“It smacked of hypocrisy” – Nicola Sturgeon’s Outrageous Celtic Comments, Neil Lennon Out… Standing

[boab1916]

I'd have no problem with an independent Scotland Boab if i honestly thought we could walk on our own two feet and thrive. The problem for me is i don't.

By the way Stevie the same fears you have were the same fears the Blacks had in the USA and South Africa that they could not rise and prosper, better to have an income secured than take the risk than have an entreprueral approach, thats what holds us back.

If …
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with wornout tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings – nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run –
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man my son!

 

[Hoopy427]

If your comfy in the current setup thats fine, not a problem thats your vote, me i would vote change all day long, would sleep in the hills rather than live a life under the tories who lets be honest will be in forever, they are both conservative and labour we so that with the better together and under Blair, we saw a real genuine man been tarred a symetic by his own party back stabbers. So aye i will take change all day long.

But whats the change you're looking for Boab? Modern Labour, tories, snp are all the same, so you'd prefer old socialist Labour who systematically destroyed British industry? I'm sure it wasnt their intention but they achieved it .

As I've said before if you want a better future its down to the individual to get off their arse and achieve it, politicians, no matter how much they promise won't deliver it.

 

[boab1916]

But whats the change you're looking for Boab? Modern Labour, tories, snp are all the same, so you'd prefer old socialist Labour who systematically destroyed British industry? I'm sure it wasnt their intention but they achieved it .

As I've said before if you want a better future its down to the individual to get off their arse and achieve it, politicians, no matter how much they promise won't deliver it.

No I am a capitalist, socialism is capitalism and anyone who does not recognise that is looking at the wrong movie. For anyone who invests his money and creates work for anyone so theycan thrive also is a capitalist socialist, he works and invests to create a share for all others, Socialism is a brush to tar people with.

 

[Glasbhoy81]

Who exactly said nationalism is one step away from fascism? I'm an Irish nationalist. Does that mean I'm a fascist?

Nationalism is the bedrock that all fascist movements have build themselves on.
Would you not say your an Irish republican rather than an Irish nationalist

 

[Glasbhoy81]

Says who Stevie

The EU said we wouldn't be able to join up straight away and bojo said he would reject another ref

 

[Glasbhoy81]

Another thought, if Scotland was to pull the independence rabbit out the hat would we pay back the pandemic costs? The furlough, job support schemes, business loans, vaccine costs all that shit thats kept us going or would it be a case of fuck you see you later?

A case of fuck you see you later.
They still haven't spend as much on the pandemic compared to what they gave the bankers in 2008.

 

[The Deadner]

Nationalism is the bedrock that all fascist movements have build themselves on.
Would you not say your an Irish republican rather than an Irish nationalist

I am both an Irish republican and an Irish nationalist. Fascist I am not.

 

[Smelltheg-love]

But whats the change you're looking for Boab? Modern Labour, tories, snp are all the same, so you'd prefer old socialist Labour who systematically destroyed British industry? I'm sure it wasnt their intention but they achieved it .

As I've said before if you want a better future its down to the individual to get off their arse and achieve it, politicians, no matter how much they promise won't deliver it.

if you think that its a waste of time your well within your right to have that outlook
your debating with people who want change
you dont see the point but others do
thats what democracy is

 

[Smelltheg-love]

Nationalism is the bedrock that all fascist movements have build themselves on.
Would you not say your an Irish republican rather than an Irish nationalist

to borrow a phrase

 

[Hoopy427]

if you think that its a waste of time your well within your right to have that outlook
your debating with people who want change
you dont see the point but others do
thats what democracy is

I'm debating with people who seem unsure of the change they seek, but they assume change of any sort must be a good thing.
But thanks for permitting my right to speak my mind

 

[Glasbhoy81]

I am both an Irish republican and an Irish nationalist. Fascist I am not.

Although fascism is a notoriously difficult ideology to define, many 20th-century fascist movements shared several characteristics. First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined. Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces. Jews, immigrants, leftists, and other groups became useful scapegoats. Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.

To unify a country, fascist movements propagated extreme nationalism.

