Champions League Qualifier - FC Midtjylland

Who will progress to the next round of the Champions League

  • Celtic

    Votes: 27 75.0%

  • Midtjylland

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Total voters
    36
Tarzan Trump said:
second best team in denmark
second best team in scotland (albet with a little help from their friends in the craft.

Both teams supposedly trying to get the holy grail of 60 million CL of which neither are very likely to get it, imo

Their best players are poached because they can get offered better wages in EPL
Our best players can be poached

Both teams are much bigger than brentford imo

yet brentford who have no chance ever of the supposed holy grail of CL money can easily afford to multiply celtic and midtchland wages can pay 10+ million easily and probably wont even give these players much game time

And thats why football is fecked imo

And still the cry was need that CL money to compete

even with it
you cant compete with EPL wages
And your club will always be in flux coz you cant afford the inflation that epl creates in markey with the arbitrary payment from tv

Both those teams tonight are a mess imo

And brentford seems to be able to outpay CL teams

games done imo

on top of that the constant drivel from msm and noone willing to call it out in msm

just keep the lamb and bs on same plate
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Ten years ago, Brentford were playing in League 2 in front of crowds of under 4,000, Matthew Benham a (genuine) Brentford fan lent the club around 500k when nearly bust. Bees United a fans group owned the club just like Hearts fans did and huns didn't.
Benham then offered to loan £1million a year for five years, without a catch and interest fee. I know as I was a member and subscriber to Bees United and season ticket holder(long story).
After two years Bees United fans asked him to buy our shares out. By that stage he'd already invested 20million (four Barkas) of his own spread betting company in the club, with no catch. All he said was believe his systems could transfer from spread betting to football. Since then he's earned 100million for the Bees without transfer fees, simply invsetment, modernised the club, built a new stadium and reached the Premier league the right way. He also bought Midtjylland a small club at the time and he's done the same there. Now they are pretty much a feeder club to Brentford but there is a seperation that has allowed Midtjylland to remain fairly independent.
You are right 100% about the absurdity of EPL riches, but I moved to London in 2007(I think) at that time Brentford would have been happy to take a Celtic player on loan now they buy one of our best layers and put our structure to shame. Our CEO has now admitted he's looking to Brentford for inspiration, something i've advocated for sometime.
There is a genuine absurdity to EPL football but Brentford had done things gradually and with a vision and planning to get there. They refused to overstretch, sold players when they could have gambled and ensured the progress was sutainable. It's a hell of a story, it really is. I kinda wish however I hadn't sold my shares so cheaply :)
 
Bellshill bhoy said:
Take away the bitton red card and barkas being scared of the ball and there was a lot of positives for the away game and the season, especially once we get the injured players and the new players playing, it I was a hun, (which im most certainly not) I’d be worried, the huns aren’t gonna get a “free” run at the title this year, HH 🍀💚
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surley hes no gonni play barkas in the return...that gives me the fear
 
Bridie Bhoy said:
A lot of these youngsters could have/should have been broken into the first team last season when we were allowed 5 subs and especially late on when the title was already gone and the manager's favourites were playing shite!
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That for me Bridie Bhoy show,s J.K was a Lenny clone,neither of them had the bottle to blood these Bhoys,Murray,s performance tonight I thought was exceptional for an 18 year old in Europe..

HH.
 
