The current resolution is merely a request to refer the entire matter to someone competent and there is no good reason that we know of not to do so.

But the board are against it for whatever reason.

Personally, I think this does nothing for Celtic commercially as serious investors, sponsors and advertisers would like to know that the business of football in Scotland, and the business theatre win which Celtic PLC is forced to operate is properly run by a competent Governing body.

Alas a judical panel has determined that the SFA can’t enforce its own rules or those of UEFA – and we are all free to make of that what we will.

It is a mickey mouse, two bit organisation, which reeks of incompetence from head to foot.
DESSY
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Thanks Kelly, cannae cut and paste on this bliddy tablet
 
So it has come to this .
People with influence within OUR OWN FOOTBALL CLUB are telling us ,move on timmy ,nothing to see here .

IMO the only conclusion I can draw from this betrayal from the very people who should have been front and centre fighting to get to the truth of what went on in 2011 is that they knew exactly what was being done and were more than happy to allow it .

if my opinion is correct (and it,s only an opinion ) then I have to ask myself ,why? would they be willing to do such a thing .

What if....... back in 2011 celtic fc where privy to the very fact that ragers 1872 were in such a grave financial situation that without the chance of , say a £30m bounty from CL money they would fold .

What if.......... they made the business decision that they needed a ragers 1872 to survive as a rival and to keep a 60,000 seat stadium as full as possible .

Would that be in the interests of the PLC shareholders and 8 yrs later would it be the the PLC shareholders interests to avoid that decision to be known .I would think in almost all PLCs the decision would be quite simple ,if it brings in more revenue in the long term then it makes perfect sense .
The problem Celtic FOOTBALL club PLC has , is that it encouraged a significant amount of emotional investors into handing over their hard earned money ,money most thought they would never see back
Now some of those emotional investors are looking for the truth in this whole sorry saga.

What started as a request for the truth in the way the SFA adhered to the rules of our game has now turned to what part did our OWN Club play in all this .

The trouble is the new club are in financial straights too and it's looking likely that only a £30m CL bounty will keep THEM afloat and the same people of influence are still running our club ,so what will they do if faced with a similar dilemma to 2011 .

May I remind everyone that the only way for a Scottish team to get a chance to acquire a CL bounty of £30m plus is to WIN THE SPFL .

IS THAT IN THE INTERESTS OF OUR BLOCK VOTE HOLDERS IN OUR PLC .
 
fergusslayedtheblues said:
So it has come to this .
People with influence within OUR OWN FOOTBALL CLUB are telling us ,move on timmy ,nothing to see here .

IMO the only conclusion I can draw from this betrayal from the very people who should have been front and centre fighting to get to the truth of what went on in 2011 is that they knew exactly what was being done and were more than happy to allow it .

if my opinion is correct (and it,s only an opinion ) then I have to ask myself ,why? would they be willing to do such a thing .

What if....... back in 2011 celtic fc where privy to the very fact that ragers 1872 were in such a grave financial situation that without the chance of , say a £30m bounty from CL money they would fold .

What if.......... they made the business decision that they needed a ragers 1872 to survive as a rival and to keep a 60,000 seat stadium as full as possible .

Would that be in the interests of the PLC shareholders and 8 yrs later would it be the the PLC shareholders interests to avoid that decision to be known .I would think in almost all PLCs the decision would be quite simple ,if it brings in more revenue in the long term then it makes perfect sense .
The problem Celtic FOOTBALL club PLC has , is that it encouraged a significant amount of emotional investors into handing over their hard earned money ,money most thought they would never see back
Now some of those emotional investors are looking for the truth in this whole sorry saga.

What started as a request for the truth in the way the SFA adhered to the rules of our game has now turned to what part did our OWN Club play in all this .

The trouble is the new club are in financial straights too and it's looking likely that only a £30m CL bounty will keep THEM afloat and the same people of influence are still running our club ,so what will they do if faced with a similar dilemma to 2011 .

May I remind everyone that the only way for a Scottish team to get a chance to acquire a CL bounty of £30m plus is to WIN THE SPFL .

IS THAT IN THE INTERESTS OF OUR BLOCK VOTE HOLDERS IN OUR PLC .
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Methinks we very well may be about to go to war with our own Board.....the Board will most probably shut down any debate on this matter at the AGM.....if that happens I can’t see this ending well.....my gut is telling me we may have been sold up the river...
 
The Board does not consider it to be in the best interests of the Company to take the steps proposed by the resolution. The Board recommends that you vote against this resolution.

Its also interesting that Celtic board chose the Company rather than club in its double talk wording.

Almost as if they are suggesting Company and club are separate entities, which is the crux of the secret 5 way agreement.

It may well be financially better for Company

But if that comes at the price of financial skullduggery then its no longer a sporting business.

The fact the secret 5 way agreement exists at all without open transparency totally contradicts the claims of the board.


Lawell should be voted off the board for inaction and duplicitous communications and lack of transparent governance that he claims is necessary to move forward.


I have supported his actions due to lack of evidence in the past.

But for me, he is not open transparent or communicating vital information

And thats against his own supposed protocols for effective governance.

Let alone the fact he is a company man rather than in interest of club or fans of club or willing to be open and transparent with the life blood of his Company.

Took too long Peter, and now you made your voice clear as to why you have done nothing and said nothing.
 
When the Supreme Court decided once and for all that the Rangers EBT schemes were unlawful the self appointed supporters leaders were apparently all set to challenge the Lord Nimmo Smith findings - which assumed that the EBTs were lawful - at a Judicial Review. There was a some activity and the promise of crowd funding etc when necessary. Then late one Friday night and not even on a Celtic site, the news that this had been binned was published.
Late on a Friday night eh? Sound familiar?
The LNS decision therefore was never challenged. A advocat apparently gave an opinion that it would be unsuccessful and a handful if supporters took the decision to throw in the towel on behalf of a Celtic support, that to this day still don't really know that it happened. The old Friday night tactics worked a treat.
How many of these 'Celtic fans leaders' are close or even very close to the Celtic CEO?
 
Look at this from end October last year on The Celtic Star, then add the £2m bonus paid at Christmas and another year's salary and you have a tidy sum of money...

thecelticstar.com

'Peter Lawwell has earned £11,320,000 at Celtic,' Price of Football | The Celtic Star

PRICE OF FOOTBALL has tweeted this regarding Celtic CEO Peter Lawwell's earnings while in his current role at the club. "Since joining Celtic in October 2003 CEO Peter Lawwell has earned £11
thecelticstar.com thecelticstar.com
 
Winning Captains Bolingoli said:
When the Supreme Court decided once and for all that the Rangers EBT schemes were unlawful the self appointed supporters leaders were apparently all set to challenge the Lord Nimmo Smith findings - which assumed that the EBTs were lawful - at a Judicial Review. There was a some activity and the promise of crowd funding etc when necessary. Then late one Friday night and not even on a Celtic site, the news that this had been binned was published.
Late on a Friday night eh? Sound familiar?
The LNS decision therefore was never challenged. A advocat apparently gave an opinion that it would be unsuccessful and a handful if supporters took the decision to throw in the towel on behalf of a Celtic support, that to this day still don't really know that it happened. The old Friday night tactics worked a treat.
How many of these 'Celtic fans leaders' are close or even very close to the Celtic CEO?
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Friday night great time to bury bad news! As always there's more to this than meets the eye IMHO, IF our board are in any way complicit in trying to get this off the Agenda I for 1 will never forgive them. Fuck that if the boot was on the other foot do you think for a second we wouldn't be crucified? 😤
 
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