Now the SNP are blaming the economic anxieties on Westminster and redirect popular anger at Westminster, giving it "its not us, its the tories". A lot of "popular anger" the SNP have the power to change, they would rather not take the responsibility and instead use that anger to help push for independence

 

[Smelltheg-love]

I'm debating with people who seem unsure of the change they seek, but they assume change of any sort must be a good thing.
But thanks for permitting my right to speak my mind

its clear the change that we debating seek,
i and many others seek independence although i speak for myself
your opinion is the systems fucked, all politicians are cunts and your not far away from spot on
If you don't see the point in change fine, thats your opinion
But in a round about way your debating stance is cos you dont see the point neither should we
thats not an argument thats spreading your apathy

 

[Hoopy427]

Although fascism is a notoriously difficult ideology to define, many 20th-century fascist movements shared several characteristics. First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined. Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces. Jews, immigrants, leftists, and other groups became useful scapegoats. Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.

To unify a country, fascist movements propagated extreme nationalism.

Now the SNP are blaming the economic anxieties on Westminster and redirect popular anger at Westminster, giving it "its not us, its the tories". A lot of "popular anger" the SNP have the power to change, they would rather not take the responsibility and instead use that anger to help push for independence

Nationalisim historically is generally small minded and insular, occasionally its gone far further and created hatred, devision and tyranny.
Either way its rarely a good thing.

 

[The Deadner]

Although fascism is a notoriously difficult ideology to define, many 20th-century fascist movements shared several characteristics. First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined. Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces. Jews, immigrants, leftists, and other groups became useful scapegoats. Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.

To unify a country, fascist movements propagated extreme nationalism.

Now the SNP are blaming the economic anxieties on Westminster and redirect popular anger at Westminster, giving it "its not us, its the tories". A lot of "popular anger" the SNP have the power to change, they would rather not take the responsibility and instead use that anger to help push for independence

So basically you're saying any Scottish person who wants rid of Westminsters stranglehold on their country, are fascists? I'm not Scottish and from what I've read in here is that the majority on here couldn't give a fuck about the snp, but they are a means to an end. They will vote for them until they get their independence and then fuck them. It's called boxing clever. Fascism though.... you're away in the head.

 

[Hoopy427]

its clear the change that we debating seek,
i and many others seek independence although i speak for myself
your opinion is the systems fucked, all politicians are cunts and your not far away from spot on
If you don't see the point in change fine, thats your opinion
But in a round about way your debating stance is cos you dont see the point neither should we
thats not an argument thats spreading your apathy

OK it'll make it a super simple question, do I think an independent Scotland will make my life better? No I don't.

 

[The Deadner]

Nationalisim historically is generally small minded and insular, occasionally its gone far further and created hatred, devision and tyranny.
Either way its rarely a good thing.

There was tyranny in Ireland for long enough. Funny it wasn't coming from the nationalists.

 

[Smelltheg-love]

So basically you're saying any Scottish person who wants rid of Westminsters stranglehold on their country, are fascists? I'm not Scottish and from what I've read in here is that the majority on here couldn't give a fuck about the snp, but they are a means to an end. They will vote for them until they get their independence and then fuck them. It's called boxing clever. Fascism though.... you're away in the head.

scotland seeking home rule is nationalism or fascism
to me thats just fucking sensible not any of the above

 

[Smelltheg-love]

OK it'll make it a super simple question, do I think an independent Scotland will make my life better? No I don't.

i knew that answer before tonight

 

[Smelltheg-love]

scotland seeking home rule is nationalism or fascism
to me thats just fucking sensible not any of the above

the only reason you have nationalism is cos another country is running your country

 

[Hoopy427]

So basically you're saying any Scottish person who wants rid of Westminsters stranglehold on their country, are fascists? I'm not Scottish and from what I've read in here is that the majority on here couldn't give a fuck about the snp, but they are a means to an end. They will vote for them until they get their independence and then fuck them. It's called boxing clever. Fascism though.... you're away in the head.

Fucking brilliant, so use the snp as a means to get independence, then vote for Labour or tories to run the independent country? Yeah this sounds like a great revolution, big changes ahead