Niall J said:
Ten years ago, Brentford were playing in League 2 in front of crowds of under 4,000, Matthew Benham a (genuine) Brentford fan lent the club around 500k when nearly bust. Bees United a fans group owned the club just like Hearts fans did and huns didn't.
Benham then offered to loan £1million a year for five years, without a catch and interest fee. I know as I was a member and subscriber to Bees United and season ticket holder(long story).
After two years Bees United fans asked him to buy our shares out. By that stage he'd already invested 20million (four Barkas) of his own spread betting company in the club, with no catch. All he said was believe his systems could transfer from spread betting to football. Since then he's earned 100million for the Bees without transfer fees, simply invsetment, modernised the club, built a new stadium and reached the Premier league the right way. He also bought Midtjylland a small club at the time and he's done the same there. Now they are pretty much a feeder club to Brentford but there is a seperation that has allowed Midtjylland to remain fairly independent.
You are right 100% about the absurdity of EPL riches, but I moved to London in 2007(I think) at that time Brentford would have been happy to take a Celtic player on loan now they buy one of our best layers and put our structure to shame. Our CEO has now admitted he's looking to Brentford for inspiration, something i've advocated for sometime.
There is a genuine absurdity to EPL football but Brentford had done things gradually and with a vision and planning to get there. They refused to overstretch, sold players when they could have gambled and ensured the progress was sutainable. It's a hell of a story, it really is. I kinda wish however I hadn't sold my shares so cheaply :)
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Interesting read
Thanks for posting that
A solid business plan which is reaping rewards
 
DILLIGAF said:
Interesting read
Thanks for posting that
A solid business plan which is reaping rewards
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No worries Dill. A club who will never touch Celtic but became very close to my heart. Tough working class community in middle of typical London gentrification. When Benham turned up i thought shit this is Brentford's Romanov. I've met Benham briefly an h'es a bit, well like the guy who did engineering at your school, dorky even, but a football fan who bought his club. He had to overcome doubters, so instead of forcing the issue he proved he could do it first then asked for a free run at a controlling interest. He bought into himself and his algorithms and he's now selling his scouting system to other clubs. Mad!
 
Played a lot better than I thought we might plenty of energy and speed undone by our own Bitton cannot be trusted anymore guys a liability for all his experience Barkas ? Lost for words about him strolling the game and that and yes of course keepers make one mistake and its fatal. Had hoped and looked like with the fans behind him he might come onto a game who plays in Denmark? Have a feeling listening to Anges " was a good strike nonsense" itll be Barkas, understand he doesn't want to throw him under the bus but a good strike? A good cross yes catch it or punch it Barkas. In all the young players did well and how we didnt score 3 or 4 idk. Will be tough in Denmark as usual but weve the beating of this side at least HH
 
Niall J said:
Ten years ago, Brentford were playing in League 2 in front of crowds of under 4,000, Matthew Benham a (genuine) Brentford fan lent the club around 500k when nearly bust. Bees United a fans group owned the club just like Hearts fans did and huns didn't.
Benham then offered to loan £1million a year for five years, without a catch and interest fee. I know as I was a member and subscriber to Bees United and season ticket holder(long story).
After two years Bees United fans asked him to buy our shares out. By that stage he'd already invested 20million (four Barkas) of his own spread betting company in the club, with no catch. All he said was believe his systems could transfer from spread betting to football. Since then he's earned 100million for the Bees without transfer fees, simply invsetment, modernised the club, built a new stadium and reached the Premier league the right way. He also bought Midtjylland a small club at the time and he's done the same there. Now they are pretty much a feeder club to Brentford but there is a seperation that has allowed Midtjylland to remain fairly independent.
You are right 100% about the absurdity of EPL riches, but I moved to London in 2007(I think) at that time Brentford would have been happy to take a Celtic player on loan now they buy one of our best layers and put our structure to shame. Our CEO has now admitted he's looking to Brentford for inspiration, something i've advocated for sometime.
There is a genuine absurdity to EPL football but Brentford had done things gradually and with a vision and planning to get there. They refused to overstretch, sold players when they could have gambled and ensured the progress was sutainable. It's a hell of a story, it really is. I kinda wish however I hadn't sold my shares so cheaply :)
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They arent expected to reach CL

therefore their model allows them to buy cheap sell on players they can get at cheap price but suspect can sell from their inflated market at profit

its much easier to hold that model if your part of the structure getting subsidies at expense of non tv club cabal clubs

The fact he selling players between two clubs he owns is suspect imo

The point im trying to make is they can buy CL players due to 100+million from sky every year

that far ouitweighs a treble and europa league run

and that before they get any actual football related income

It will only get worse

The model at celtic cannot ever be same as brentford

1 brentford can buy cheap and play against best teams in world thuis making their players better in the bargain

2 Celtic cant do that playing some of the worst top flight teams in europe week in week out

3 The standard of replacements will always be diminished in short term and if you do make em better even brentfords can offer better wages

the miracle you see at brentford is no miracle

its good business practise helped on by massive subsidies and opportunity to play best teams in europe

but it was good business rather than astute football gifts that made it possioble

And it seems a wee help from a feeder club

all part of the sickness destroying the actual talent and replacing it with medocrity for billions

broke

nothing against brentford or their model its the sickness and the subsidy that benefits their club at expense of many top clubs across europe that sickens me


but still msm go on about chasing 60 million cl as if its a lot

its buttons to the sky tv cabal clubs

and you will get smaller every year while the balance is ignored

scottish fans pay just as much as brentford fans to watch sky

but brentford et al . get the benefits
 
Winter said:
Played a lot better than I thought we might plenty of energy and speed undone by our own Bitton cannot be trusted anymore guys a liability for all his experience Barkas ? Lost for words about him strolling the game and that and yes of course keepers make one mistake and its fatal. Had hoped and looked like with the fans behind him he might come onto a game who plays in Denmark? Have a feeling listening to Anges " was a good strike nonsense" itll be Barkas, understand he doesn't want to throw him under the bus but a good strike? A good cross yes catch it or punch it Barkas. In all the young players did well and how we didnt score 3 or 4 idk. Will be tough in Denmark as usual but weve the beating of this side at least HH
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He did say he hadn't seen a replay so just tried to downplay it in the interview. I think after he sees it he will be telling Barkas something different behind closed doors.

I was delighted with the youngsters and it was good to see Christie more like the excellent player we enjoyed a couple of years ago. If he is prepared to knuckle down to be a team player again, stop the ridiculous "shoot on sight" nonsense and tell his Dad to shut his puss then I would be happy for him to stay.
 
Bridie Bhoy said:
He did say he hadn't seen a replay so just tried to downplay it in the interview. I think after he sees it he will be telling Barkas something different behind closed doors.

I was delighted with the youngsters and it was good to see Christie more like the excellent player we enjoyed a couple of years ago. If he is prepared to knuckle down to be a team player again, stop the ridiculous "shoot on sight" nonsense and tell his Dad to shut his puss then I would be happy for him to stay.
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Had the misfortune of having to listen to the game on radio Scotland, Overall pleased with the result, as a lifelong fan I was very nervous of this game, I've a couple of points to make, 1 nobody is beating down our door to sign Christie, is it really in ihis best interests to go elsewhere?, last year wasn't exactly his best, why not have an adult chat with him, suggest he signs up for a couple of years with a big payrise, if someone comes in for him not a problem he can go, it gives both parties a booster, he can perform and maybe get to a bigger club than lower EPL, and we might get a hungrier player who wants to earn big bucks, 2, serious conversations have to take place about the professionalism of our players, Bitton might have cost us a place in the champions league, we need to be able to keep calm at times of stress. I don't want robots, I want players who will remember the gaffers words and count to 10 b4 they react. 3 lastly radio Scotlands coverage of the game was average, technically poor, with the commentator, striving to get the pundits to put pressure on AP, poor all round. HH.
 
Tarzan Trump said:
They arent expected to reach CL- They weren't expected to get out of league one 10 years ago.

therefore their model allows them to buy cheap sell on players they can get at cheap price but suspect can sell from their inflated market at profit - as every team strives for, but some strategise better than others. They eventually sold players to the same markets Celtic have.

its much easier to hold that model if your part of the structure getting subsidies at expense of non tv club cabal clubs - Brentford's structure started when the fans (Bees United) bought the club from administrators. They have only now reached the levels you talk of, in May after a long journey that shouldn't be so dismissed imo. There was an element whilst in the Championship but not significant ,their moel was based on player trading as with any looking to grow.

The fact he selling players between two clubs he owns is suspect imo - I think Brentford fans worried about that too, I know I did. There was no sign of that, however this season there has been one strange transfer that would make me consider the relationship questionable. That said The Danes fans seem content. I agree though I'd have my concerns. With one proviso, Benham said he wanted to see if his 'system' could work in Europe. At that stage he had litle chance of doing that with Brentford, reverting to you first question, he may now.

The point im trying to make is they can buy CL players due to 100+million from sky every year - They can now. Haven't until now

that far ouitweighs a treble and europa league run - it does but then Brentford have never had three/four rounds to get CL money and if they did I'm sure they'd have been better prepared. It's not all about the money, a big part is preperation. Brentford could drop out of the riches of EPL in May. Celtic had a one horse race to a three/four round run at £30mill a season for ten years. We failed to be prepared too often. rarely money was the issue, more the surprise it seemed that CL qualifiers were as fixed on the calandar at Xmas

and that before they get any actual football related income

It will only get worse

The model at celtic cannot ever be same as brentford. No football model is the same for any club, it needs to be tailored you can be inspired but you need to incorprate originality

1 brentford can buy cheap and play against best teams in world thuis making their players better in the bargain So can Celtic if they maximise euro opportunities

2 Celtic cant do that playing some of the worst top flight teams in europe week in week out Yes they can. they have a Champions league route we underplay. Our league is actually adventageous to acheiveing that consistently.

3 The standard of replacements will always be diminished in short term and if you do make em better even brentfords can offer better wages. Not sure I follow why would replacemnts diminish if you ensure european football every season?

the miracle you see at brentford is no miracle Yup no miracle. Just a plan

its good business practise helped on by massive subsidies and opportunity to play best teams in europe Good business plan was my point. Brentford haven't even started yet, we;ve had years of missed opportunitoes in Europe, not to mention x 6 attendances in comparison to Brentford until season due to start.

but it was good business rather than astute football gifts that made it possioble Don't you need both? They had good business and astute football deals all the way up he pyramid and luck and judgement of course

And it seems a wee help from a feeder club ou guessed at that didn't you? however, possibly that will be the case now, I think as City group have done but on smaller scale they've tried to use the Danes to get round permit issues for foreign players, aside from that the Danes have had more traffic their way in terms of players

all part of the sickness destroying the actual talent and replacing it with medocrity for billions


broke

nothing against brentford or their model its the sickness and the subsidy that benefits their club at expense of many top clubs across europe that sickens me


but still msm go on about chasing 60 million cl as if its a lot

its buttons to the sky tv cabal clubs

and you will get smaller every year while the balance is ignored

scottish fans pay just as much as brentford fans to watch sky

but brentford et al . get the benefits Got a bit lost at the end there but yes the weighting of football finances sucks and now Brentford have got their they'll have to suffer the slings and arrows of being part of that cabal. I know a lot of their fans were happy to remain in the Championship for that very reason and won't mind if they drop don either, but for the time being the club dwarfed by Chelseas arsenal and Spurs have made it. It's a shite set up but for guys who followed that club it's that one season playing in the elite that they haven't done for 70 odd years. Sometiemes it's not all about the money(somewhere in there there is still a game of football)
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I don't question the EPL financial falsehood. I simply was adding some context when it came to Brentford's journey.
 
Niall J said:
I don't question the EPL financial falsehood. I simply was adding some context when it came to Brentford's journey.
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But its an easy journey in context of the arbitrary hand outs they get from the rigged system


They look like a miracle club with great plan but if you spend wisely at a club with no expectations then you can make a mint

And thats wht i suspect its all about

Creating a ponzi style cash cow through inflation that destroys all competition outside the ponzi scheme

And ultimately it will destroy all football in no time unless its supported by quantitive easing since that scammers claim they are too big to die

just reset the debts and off you go again

wee

And the scam clubs who benefit most get people saying oh look whats possible with good business

But its only possible at clubs who are not expected to compete at sharp end but not only recieve arbitrary cash windfalls but get to buy from extrernal markets at instant arbitrage prices


in any other markets it would be called out by authorities

but in football they point to the 60 million squirrel of cl and say overspend and you will grow


no no no

not only do worst team in epl get 100million from sky its after all your bills are paid

the 60 million cl income doesa not include security costs police costs bonuses for staff bonuses for players and the demand for new players who are better than what you cant actually afford at epl market prices


But none talks about the business properly

they cherry pick success stories or perceieved success and then missmatch that success onto what different markets should be able to do with sound investments


but its all layered by the amount you can pay in wages

and if your in epl you get 100m from sky minimum some get 400+ million

thats more than any non sky funded league can get with CL and good treble success

And therein lies the success of the non expectation clubs

as soon as your expected then you need to pay higher level wages or miss out on best players

And although the guys at brentford have done well its arbitrarily funded by sky, if it wasnt brentford it would be some other wee english club punching abive their weight getting the big bucks through arbirasry allocation

and not only does it make their team styronger it makes their entire league stronger

and the clubs below their top teams all grow arbitrarily as big clubs outside the cabal get smaller despite having big tv pull but diminishing every year


And still people point out, goaded on by msm that 60 million is big news

so go get it

by spending more than it generates while the brentfords get the plaudits for good business despite 100million windfall not including costs

The criminals in the game all make fortunes at the expense of the arbitrary payments

And fact you say brentford have feeder club in denmark top trier should really be investigated by financial watch dogs but i doubt it will

because who wants to fix the game

not the blokes runniong it for sure
 
Tarzan Trump said:
second best team in denmark
second best team in scotland (albet with a little help from their friends in the craft.

Both teams supposedly trying to get the holy grail of 60 million CL of which neither are very likely to get it, imo

Their best players are poached because they can get offered better wages in EPL
Our best players can be poached

Both teams are much bigger than brentford imo

yet brentford who have no chance ever of the supposed holy grail of CL money can easily afford to multiply celtic and midtchland wages can pay 10+ million easily and probably wont even give these players much game time

And thats why football is fecked imo

And still the cry was need that CL money to compete

even with it
you cant compete with EPL wages
And your club will always be in flux coz you cant afford the inflation that epl creates in markey with the arbitrary payment from tv

Both those teams tonight are a mess imo

And brentford seems to be able to outpay CL teams

games done imo

on top of that the constant drivel from msm and noone willing to call it out in msm

just keep the lamb and bs on same plate
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Somebody's in a mood did u fall out wae wee jane🙊🤣
 
What a performance bet not many people were expecting that tonight I know I wasn't,thought the young guys did great, and at last there was a buzz about the place only let down was Barkas and Bitton, the keeper should have saved it and Nir should have kept the head. The full-backs tried their hearts out but they just don't have it at this level get the right players and we could be going places under Ange I am really starting to get a wee bit hopeful for this season. BTW. Calmac and Corpus were outstanding
 
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Bad result tonight for us. Bitton has let the team down again , time to get rid of him. Young bhoys excellent tonight esp Welsh and Murray. Now there is a pairing at CB if ever I saw one. Got to do better next week. . But I have high expectations for the young bhoys?☘️☘️
 
Ally said:
Bad result tonight for us. Bitton has let the team down again , time to get rid of him. Young bhoys excellent tonight esp Welsh and Murray. Now there is a pairing at CB if ever I saw one. Got to do better next week. . But I have high expectations for the young bhoys?☘️☘️
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I would play they 2 aswell until the Swedish guy can be used but Welsh looks like he's coming on with the help of getting these games and young Murray looks a rite good prospect aswell we must use him for next couple of weeks also gets him couple of real games will do the boy world of good then the 2 of then can learn aff starfelt
 
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